phill - oh, i know. but like everybody here on this site, we all want to think this stuff is more than that - that it aspires to real "art". take the idea to an extreme... what if picasso had to put 37 bad logos on one of his paintings because the guy who commissioned it was being backed by all these corporations? how would he feel? would he even do it? what would we think of his "art" then?
this is an extreme example, but deep down in our hearts, we all feel this way when we do our posters.
i'd also like to point out that i never get paid to put logos on any posters - the clients (hopefully) get paid. that 37 logo poster was a benefit project. it all just ends up being free advertising for the corporations, a way to associate themselves with a community or an 'art piece' without having to really do anything. it's sort of offensive.
logos are an endless problem, especially sponsor logos. those logos stay on "my" posters for years after everything else is forgotten. it's not fair. every time i show a poster to somebody, even decades later, there's this ugly little radio station logo or doc martin logo fucking up the whole design. the record i had for logos on ONE poster was 37 LOGOS! now, if you don't think that ruined any efforts i tried to make it a good poster...
and those 37 logos will follow me on my "artwork" long after i'm in the grave.
johnny shame - as per your 'challenge' and all that - you really have no idea what i'm about or what i'm saying, do you? i started by simply pointing out that i find fault with posters on this site that i consider to be not really be posters at all. i chose yours as an example because, like most st. louis posters, they seem to be private art pieces not intended for public consumption. i see no challenge in it, and i don't think they actually meet the definition of posters (or flyers). they are just sorta 'fake' posters to my mind. i've spent almost 30 years toiling with no budgets, no printing, no "art galleries" (huh?), no help, no thanks, no money, etc. etc. to promote this (as i see it) 'language form' into something that can be effctive for the bands and the fans and the business heads. i've always seen my efforts as in the interest of expanding community (often only to my own exploitation). at the same time i've hoped to bring it up to a new an exciting level of visual art - hopefully on par with rock posters of the past. it's cost me an entire lifetime's earnings to follow this passion.
when i see 'fake' posters put up on this site as legimate pieces of intended public discourse knowing full well that that the only people who will ever see them is a small group of gigposter gadflies, well, it just sorta makes all of this lifelong effort seem in vain.
that's all. i really don't much care about you and your lame little posters beyond that. go forth and multiply.