enviroline...matsui...

[thespirals]

is rayonet's enviroline water based ink the same thing as matsui's 301 eco series ink? i thought these were supposed to be textile inks, but i heard you can also use them on paper, which is what i'm trying to buy ink for...
im mostly concerned with what i'm washing down the drain since im printing from a home garage...i'm sure washing ink and paint down your home drain is illegal? i know artists do it all the time, but this would be at a much higher volume then dumping some acrylic paint water down the drain....also have eco-conscious roommates who would probably be concerned..

i need a good wb ink that isn't too terrible to wash down a home drain where i can print with on a dark paper..

[squeegeethree]

WB ink are pretty much all the same chemically. You should build a trap. Check out grease traps.

[ohdanielsan]

i've used ryonet/matsui inks in the past extensively. if you're only printing 1 or 2 colors, or if your printing style doesn't contain any large overlapping colors of 3 or more, then you're fine. unfortunately, if you have more than 2 or 3 overlapping colors, you're screwed, because the top layers will never dry.

they are primarily textile inks, so that means they are made to be heat-set. it's a shame too, because they're great inks otherwise, and ryonet is a great company, but use them at your own risk.

[sicoide]

Originally Posted by ohdanielsan

i've used ryonet/matsui inks in the past extensively. if you're only printing 1 or 2 colors, or if your printing style doesn't contain any large overlapping colors of 3 or more, then you're fine. unfortunately, if you have more than 2 or 3 overlapping colors, you're screwed, because the top layers will never dry.

they are primarily textile inks, so that means they are made to be heat-set. it's a shame too, because they're great inks otherwise, and ryonet is a great company, but use them at your own risk.

im using matsui ink now and i had the same result, takes a long time to dry and stays abit sticky after.
i'm running out of some colors and would like to try something else too...any suggestion ?
thankx

[squeegeethree]

Matsui's 301 eco series ink is not anymore eco friendly than TW graphics from what I can tell. Seems to be packaging more than anything.

[thespirals]

Originally Posted by ohdanielsan

i've used ryonet/matsui inks in the past extensively. if you're only printing 1 or 2 colors, or if your printing style doesn't contain any large overlapping colors of 3 or more, then you're fine. unfortunately, if you have more than 2 or 3 overlapping colors, you're screwed, because the top layers will never dry.

they are primarily textile inks, so that means they are made to be heat-set. it's a shame too, because they're great inks otherwise, and ryonet is a great company, but use them at your own risk.

hmmm good to know. sounds like something i don't really want to deal with. i'll look into other inks made for paper. thanks!

[Andymac]

TW.

Always dries nice and quick
no scuff
strong colors
archival quality
good range of additives

It's drawbacks....cost....printing rules must be obeyed

As far as cleanup, if you tape and scrape before final clean, you only end up with a minimal amount of actual ink that is getting washed off the screen. No different than cleaning out a paint brush with latex in the sink.