phoondaddy was right. i have a life and it's time i quit wasting my time trying to discuss anything that i see as relevant on this site. it's just tooo hard. i gotta get back to work and quit entertaining the troops.
no more posts on this'n for me. it's all yers, now. have fun!
ciou! (or whatever. i get hungry when i see that word).
i konw what you're trying to get at, and i won't bite. i'm not accusing you of tracing or copying. i'm saying you are lazy in your thinking. you use solutions already exhausted by others with this piece. you are not coming up with your own thinking, you are simply pulling out of a bag o' tricks already mainstreamed by other people. that is almost to the level of decorating and not designing. where's the content, or at least the thought you guys had when you started? a team photo? goofy faces = goofy band? that type you used is a designer attempt to anchor the chaos of the image. why did you do that? it really makes no sense except to make your designer training feel more comfortable, as if the chaos of your own imagery made you nervous and you had to tie it down with some hard angular typography. and why the arrows? they work in everything, so, what't he point of using them here? "when in doubt, use an arrow" is an old joke i even use in my lectures.
do you see what i'm getting at? it's vacuous design elements without intent other than "looking cool. is that all you need in order to be "great'? or is is it only 'adequate'?
it's lazy. no challenge. it just looks cool. design is a tad more than that. and you know what i mean. you've been doing this stuff in too many arenas (you're from rocket design) for too long to not know what i mean.
to begin with, i think the way that the design world uses the term "vernacular" is as a garbage pit for everything that didn't originate in eurpoean or nyc design culture. i think it's a general dis of all of the design on this site, for instance. they think this is merely "vernacular". in fact, it has a long beautiful history with schools of thought and strong and differing philosophies and cultural dialogs and major authors and anonymous contributors of equal importance. to dismiss this as "vernacular" is an insult. i think to dismiss any design as 'vernacular' is blind. and stupid.
but, back to your question - i think you guys are remarkably sophisticated and you borrow ideas from currewnt acting authors and historical sources as well - just like me - just like everybody here.
but, you sorta quit there.
this poster is really an experiment in style appropriation - taken from the oz stuff, seripop, my work, jeff kleinsmith, and even hank trotter - to name but a few. it's interesting but starkly unoriginal and flat in thinking. it's like you guys are just trying to prove how good you are by simply doing and thinking "we can do anything". the results speak otherwise.
i think you guys just don't trust yourselves enough to take the plunge into your own instincts and follow your own thoughts.
try doing a few posters without refernce to anything or anybody else's work. don't look at books or magazines of gigposters or stuff hanging on your wall. just start working and don't look at anything. see what happens to your work. i'll bet after two or three projects, you'll be heading off into an incredible new direction that'll thrill the shit out of you both. and us.