sometimes you gotta just bang some shit out to put up on some poles so people will know about the show... it's comical that something that took 5 minutes to construct gets the same brow-furrowing artistic inspection as a horkey. Not just this poster, but lots of shit on here falls into that category.. it's not even a designer vs. illustrator thing... it's way below that. it's a guy bangin' one out quik, not giving a shit thing!
Whitey..I'm onboard with you. I would just like to see artists give it their all. It doesn't matter if they are making a poster for a promotional show or brushing their teeth. Give 100%. Success and good tidings will follow.
Whitetron, I think the fact that this site and expressobeans exist are reasons to believe that it's being taken at least one iota more seriously. I hear in the old days of GP people actually talked about serious stuff, and worthless d-bags like Mayer didn't even exist.
I don't necessarily think that there are "rules" per se, but when things start garnering enough attention to where there are cultish followings, web sites and even archival activities (ExBeans is active in pricing practices and also maintains that the site exists for archival purposes), people pay more attention.
Hell, talk to Rene. He's had some ideas that make me think HARD.
when you put up all the posters you collect with thumbtacks, it just makes all this stolen art fuss trivial. this isn't fine art, this doesn't have to play by any rules.. it could steal any image it wants and wag it's wiener at the world.
nobody should give a shit
["this poster would be gone from the world 10 seconds after the show was done.."
this is a point I think alot of comments on this website miss]
Ok, fair enough. GP sees a lot of stuff that the whole world would have missed otherwise. That would have gone unnoticed anyway. It highlights stuff that doesn't really get seen after a certain point.
But think of how much "fine art" is that as well. Not necessarily appropriation of the "non-artistic," as seen in Duchamp's readymades, but rather the discovering of small-scale artists by people with money or a big name, people who promote these smaller scale people into something bigger.
Yeah, you're right. I guess it's effective, attention-grabbing gig art.
I guess there are a few ends to some of this GP game. Stuff that I consider art, stuff that gets the crowds a comin', and stuff that is and does both.
And stuff that is and does neither, I guess.
it's not like this guy is selling these. it was used to promote a small show and if it weren't for this site, this poster would be gone from the world 10 seconds after the show was done.. it's ephemera... so, the guy probably just picked a bold interesting image to use, without much thought to artistic infringement and blah blah blah...
Still, thinking like this has been done before by other designers/artists. Not only here on GP, but in the larger world of art. Mona Lisa mustache comes to mind.
Why does this particular piece bug me so much, though?
You know what? This raises an interesting question to me. On one hand, mister Merzari could have used a lesser-known picture and defaced it, probably defeating the purpose of what he was trying to do originally (which is, I assume, disservice/maim an original, famous piece of art/photography). At the same time, using a lesser-known piece may have come off as using an original piece of his own, which opens him up to accusations of thievery.
At the same time, I get annoyed that he's using Arbus' famed piece for this. Seems like little to know work, and leeching off the talent of another to gain some sort of recognition, if not for the show, at least for yourself. Still, would the idea have been as effective with something else just as famous? Or even another Arbus piece?
Or maybe you put no thought into it at all, and I'm giving you WAY too much credit.