The Official - FAITH NO MORE - Tour Series

[Skully]

[thenailmc]

WF, for the record, some series' are paid for by the bands, and most bands don't sell posters for $5 at shows. I usually fight pretty hard to get people paid in most cases, so please don't generalize based on a Karma To Burn series.

I should note that I don't know the "deal" is like with this series, but c'mon, it's Faith No More, most people would kill to do one.

[worthless fuckstick]

Ron,

I can't help but chime in... You are gonna have to post this for me since my account was cancelled for lack of use.

-Chris

I dunno the details of the business of this series, but I DO know where Ron is coming from. We've talked about it. IN GENERAL he raises an important point.

Back in the day there was a certain balance between poster artists and the bands - back scratchin' over what was usually dinner or beer money. Most of the bands & venues we were making posters for couldn't afford posters in the first place and we did it because we loved the band or club. Bigger bands, labels, and promoters PAID for the art... though it usually wasn't much. Thats how the rent got paid (at least for me), dinner money was another matter.

Today its a bit different and a lot of posters get used for Merch rather than promotion, a lot of art never makes it to street level. We're also not talking about beer money anymore, its all come a long way.

Now there's a zillion poster artists. With so many artists there's a lot of competition for work, and being part of a cool series is a good thing. I love series posters - I've art directed and been a part of many. However, a zillion artists looking for work also means people are willing to get involved in stuff that kinda lowers "the bar" for all of us in terms of getting paid for what we do.

I'm not sure when the balance shifted, but there's a lot of bands that don't pay for their art or merch anymore... people are lining up to GIVE it to them. I don't necessarily blame the bands, etc. for this... its a great deal for them, ...but that don't make it right.

A lot of venues are cashing in too and getting free promo and stuff to sell, and the artist gets the "privilege" of making the art. Some of these folks can totally afford to PAY for their art. Since when has the burden of making a bands merch and promotion been on the artists' shoulders? ...even if the only "cost" to the artist is their time. Why should we work for free?

I think that's what Ron is trying to say... I dunno.

Some deals are better than others, some might not be rich, but are mutually beneficial. Again, I don't know the details of this series.

As an artist you just need to know where you draw your line. We all can pick and choose what we will and won't do. I've had offers to make the art, print the poster, cover ALL costs and shipping, give up the rights, and let the band sell the poster for official merch - and I would get NOTHING. I said no, but I know somebody else said yes.


-C

[worthless fuckstick]

Just to make it clear since tuffy told me to do it...

I will start a new thread.

I was not ever saying it was about the FNM series, just series in general.

So that being said, Off to the new thread,

WF

[RichieGoodtimes]

Can't wait!

[thenailmc]

Originally Posted by worthless fuckstick

Just to make it clear since tuffy told me to do it...

I will start a new thread.

I was not ever saying it was about the FNM series, just series in general.

So that being said, Off to the new thread,

WF

Yeah, it's that "series' in general" thing that is getting to me. They are not all unpaid, alot are beneficial to the artists, etc etc. You can't really take the business model from a few series' you were in and assume that is the deal for all of them. Like I said, I work too hard to get people paid to see the whole "tour series" thing get shit all over for not being paid.

[swampviking]

In the classifieds now!

Originally Posted by swampviking

Bobby Dixon:

[worthless fuckstick]

By the way, great poster Bobby.

WF

[Jeph]

Originally Posted by bdix

which one of you

cracker-ass crackers,

is gonna get off your ass,

and bring me some Snackers?

so poetic.

[Zach Hobbs]

Originally Posted by diggdugg

I'll post this under a pseudonym so that it doesn't come off as bragging, but I've been a part of a few poster series lately, and its been my experience that the band has at the very least paid for my posters, certainly paid for their own posters, and in a few cases paid me a very generous design fee as well.

Again, I don't want to come off like I'm hott shitt, because I am not, but I usually end up making at least 500$ on a poster, if not considerably more, either through selling them or being paid by the band. I probably wouldn't be part of a poster series that actually cost me money to be a part of.

I don't know the details about all current poster series, but I would assume most new series take care of their artists. Maybe this isn't the forum to post any of this but I just wanted to add my 2cents, in response to Ron's posts about poster series being bad business. Maybe I'm way off on this and in that case I'll shut up.

dude no fake-ass names. Be YOU.