The official "Not" FNM series discussion.

[bdix]

page 22 got awesome for a little bit

[loco]

I say we all get together in a year or so at Dinkey Creek for a Gig Poster
Let's all get drunk and not have to sell posters camp out.

Then I can meet all of you and not have to worry about your booth.

Just a suggestion

-loco

EDIT Here's the place I'm taking about

http://www.fresno.gov/Government/Dep...no/default.htm

[bathroom monkey]

dixon is right, page 22, KILLLS!

[MrBlonde7]

Hynes is getting "Scottish" in the city with Swampy as I type these very words.

[bathroom monkey]

does that mean they are making whiskey???

blonde talks in hipster riddles sometimes and it's hard to understand him or his hand is down his pants when he talks to you. either way, make it a point to not to talk to blonde.

[MrBlonde7]

Ed is wasted.

Richie dropped some knowledge. It was refreshing.

[Moss]

Bobby Dixon and Frank Kozik pretty much explained it for everyone. Please re-read their posts below. This topic has been discussed before here in these forums.... Do a search.

My take on this thread.... I see NO reason why I should discuss or explain business such as this in a PUBLIC forum. Anyone who wants to discuss things, my contact is in my profile... I am very easy to find. But if you are not part of a particular series, I see no reason to discuss business particulars concerning that series with you.


But since this has been brought up, I feel a reply is in order to the original author... Ron Donovan: You want a short explanation on how I became involved in putting together a Tour Series for the bands I work with? People like Ron Donovan that's why... the person who started this thread.

Ron Donovan is a bootlegger, plain and simple. Too many times people such as, and including Ron, have shown up at shows with posters, that they printed up the night before, and sold them outside the venue while the band played. Hell, you could still smell the wet ink. Did they cut the band into the sales? NO. I can point to many posters of his that the band's did not see one cent from, or even a copy of the print. Or how about that other smart idea of printing up some posters for the promoter, who uses it as promo, but then printing up an over-run and selling them at poster shows. Have any of you sent a band money for the after-market sales? Don't even get me started on variants.

Instead of T-shirts with the band's name on it, Ron Donovan sells posters with the band's name on it. Unlicensed = unlicensed... no difference if it is a shirt or a poster. If a shirt, poster, whatever, contains a band's name and is sold and is not Authorized by the band or merch company who own the Rights, then it is illegal. Common Copyright law folks.


Here's something for you Ron.... You want to make some posters? Fine. Make some art prints without a band's name and see how much you sell. Set-up a stall down at the craft fair and sell some art-prints. Personally I like art prints better, but I'll wager even money, that you won't sell as many copies. Quit piggy-backing on the good names of all the bands you've ripped off over the years


As to why Ron brought this to a public forum? Most likely because he was not asked to be apart of this particular series.



For the rest of the discussion, I re-post Dixon and Kozik's posts below.

Originally Posted by bdix

seems to me that the "no-pay" poster series are more or less set-up just like merch licensing deals.

you "pay" for the rights to make a licensed product of an entity in exchange for the opportunity to make money off said entity's name/image/brand. The licensed party assumes the risk, manufactures the goods, and shares the responsibility of order fulfillment. The entity assumes no risk (except for possible "image" damage), and receives a percentage of sales of the licensed product.

this business model has been around forever and has been beneficial to both sides of the model. just look at any major clothing label. they do licensing as well as "pay" work depending on what their needs are.

so my question is how is it any different? what makes poster artists special to where a band shouldn't apply this business model to a tour series?

Originally Posted by Barry Obama

reality check:

Bands do NOT need 'gigposters' as they are known here. they can do quite well on their playing, like you know, music, that people like.

'gigposters' NEED bands, as that is the one and ONLY reason a valid gigposter exists.

it is a POSTER

for a GIG

by a BAND.

hence the band AUTOMATICALLY, has 100% say over any poster done for them.

end of story.

[Moss]

oh yeah..... Happy 4th of July folks.

[IVARTON]

Thanks, Tim.

[Robbie Fuct]

moss with the head shot.