one last thing - the bands find it an honor if kozik does a poster for one of their shows. it's sort of a right of passage - sort of moving up to the bigtime when kozik does you. that's what the bands gets out of it.
max - go back and read my post. i know chantry-bashing is time-honored practice on this site, but go back and read the damn post. i'm SHARING KNOWLEDGE and i'm SHARING EXPERIENCE. i'm not passing judgement, i'm describing how the history changed. i'm not complaining, i'm describing what happened. i call it a business, because that i what i was trained to think it was and it was how the world was at that point. that's all. i don't really understand why you guys think i'm such an asshole for simple sharing with you.
vibe - i don't think of DESIGN as a drawing medium - i think of it as an assemblage medium. i think of illustration as a drawing medium. you don't draw design, you compose design. but you do draw illustrations and type and pictures etc. etc. see the difference for me? it's how i approach this stuff and it's what makes my stuff so interesting to people. i'm not saying it's the only way, it's just my way, and i like it that way. i like drawing, but i never have a need for it - i used to be a great sketch artist - i was even a darn good cartoonist (i started off as a kid trying to draw the green goblin and frankenstein comics), but i've lost those specific skills as i approached my work from this other angle. but i mantained the skills of composition, proportion, figure-ground relationship, etc. etc. i learned how to think with my hands through drawing.
frank (kozik) DOES re-draw these images - rather thoroughly. he makes them look like the source, but they are largely re-drawn and re-interpereted through that process.
art "mr." chantry
ps - oh, and people buy kozik because he's prolific, colorful, funny, intelligent, snotty, available, and cuz he's kozik.
vibe - as i understand it, kozik does work for free, but under complex circumstances. he checks out shows around the country and chooses either shows he likes, or shows with hot bands (depending). he then approaches the promoter/club and says "i'll send you 100 posters to do with as you wish , sell, post, burn 'em - don't care. i'll print up a larger run and sell those through my distribution network" clubs say - you betcha (free kozik posters? wow!). kozik prints up 500 more to sell - and his network can and does sell them. he makes money, club gets cool posters, bands don't have a say because it's technically a gray area between product and advertising. i understand he does occaisionally do reprints on hot sellers.
frank essentially changed rock posters forever. and he's brilliant. before kozik clubs contacted artists to do poster/flyers and they were very cheap affairs printed in one or two colors - often the promoters or bands did them by themselves to save money (there was no money). that was the era i grew up in and is now the 'classic' punk flyer era. since kozik, rock posters have become multi-color art print collectibles sold as limited editions to fans and collectors as art or as souvenirs. very dramatic change. after kozik no one would pay me to do posters anymore - i had to do them for free (or incredibly cheap) and then the clubs/bands/whoever would sell them instead of posting them. the result really killed off my feeble income. i had to switch to packaging (thank you estrus) in order to pay for the posters i loved to make. because anybody in seattle could pull them off the wall for free and the clubs/dealers sold them outside seattle, i had no market left. besides, i couldn't afford to do multi-colors posters (i still had to pay for printing if the club wouldn't pop for it - thank god for brian at blt giving me breaks all those years) and i could only afford to keep about ten of each of my posters - that's why they are so hard to find for collectors - i have none to sell. it's amazing how that all worked out. kozik, in effect, killed off his competition through his marketing strategy.he was brilliant, but he really changed they this stuff is done.
i give up. i tried to create an interesting discussion about design/philosophy and all i get is "i like it" or "i hate it". i was right when i said yer a buncha ignorant boobs. good luck, yer gonna need it. see you in the welfare lines.