Flatstock Europe

[piemel]

DRG...

1) Give me some examples of things that are moving in a 'fast direction'

2) and then explain why an EPI would not be beneficial to the overall scene and tho the example you should be able to name in the above point

In lots of ways Europe is going through the same phase that the American went through... Americans had tons of little gallery shows as well before the Flatstock thing started. There were a few hotspots of poster artists in the USA where people were silkscreening ... Firehouse did their shindig in the SF streets at Off the Wall. And with that in combo with gigposters.com and the ATTITUDE to take it to the next level a movement sprung up that moved faster than at anytime before in the history of poster making. You will need to convince me that an EPI in combination of a Flatstock is not going to help the European artists... convince me that its not the best way.



This has nothing to do with 'fair'... I am just calling it how I see it. Yes I agree with you and Chloe and others that there is not one way to get to Dublin. But I think you can get there a lot faster with an event like flatstock, with a backbone of an EPI, and an increased level of participation from european based artists.

I have no answer to those who say that rock posters will not fly in Europe, that Europe is only interested in books that are screened in musky cellars... only thing I see is Ron & chuck coming back from the umteenth trip to Europe where they showcase their tricks to people, and Euro people buying more posters each and every year

Also and this is a little bit of a elephant in the porcelain shop... I have no response to the lack of CAN-DO attitude that some of you express.

Please keep this discussion going ... nothing more interesting to me to hear from somebody who completely disagrees with me.

[Drozd]

morning Andy. G, i didnt listen to the message cus i forgot. Ring me in the afternoon...

[piemel]

are the jacknife people on gigposters?

[B-DROID]

Jacknife are on gigposters rarely. Mainly to upload stuff and do some promotion.

[piemel]

Call them and tell them to respond here

Also I would love to hear the opinion of Vera and related Dutch poster artists... they released a poster book, have prolly thousand of posters for their club ... what do they think?

Where are the Germans?

[3d glasses]

Hi Everyone!
I screenprinted 2 rock posters this weekend!

[piemel]

[3d glasses]

i'l be at Flatstock too, i dont think i can add anything that my fellow european friends havent said already.. good morning read though!

[B-DROID]

Your posters don't count, Chris.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by piemel

DRG...

1) Give me some examples of things that are moving in a 'fast direction'

2) and then explain why an EPI would not be beneficial to the overall scene and tho the example you should be able to name in the above point

I don't think anyone is suggesting that an EPI wouldn't be beneficial, just whether or not it's relevent and achievable at this particular time.

To me, what you are suggesting can be compared to encouraging a newly formed band to find a manager straight away because a manager is somehow the key to propelling them to fame and fortune.

Wheras my advice would be to learn how to organise and manage your band YOURSELF, as you will learn lots of valuable skills and knowledge from doing so. When managing your own band becomes a full-time job in its own right, then you should consider taking someone on in a managerial role.

Europe is filled with great artists and designers and printmakers, but we are not in a position where there is such a Europe-wide demand for posters that we need an EPI to structure things. There are also geographical, cultural and language barriers in effect -- these are not insurmountable barriers but they are still barriers.

Individually, artists are working hard and forging ahead with what they do.

Using the UK as an example, it's not that long ago that for some of us being able to screenprint our own posters seemed like an impossibility.

Now there are a handful of us printing and designing away, we're arranging poster series' with bands, we're organising events and shows, and most importantly we're all communicating with one another about how we can do things better, talking to each other about how things are selling.

A couple of years ago, any commercial screenprinting company over here would balk at a small poster run enquiry. Now we have printers getting in touch with us to ask how they 'get into' printing posters for artists.

Not only this, but I'm seeing people who formerly 'just' doodled black and white flyers now becoming actual artists and selling and displaying their work.

In the backroom of a great venue here in Leeds, there is a wall overflowing with great poster/flyer designs (the majority of which are not made by people who are regulars on this site, I might add).

There is tonnes going on, not all of it directly SILKSCREEN related, but definitely related to music and artists who share similar musical and cultural backgrounds.

Artists are learning valuable skills which will be put to good use when the time arises that an EPI is a viable option.