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    Default First print OK but the rest are bad

    I am printing on a painted metal surface using 280 mesh and Nazdar 59000 enamel. The first piece I print is OK but following attempts are way too light. It is almost like the screen gets plugged on the first print.

    The fellow at Nazdar suggested I position my screen about 1/8" above the piece but that didn't help. He also suggested thinning the enamel 10%. That didn't seem to help either.

    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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    flood stroke between pulls. thin enamel a bit more.

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    Spray your screen down with screen opener before you even put ink in the screen. Let it sit for like 30 seconds and wipe it down. Then put your ink in.

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    The ink is too thick, you can thin enamel with turpentine. It should flow like maple syrup. 10% is bullshit, might work with t-shirt ink, but most graphic inks need to be thinned considerably oout of the can. If they have 'mixing varnish' you can add some of that.
    You need to be printing 2-3 prints per minute, don't be standing around admiring the print.
    If you use screen opener, be prepared to print off on some card or scrap material.
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    It sound like ink is to thick. You want the ink to tansfer fast and by thinning the ink it will let it release quick and not get held up by the mesh.
    If this is your first go at it I suggest getting alot of scrap paper and I mean alot and try adding more and keep doing it until you get better tranfer.
    The Ideal way to print is to get the ink so you can just go, air dry ink has to stay in motion as much as possiable. It will want to dry in the screen.
    You need to do some testing on scrap and when it's to the point where you know is working then which over to the good paper.
    All I can tell you is you have to just do it and find some of the answer while you print.
    Stay at it and really think about what is happening and why you think it's not working.

    best of luck

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    add retarder, but not too much or the ink will bleed. Work fast, real fast. Have somebody loading and unloading for you. DO NOT FLOOD! I thought that would help when I was printing with vinyl ink...it helped on the larger areas of ink, but in the corners and areas with detail, it closed up quick. And like Richie said, have that screen opener ready at all times.

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    stinky cancer.
    I just printed 1600 ceramic tiles with that stuff.
    They were small, so I didn't have to thin or retard, and flooded
    every time. I had to stop every 100 and change he ink, though.
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    I'm still fighting this thing. Now I'm not even getting a good print the first time. Tried everything except screen opener because I don't have any of that.

    Could it be that I am trying to print detail that is too fine? Some of the letters I am trying to print are #11 type. Looking at the screen with a 25X magnifier I can see that the letters are only 2 or 3 holes wide in the 280 mesh screen.

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    If this is your first attempt, maybe the type is too small????

    some more suggestions....

    make sure the tempurature is not high and it is not a desert climate - you need some humidity, and temp no higher than 70f/20c or it will accelerate the drying too fast.

    Clean your stencil completely with laquer thinner and let it dry.

    thin some of your ink till it is a little thicker than cream.

    this should now print and stay open if you follow the rest of the comments. (fast print, print off on paper first, etc) It may bleed a bit, if it does, add a bit of fresh ink to thicken slightly.
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