you've got some attitude. and that's why i don't get to do posters in this town. i hit on lots of promoters and clubs and everybody treated me like i was some sort of joke. i was used to that from seattle days, so st. louis 'hip' community being too cool for school was no real shock. it just struck me as the ususal elitist rocknroll crap.
for you to condemn me first for not doing any posters 'because i'm too good for local bands", and then to condemn me for 'not trying hard enough to get work' from local hipsters that think they're too good for me is the height of provincial arrogance.
you just want to trash me. ok, enjoy. or you can make an effort. i've done my time in the music scene. do yours, then get back to me and we'll compare notes. i'll bet they'll be the same.
seripop - you don't know st. louis. the only people that go to rock shows are middle class hipster white kids that ususally attend a nearby college (and male). the buses are full of poor black people. that makes riding the bus icky and undesirable. the white people in the counties don't care to take the risk of being around them 'dangerous' folk who ride the bus. hell, they won't even come downtown because it scares their whitey asses. and you sure don't want those 'bus people' at your shows! it DANGEROUS!
brainded - i'm just telling you what worked in seattle. i see nothing working in st. louis. if you want to get all huffy and pissed-off about my comments, it's your right. we're both entitled to our assorted opinions. if you don't like my opinions and advice based on 30 years of beating my head against the same wall you are, then fine. your call.
but calling me an ass is just being a prick. hee, hee.
ok, so i don't go drive over to the hi-pointe and walk inside and check out the wall to see what's coming. does anybody? i check the rft and the poster/flyers on the wall. i walk the u-city loop all the time. i have never seen one hi-pointe poster. in fact i've never seen any posters except little flyers for lost dogs, messages and hippie banjo music.
so, if you don't post a poster in public, i doesn't matter what it sez, or what the picture is. it just exists in a silent limbo, speaking to no-one.
go out and set up a circuit and regularly poster the town. follow the bus lines. you'll be amazed what it could do for this city. then people could really honestly raise a ruckus about your poster image, instead of just this website that has a rather fixed personal interest in this stuff. posters are supposed to engage the PUBLIC, not other artists.
i've used that "put the logos at the bottom in a strip and trim it off your copies" technique for years. some problems that develope:
1) sponsors begin to see it as a "ghetto" and resent not having the sponsor logos become an integral part of the design. they often will go to the point of instructing you HOW to use the logo, so they get their 'money's worth'. often they want it above the headline no smaller than 75% of the headline. that virtually makes it another headline - and if it's (as in one case we had) the verizon logo - very ugly with a huge swash above it - it takes up a third of the image area and dominates the design. clients are usually so desperate for the sponsorship that they won't say no. if you protest they dump you and do it themselves, or hire someone else.
2) most copies will end up existing WITH the strip at the bottom, and that is usually an eyesore that ruins the design. nobody will likely ever see it without the strip. and you ALWAYS forget to trim them off anyway.
3) collectors will see the 'trimmed' version as 'damaged' and will actually prefer the 'untrimmed' version as the true design/collectible.
4) still, nobody ever pays YOU (the artist) to put a corporate logo in your artwork. seems to me, as the artist, YOu should be paid for this service, not the client. in the longterm, they'll get much more promotion out of being associated with the art than with the evern. the event and the promoter/client will likely go out of existance in a few years (as will the bands, most likely) and yet the logo still is there being associated with what may actually become a cultural icon. can you imagine a pepsi logo stll hanging on a rick griffin poster? do you realize how much that would STILL be worth in terms of advertising cred to a corporation?
i not talking about the club. i'm talking about all the other logos. perhaps you've not encountered this problem, but someday you will.
as for club logos, i use them if they make some sort of design sense with the rest of the poster. otherwise i write out the club name in a way to fit the design. a club that insists on a logo seems to think that people won't know where (in this case) 'commodore' is in relation to all the other 'commodre' clubs, ya know? how many 'commodore's are there in that city. seems to mee putting the word 'commodore' at the bottom in a cut-out type like the stuff above would have looked a thousand times better, and everybody would NOT get confused as to the location.