Assange: good guy or douche-rocket ?

[Andymac]

For all that we know, or wikigeeks releases, we are still ignorant of probably 90% of the shit that goes down.

[Barry Obama]

Why are any of you entitled to the truth?

because we are the privilidged and parasitic children of empire and have enough spare time and resources to do so.

[soupsandwich]

when dick cheney outed Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, people were outraged and demanded impeachment, criminal trials etc. Now assange publishes names of informants, aid workers, all kinds of information the enemy can use to kill people on our side... suddenly it's cool and he's a hero.

[Barry Obama]

personally, I am all for the idiots to get their wish. immediately dissolve all governments and systems and let humanity revert to cannabilism in about 3 fucking weeks. burn it all down. weak assed lefties with zero realityty based skills will be the first to die.

[Sash]

[crosshair]

[needles]

personally, I am all for the idiots to get their wish. immediately dissolve all governments and systems and let humanity revert to cannabilism in about 3 fucking weeks. burn it all down. weak assed lefties with zero realityty based skills will be the first to die.

you might be joking frank, but i think you are correct. i really don't mind if the ass end falls out of the entire system worldwide. being here in china has taught me that people don't matter. everyone thinks they are entitled to the truth, maybe they are, but people are expendable, so are their rights. with all the restrictions here, i still feel i have more freedom than the average western person. it's kill or be killed here. this government only cares about itself, not the people, and yet these are the most resilient people i have ever seen anywhere. need your iPhone fixed, there's a old dude from Guilin on the street by my apt. that can take it apart and re-whatever it in about 5 minutes. no joke. same goes with your car, your home gas water heater, or your liver. you name it. if the siht ever hits the fan, i wanna be right here. reality based skills will always win. oh, and crosshair seems like a really smart dude. always has a good point of view. like reading his take on things.
ok, so i keep waiting for the great firewall of china to block this site, but for some reason, they don't care about it... only a matter of time i think

[Fools Gold]

I've read a bunch of these cables . . . . there are a whole lot of names and such that are redacted from them, sometimes to the point where it's hard to follow because there are so many XXXXXXX blank spots. Granted I haven't read more than 10% of what's been released and so far haven't read any newspapers with evidence of people being killed as a result. I also think, despite the info being out in the public, most people are too interested in stupid shit to do anything about what's contained in the contents so it's virtually irrelevant.


and if they are so secret, why does a Private in the Army have access to them? And why aren't the FBI or Special forces raiding the New York Times, Guardian and Der Speigel.

[ricv64]

The PFC had access to them probaly because his M O S allowed him a temporary clearence

[soupsandwich]

Well, I hope names and stuff have been redacted. That's really my only concern about the whole thing. The stuff that's been generally reported as leaked is pretty stupid, embarrassing to the state dept. at the most.

I guess I am talking more about the first wave of leaks. My friend who was one of the top ranking officers at an old Russian army base in Afghanistan read his own reports online via wikileaks. He told me they contained classified information that could endanger people under his command. Can he prove any deaths resulted from knowledge obtained via wikileaks? Probably not, neither can I.