uncle chuck - sorry i missed you, too. i would loved to have met you.
now, i want to disagree with a tiny part of what you said. the band technically gets screwed, too. they control their name, and anybody that sells product with their name is violating their rights. put it on a t-shirt (hell, put your own gig poster on a t-shirt) and you are open to paying royalties and usage to every name on the shirt. even frank won't do that. but if you take the venue/date off one of our posters we're selling a "nirvana" poster (or whatever) in the oodles of units without paying a cent to the folks who own the rights to that name. put the venue/place back on and we're selling an advertisment - an artifact - of the show. a huge grey area. granted many of the bands (most, actually) are pleased as punch to get a kozik (or whoever) poster to sell, and the promotion is good, but technically we are ripping them off. i saw so many bands get screwed in seattle (by EVERYBODY) that i made a personal vow not to take advantage of their naivete. i wouldn't even use free tickets unless i had to. i almost always paid, because at least a tiny bit of that money went to the bands who were the focal point of EVERYONES (including ours) activities.
so, i disagree there. for what it's worth. people who sell posters for product are technically bootleggers in my opinion. that's the way i see it.
markd - hi! how've ya been? good to see yer name again.
vibe - welcome to the real world. as horrible as it sounds, the music industry in all of its permutations is about EXPLOITATION. i once tried to sue a company that totally screwed me, and i found that to win, i'd have to prove that getting screwed by the music industry was not standard industry practise. can you believe that? i lost my suit right there. the industry precident is screwing everything that moves. the idea that promoters and clubs screw everybody is so standardized that "pay to play" is accepted as normal. why shouldn't we be treated as different? 'pay to play' is firmly entrenched in our biz. guys like kozik were brilliant in that he figured it out early and took advantage of "the game." and he's damn good and won. still wins. i'm surprised he hasn't opened up a reatil shop yet. he's amazing.
vibe - don't shocked - this is america. we're living under corporate fascists (look at the guys around W) and we're no longer citizens, we're consumers. it's sad, but not news.
agreed. and i'll try not to get so touchy about what happens on this site. i'm sorta new to this computer stuff and this is the only chatroom thing i've ever articipated in. nuances of speech get confused in email a lot, and i may easily have misinterpereted what you said. if so, i apologize.
let's stop this now. i know you didn't say any unkind words to me. but your post in the conversation was vicious, and it pissed me off. i have an unfortunate habit (shockingly) of fighting for other people's rights. sure, it didn't affect me, but you're saying i shouldn't defend vibe?
do you understand my point? it's not that i'm picking a fight, i'm telling you to back down or i'm going to rb you.
i don't know, for some reason i've gotten real touchy on this site. can't really figure out why...
look, you were picking a fight over picky lttle crap like you thought it was cool. hey leave that work to people who've already done themselves in, like me. as the poster dominatrix sez - be nice. i'm really tired of being targeted and seeing people like vibe and niles and anybody who might defend an idea being slaughtered just for fun.
so, i'm sorry if i came on strong, but you pissed me off, and i let you know it.