so, then why did you lead me to believe you were considering it?
i knew you wouldn't/couldn't. i just felt bad that you thought i was dissing your work, like i thought it wasn't any good. see? that is what i didn't like about the way the thing turned out. i wanted to make everrybody feel like their work was INCLUDED in a masterpiece! but, it was done so poorly that everybody felt hurt instead.
i still have most of those posters you gave me. in fact, i only contributed the ones that were duplicated (you sent me batches at least twice.) i think your guys' work is brilliant and some of the best most amazing poster work i've encountered in years. i really had no intention of hurting your feelings. you've never been anything but sweet to me. yannick, too.
yes you did. i had to sweet talk you out of it. i always thought it was so funny that of all the people we printed over, you and frank were the ones who pitched the biggest fit. you two came from such extremely different viewpoints. but you both consider yourselves artists inside. that's what hurt you two so much. that your "art" would be desicrated.
actually, i've probably done more collab than any other artist on this sight. all my career i've helped guys out and even launched great careers with collaboration. but it always focusses on them, the illustrator (or photographer or artist or whatever). i'm a designer. i support the ideas presented and when you work with an illustrator, they bring idea in their image. i can't change that. so, i make their work look great. like i said, i boosted many a career over the years. i doubt many of them actually realize it. they would get all this praise for the great poster "they" did and then get all the future work. they'd basically go on aping what i did with their image in our collab and that would be that. they often don't even see what i did for them. many times repeatedly.
(jermaine was already well established before we collaborated and it didn't work that way at all. i'm not including present company in that story.)
i worked as an art director for years. i know all about working with people - especially crazy artists and no money - to get great results. it's what i do. now i primarily work with found crap and make that look great the same way i make illustration look great. it's what i do.
i just did a coloring book project that made the illustrator look like a genius. it turned out magnificent. how much was me and how much was him, you'll never know. but he'll promote the shit out of it to get more work. me, i'll probably never show it to anybody again. c'mon, show a coloring book to a potential client? right. but, n illustrator showing a coloring book? looks really cool!
yeah, it was a mess. i think the big "x" (which was the only solution i could come up with fast to cover the stuff underneath and still carry the bear image we had) was a lousy choice. it said "cancellation" or "censorship". that was not my intent.
then jermaine's cute little label "casualties" (people still sell them on ebay under that name for big dollars) sorta cemented the icing on the cake. it all became a dis on all the posters underneath. and THAT would naturally piss everyone off. when they got pissed i began to run with it, try to turn it all into a good natured joke, but it horrified me at the time. getting threatened by lawsuits was never the result i intended at all. nobody threatened jermaine, just me.
basically, i was the bad cop again, so i got saddled with all of the blame and ill feelings. jermaine came off as the sensitive nice guy even though his decisons were the ones that dragged into the territory that caused problems. my original idea in my mind's eye would have been cool and not offending to anyone.
oh well. collaborations are always more than just working on an image together. the intent and execution and promotion is also part of it and you need to be on top of all of it. or you become a patsy. a scapegoat. i'm good at that role because i'm such a sourpuss.