Flatstock Europe

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who iss this modezt maus? und vy do you haff zo many?

[tanxxx]

Originally Posted by piemel

And at least its on the radar screen now... and there is actually some serious discussion

And nothing that means anthing WILL get done UNTIL THE EUROPEANS GET INVOLVED.... that is whole point I am trying to make... they don't need me or API or Geoff or Tuffy... they need to do this themselves...

For jebus' sake... European artists need to send invitations out to American artists to attend a German postershow... not the other way around

damn, please let us be involved the way we want.
It's a little bit curious : you're crying there's not enough EU poster designers in FS THAT is a US meeting, created by US peeps, etc. So I don't understand your last sentence.

[tanxxx]

Originally Posted by jayryan

the europeans have a misconception about this being an easy job here in the states.

not easy, but EASIER

oh please;..

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Originally Posted by seriplop

too add another 2 cents ( i just can't shup up about this , can i?) but , we've spent a fair bit of time networking , collabing with , visiting studios of print artists in europe and one thing i've notticed is that the underground printmaking culture there is WAY more focused on bookss , comics and art prints rather than gig posters.
these things all seem to do very well in terms of sales , media attention , distribution and gallery exhibitions.

it seems very popular to publish collective screened books , i can think of many studios , expecially in france who do this.

many of the artists we are palz with in europe tend to spend most of their energy on these things and see posters as a small percentage of what they do.

thus , (and this is my speculating here) they may not identify with being "poster artists" the way many of us do.

Yes, I see this a lot too. Actually, I just read about this design team in this months creative review that went to SXSW and saw all the awesomeness that Flatstock is and got inspired.....not to start making gigposters mind you, but to make a bunch or screen printed art prints.

The studio space that 3d and I printed at was filled with art prints, we might have been the only two poster artists there. And that seems to be the same for all the print studios I see.

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to the point.

I also love very much having a country added to the search engine.

In the world view this is important.

I also think that this is a fast changing platform for all to take advantage of.

From the firehouse, we embrace all of the euro-shops with open arms.

Let's not stop there.

there are many others around the world,

but this is more "euro" based for this thread.

"flatstock" is just a idea that has turned into a movement.

What Jay has stated is not only true, but not overlooked.

It's not a cake-walk in the US by any means.

We are "freaks" and probally will stay that way for a long time

since we are not doctors , lawyers, or bankers.

I wish we could be there in HH this time but our month long tour in the UK prevents us from doing it this time.

Which by the way was EPIC.

Hope you all have a great time over there. ( euro & US )

Please post pics and experiences daily... So we in the US can see how Kool it is.

Caio 4 now.

WF

[piemel]

Originally Posted by tanxxx

damn, please let us be involved the way we want.
It's a little bit curious : you're crying there's not enough EU poster designers in FS THAT is a US meeting, created by US peeps, etc. So I don't understand your last sentence.

I am talking about the Europeans taking over the Flatstock event and have an EPI through which they can control/organize it. EPI can coordinate with API and talk about the use of the Flatstock name.

Weren't you one of the people that initally commented that it was weird to have to sign up for the API to attend the Hamburg show? ... by now everyone should understand that in order to organize an event like Flatstock you need a infrastructure and an organization behind it... something like the API

3 freaking years have passed and there hasn't been any action taken towards actually setting up an EPI as far as I know.

I know there are tons of Euro shows and Euro galleries and hardworking folks in their basement and all that... but that is not the only thing that you need... you need that EPI. And yes I agree that some artists don't need anything like an API or EPI... but it wouldnt hurt those hipster/underground artists either... It's not mutually exclusive.

what am I saying is that I am disappointed in the fact that until now that still hasn't been accomplished ... it doesnt even need the backing of a well attended sales event... it just needs to be set up as a first step in a long process. And look at the UK folks... they seem to have organized to some degree and are building networks... where is that on the mainland. I am serious... if this is the difference then I see no reason why to keep Hamburg.. just move it to Manchester or Bristol or whatever and use the UK as your European base because it sounds like it has a lot more chance... and hell, the flights with RyanAir and EasyJet are cheap enough to make that logistically feasible

and call me a crybaby but I am serious when I say that the more time passes by the harder it will become for the European artists to get a foothold in their own area... and that would be a shame.

you have to take a first step in this proces... the idea of waiting it out until you have a secure paycheck from attending a Flatstock in Europe is not going to work... if you do that the only people that are going top be making the cash are the Americans.

[tanxxx]

Originally Posted by piemel

I am talking about the Europeans taking over the Flatstock event and have an EPI through which they can control/organize it. EPI can coordinate with API and talk about the use of the Flatstock name.

Weren't you one of the people that initally commented that it was weird to have to sign up for the API to attend the Hamburg show? ... by now everyone should understand that in order to organize an event like Flatstock you need a infrastructure and an organization behind it... something like the API

3 freaking years have passed and there hasn't been any action taken towards actually setting up an EPI as far as I know.

I know there are tons of Euro shows and Euro galleries and hardworking folks in their basement and all that... but that is not the only thing that you need... you need that EPI. And yes I agree that some artists don't need anything like an API or EPI... but it wouldnt hurt those hipster/underground artists either... It's not mutually exclusive.

what am I saying is that I am disappointed in the fact that until now that still hasn't been accomplished ... it doesnt even need the backing of a well attended sales event... it just needs to be set up as a first step in a long process. And look at the UK folks... they seem to have organized to some degree and are building networks... where is that on the mainland. I am serious... if this is the difference then I see no reason why to keep Hamburg.. just move it to Manchester or Bristol or whatever and use the UK as your European base because it sounds like it has a lot more chance... and hell, the flights with RyanAir and EasyJet are cheap enough to make that logistically feasible

and call me a crybaby but I am serious when I say that the more time passes by the harder it will become for the European artists to get a foothold in their own area... and that would be a shame.

you have to take a first step in this proces... the idea of waiting it out until you have a secure paycheck from attending a Flatstock in Europe is not going to work... if you do that the only people that are going top be making the cash are the Americans.

I was at the fist EU FS that's why I don't want to risk anything, especially this year, I'm totally broke and a euro means EAT, not going to events. I think it's the same thing for Rica and most of french designers. It's not because we're not involved, i's because we CAN'T afford this kind of stuff, money goes to the posters, not to events around posters.
I have no fucking chance in front of US people is that kind of event, and that's why I won't go.
I prefer to follow my own way, i think that an EPI or something would be great, of course, but I seriously doubt about it. There's somthing happening in UK and that's great. But in france, people are a little bit wary about other designers (something like "he's stealing my job" and trust me, I already heard that. they just can't imagine that there could me place enough for everybody). So it's a little bit hard to imagine that we could join and make something happen here.
Maybe EU needs a structure, but it has to be different as the API I think. I don't believe that something permanent would work, maybe more something more specific.

But I'm really tired of all this poster stuff, really. Too hard, too expensive, not enough interest.

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OK, I'm back from the pub -- whaddid I miss?




For me personally, and this is something that I have been vocal about in conversations:

just because there is an existing method of organising large-scale poster events - the American Flatstock model - it doesn't mean that it is the one and only way to do things, or that European designers should be considered 'behind' because we aren't replicating this model.

As Chloe very rightly pointed out, we Europeans ARE busy organising shows and exhibitions and tour serieses, etc. etc. and a lot of it might not be poster related but it's still relevent and worthwhile.

I don't think it's fair, or even prudent, to suggest that someone appoint themselves a Euro-Kozik and 'force' any particular situation to arise. Things are happening at a faster rate than Rene's shortsignted view of EU artists would have you believe...

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With that attitude Tannxxx...

you will never get anywhere you know you could be.

It is not really that hard if you REALLY want to do it.

We take mass losses on work over here to go over there.

but it pays off in the networking in the different situations.

I take the "i don't have a chance in front of the US crew" line

as a bunch of crap.

If you don't show you will never get to where you should be as being a part of the game.

As for DRG...

you put it nice.

Back from the Pub to step up.

We KNOW THERE IS ALOT OF GREAT SHIT happening over there FOR SURE!

Non Issue.

Let's share more of the stuff that's going on in Europa and revel in the glory of making our scene happen even better.

Please now, I am ready to take more shit more my opinion.

WF