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Dead Moon Poster - 3B Tavern, Bellingham - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:35:33
  wait, how did we slip to this image. we were posting in that book thing by decoder.

sorry. this is now officially a total mess.



Dead Moon Poster - 3B Tavern, Bellingham - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:34:17
  my "poster on a tshirt" looked like a tshirt.

if i had ripped the sleeves off and cut off the collar and hem, it would have passed as a poster. as it was, everybody saw a tshirt. period. i show it to people even now and people say, what a nice tshirt. i entered it in design competitions alongside really wild out there work and the judges say, "it's in the wrong category. it's not a poster, it's a tshirt." when i enter the poster on a record, they say, "cool poster!" i don't how many i can try to explain my point, but i can do this all day.

if this book were printed on the open pages inside and nailed to a telephone pole spread eagled, then it would be a poster - a really wild poster, but still fucntioning like what we (as a culture has agreed upon) call a poster.

see my pint? the basic function./cultural definition has of a poster has been lost. it's not just (as ghost would have it) whatever we want to call a poster. we have to AGREE that it's a poster.

and this is a book. no question in my mind.

Dead Moon Poster - 3B Tavern, Bellingham - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:28:43
  jphn a -

because it sort of stealth. it doesn't look like a record. it looks like a poster.

the book looks like a book.

Dead Moon Poster - 3B Tavern, Bellingham - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:27:17
  wow! this thread has exploded. it's about we had a discussion with some sort of substance n gigposters. thanks ghost!

but, where is frank? he needs to come on here and ruin everything with a few choice remarks.

Dead Moon Poster - 3B Tavern, Bellingham - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:25:21
  nobody sees a record, they see a poster. upon close examination, we see that it's printed not on paper but some other thing - a record.

when i look at this book, i see a book. nothing else. just a book. upon close inspection, i see there is an advert printed upon it. unless it's the title, which is what our agreed reality would dictate.

you can push definitions (these guys sure did) but you can't always get the rest to agree upon it as a reality (it's still a book. just like my poster turned out to be a tshirt)

we agree upon our realities.

Decemberists Poster - Emos, Austin - The Decoder Ring Design Concern
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:21:22
  ghost -

i see what you're trying to define, but i go back to what i said in my last post. there has to be a agreed upon definition of art before it can exist. naow, we all agree there is a "god" (excluding all those mad athiests out there), but every single person defines that god slightly differently. and look at the madness that ensues.

if we decided to take a fiction like "god" and accept him as a reality, then it is not considered madness, but reality. it becomes truth.

so, when you defines "art" as "anything an individual wants to call 'art" then you've got no definition, just chaotic madness.

you see this lougie i just hacked up? i call it "art". and i want you to respect it as such, cherish it, admire it and bestow value upon it. i also have this urinal over here...



Decemberists Poster - Emos, Austin - The Decoder Ring Design Concern
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:12:42
  if "art" is only whatever a sole individual thinks is "art", then there is no definition of art and it ceases to exist as a concept.

can you understand that? definition is an agreed upon view of reality.

lily tomlin it a collective hunch. you seem to think you can re-define reality at will, on a whim, with youthful enthusiasm. i see that as a textbook definition of insanity.

"beware! on this path lies madness!" wooooo....!

Decemberists Poster - Emos, Austin - The Decoder Ring Design Concern
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2009-09-16 13:08:57
  ghost -

no. i've printed posters that are functioning real posters on metal, records, plastic, even garbage found on the street. they worked and functioned as real posters. when i printed on a tshirt (or in this example - a book) it stopped functioning as a poster. it's called the "borderline of reality". it stopped being a poster when i actually applied my design to something that already had another cultural definition/function.

it's easy to push a borderline, but it's really hard to change reality.

but, but your reality, i'm at war with, who? you? really? hmmmmm...

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