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Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 09:02:30
  phill -

i don't. i'm only talking about my personal experience her, becaue that is what i know best. that really, honestly doesn't mean that i think it the ONLY experience. it's not an arrogant position, it's a personal position. whay is that so difficult for everybody to understand? i can't talk about your experince, because i don't KNOW it.

mmm - are you comparing this site to a schoolyard?

i had really hoped for much more than that with this place. if that's all this is, then what's the point of it?

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 08:59:20
  standard -

i know that was gentle (even affectionate) humor, but let's be honest. my personality and my person and what you've imagined them to be is totally out of order on this site. character assasination can work in complex and tangenital ways. my personality should NOT be an issue. my ideas and my experience and my thoughts are what's at issue.

if you must knwo, i'm a difficult but good person. i live a life of rather high ideals that has become more of a curse than an asset. i get myself stuck in corners a lot because what i feel and what i say and what i do don't always line up properly.

stangely , it's a lot like you and anybody else on this site or elsewhere.

and THAT's where should be on this site. people, not fantasies.

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 08:52:24
  victor -

my impression of you was that in one thread you trashed me in the most venal way and in the next post you highly compliment my work.

wouldn't you see that as a bit two-faced?

but your honesty and you willingness to talk openly about things without resorting to namecalling (and yes, i've called names, too. and i'm not proud of my anger) is what is needed here.

i think you've done well on this sight and have become a real asset. that's more than i can say for many of the "more important" names here.

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 08:48:28
  mmm -

i would generally agree wit you - most folks on this site are wellintention folks just playing around. jeph is by no means the nasties (although his remarks can be biting and cruel) and phill is nasty but seldom cruel. however, others seems to constantly look for openings to jump in and trash in "humorous" ways. even don rickles feels the need to say "hey it's a joke" afterward. for many folks on the site, these are NOT jokes and really can't be disguised as such.

i think mush would be improved by not calling me fat and old and outof it and psycho and a moron and saying fuck you. those are meant to hurt in the deepest possible way. and, honestly, i don't deserve it any more than jeph or phill or you.

so, i wish it would simply not happen, but i know it won't stop.

i' going to try to coninue being involved in this site, but it's a trial at best. i don't know how many attacks i can take. the pack mentality has to tone down.

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 08:40:04
  ok, now go back and look at what happened in this thread after i mentioned 'watching closely". see what happened?

it's intense and painful to read what those people write. it's awful, really. people seems to ignore the simple fact that we are people here, and i have feelings, too.

so, when anybody would read that sort of remark, it would result in offense. it's SUPPOSED to.

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 08:37:26
  mmm -

but can't you see how dangerous in this medium that sort of "play" can be?

it reminds me of a guy i knew who was very into being jewish and very proud of his heritage. but he always thought it was funny to tell the most awful, rude, disgusting jewish jokes. he always seemed to think it was funny and perfectly ok because he was, after all, jewish. it was like black people calling each other the 'n-word.'

i pulled him aside and told him that i always thought that sort of humor only made it ok for others to use it as well. if you belittle yourself and your unique qualities, other more cruel-intended folks will use it as an opening to vent their worrst intentions.

he thought about for awhile and came back and we talked about it some and he decided i had a poiint. and he stopped making those awful jokes. and everybody in the office was GREATLY relieved.

my pint here is that making rude jokes only makes rudeness ok and then it gets ugly very fast. this medium is fragile and mis-interperetation happens profoundly and quickly.

i'm trying very hard to change my personal style to avoid those problems, but i also feel a deep personal need to take on those who use this forum as a battlefield - particularly those who fashion themselves as 'snipers' and those i see as total frauds. unfortunately, that drags me into their little wars. so i look bad, too.

i would much rather it not start.

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 08:27:54
  victor -

i'm going to assume that you're seriously asking me a question and that you aren't baiting me.

yeah, i taught for over 18 years. it gets into your blood. i enjoy sharing what i know, especially when the people i share it with enjoy it. it's fun and satisfying in ways i don't quite get.

but some peopl on this sight seem to think i'm talking down to them or being arrogant ot pompous or whatever. maybe they shouldn't listen to what i say, then, it seems to me.

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry
art chantrySend art chantry a message 2003-09-15 08:23:48
  jeph -

thanks for that. it's an absolutely PERFECT example of what i'm talking about. that remark was meant to belittle and hurt and was completely unecessary.

THAT's just the beginning of what i'm talking about.

now, that i've pointed out that remark, it will be interesting to watch what begins to happen in this thread (again).

watch carefully. and think.

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