uh, I just want to know what the 4 colors are. Was it white, then red, then black....then what? I think this poster is great and I'd love to know!
And yes, this poster IS better than the band.
i didnt want to know what you thought -
i wanted know something about your ideas behind the poster. Your response is funny but its a cop-out.
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let me chime in here. hero are awesome. art has been doin this crap since b4 most of the people here were born. he is allowed to put his 2cents in about posters... and who is blackball i havent seen any of his work.
I don't hate you Art. I love you. I want you to come over and bang my sister. Just stop being a condescending douche. Yes, you were doing all this first. Duly noted.
i give up, kids. i can't even talk on a thread without this stuff happening all over and over and over. i wish you kids had lives that didn't involve hating me. too bad. i could be a good friend to you.
phil, blackball, frank, it's all yours. have at it.
i'll just watch for a while.
I calls 'em like I sees 'em Art. You like being an instigator and you enjoy being contrary, but you have some praying skeletons in your closet too. And that BMSR poster was so bad, you should have your critique rights revoked for six months at least.
seireyho -
well, in the case of that hemp money poster, three of us worked on it, but i was in charge. i acted as art director. other projects i've collaborated on eorked in other ways, like where somebody else is in charge and i assist (or whatever). but, three folks working equally together toward a common look is rare and impressive.
Now if the artwork was all sloppy and had a stupid fucking rainbow in it, it would be less "obvious", and much more "interesting" and "edgy". Retro imagery only fits every band that Art works for. Got it?
Hero is so nice.
"it's pretty impressive to see three people work together and end up with a clear stylistic vision like this. usually a three-way is a mess no matter how you look at it."
What about the Hemp Money poster you did?!
Love that thing. Finally got my grubby hands on one!
it's pretty impressive to see three people work together and end up with a clear stylistic vision like this. usually a three-way is a mess no matter how you look at it.
Lonny - i agree - it was a trend pretty much pioneered by steve rocco and world industries that has persisted since, partly because its easy But i still think in relation to skateboarding which has been an anti-establishment type of recreation persued by 'ousiders' that the corporate logo knock is fully justified (when its done cleverly and appropriately) based on the type of humour surrounding much of skateboarding and its a major part of its graphic history.
Damn...typically the discussion is reduced to food more quickly...fail!
Did the band or representative approve this poster? If so...it would appear that at least some of the fans have a serious disconnect with the band or at least it's desired concept.
Art - I guess im amazed at how much respect and pats on the back are given to pure 'style' by people on this site - where the reality is the best, most creative work has both style AND the substance to back it up, stuff thats often treated with derision or outright shunned by the 'critics' here.
Im talking generically about work here not this poster - though i still dont understand why Hero havnt said anything about their decisions, which are being debated.
My guess is that its simply because we are dealing with rock posters, the no mans land of design and theory. Anything goes apparently and thats great - i suppose i'm more dissapointed that a level of appreciation for quality and inventive approaches to design is not as apparent here amongst people who seem to be more creative and open than the average consumer.
well Figbag, by inciting a riot you have pushed the comments on this poster over 100. Which officially makes it good, regardless of what anyone thinks. And I think you are totally entitled to your opinion. You might even be right. Either way, I'm glad to hear real critique on this site every now and then. But Dave sill need to make some kind of fig bag full of dicks comment, because that would be funny.
Yeah, I normally don't get all pissed about a concept, but this is just too transparent. Maybe because I'm a friend and fan of the band and have trouble wrapping my head around how the hell anyone would end up here for one of their gigs. I know this argument happens here every so often but this one's justified.
I guess it's possible that it could have been done before, but I've never see an image of people fucking reversed out of meat. So I'd say at least that part of this thing is innovative.
well, let's transfer this conversation over to say--skateboard graphics. how many skateboards, since the early 90s have just been subversive takes on corporate logos/designs? A LOT. and one could argue that is a dull, cliche, uninspired appraoch to the board... but, i still think the McBullets board is kick-ass...
I get emails almost everyday asking if I still have any copies of the naked lady poster I did for them, even though it got slammed on this site for being conceptually tired. So maybe the fans do like posters with nekkid ladies.
perkins -
well, i said all along that bush is the worst president ever. but, then, the american people voted him into office - twice. does that mean my opinion of him is "just a bit militant"?
this is a rhetorical question...
half of the discussion on this seems to be about the "style" of this poster - the trivial, subjective part of any design.
What i find sad is the level of acceptance of obvious, cliched and uninspired approaches to creating imagery and visual solutions to posters.
Calls of 'great', 'awesome, and 'amazing' are rampant on many posters like this one. Its sort of like not being able to see the forest for the trees.
AC- to quote Cameo...."Word Up". I think we're making the same point. My comment was more to Hynes-I'm suggesting that (maybe) by creating a poster outside of the porn parody (meaning creating a poster that represents the bands music) is in fact not in line with the bands original concept.
Figbag, if the band's "audience" chooses to buy these up, does that mean there's a chance you could be mistaken? Or at least just a bit militant in your opinion?
i really don't like using the word "fail" when commenting on a poster. the fact that it exists at all is a huge success. and everybody's work needs some "fine tuning'. you and me included.
so, i think this is a great success. just a little fine tuning is needed. like everybody's work.
Is it a cool looking poster? Yes. Is it nicely designed. Yes. But I'm sorry, keep trying to justify this working for the band, but it's not working for the audience. Fails. It's gonna look fab in your portfolio though or maybe CA! Congrats!
perkins -
i guess that would be like calling yourself "britney spears" and recording sleazy white trash screes about sex and stripping and fame and being sloshed in public and hating yourself, wouldn't it? sometimes a juxtaposition of opposites is a fine thing.
If the band chose to call themselves "New Pornographers" and their style of music is "happy poppy indie rock" then maybe it's outside their decided direction to create anything other than meat metaphor/play on porn posters? You know...the old inside joke that only their true fans will get shtick.
So is this band happy poppy indie rock or not? If so, nothing says that like a couple making out reversed out of meat. Seriously. This poster is fun. Seems like a couple of people are trying to make a big deal about it being inappropriate for the band, and I honestly don't get it. I also think Hero did a fine job with this one across the board.
And cave drawings may not be cool anymore, but everything else is still fair game.
phil -
not a victim, i'm calling bullshit on your fucking bullying dickhead attitude. you NEVER say a goddam nice thing about anybody or anything. even richie has a nicer track record than you. so, bullshit, phill. learn to play nice with others, you dick.
just my observations. if you find a problem with it, comment on the observations and not on me. i've seen how you guys melt doen at the slightest crit. so, leave me alone. you want my observations on this site, you should treating me with a little welcome.
Dogpiling was cool back when Art did it, but not anymore.
Regarding this poster- I don't know this band,but if the earlier description of "happy poppy indie rock" is accurate, then I think this fits fine.
I think the first step is being able to spot the cliched and obvious directions and not be comfortable in following them.
I'd say 75% of the posters ive done ARE for bands that I really listen to and understand thoroughly, i suppose i have that luxury because i dont need to make my living off of posters alone.
what's tired and dull to you art, is new and fresh to others. spot the age difference?
and who the fuck cares, when it's done with such grace and perfection. Hero's got their shit together.
phil -the problem is that you have no point, you just want to piss me off and start a dogpile on me. that sort of thing is so tired and dull that you're the only one doing it any more. so, just fucking stop doing that.
i was only pointing out that it's a tired old dull technique - sorta like i'm a tied old dull designer (as is pointed out so often by you and others). yet, you wanna still turn it into some sort of "let's get chantry because he's such a pompous ego" or some such junk. geez, time to move on, huh?
whatever art.. you posted to say how when you did it, it was cool.. saying now its not..
whats the problem? people like this and you want to rebuff them..
fuck off.
hynes -
of course. but that requires a level of sophistcation and familiarity with the band and it's ideals and with graphic design as well.
be honest, how often do you do a poster for a band that you really listen to and understand thoroughly? i imagine something like 75% of the work i've done for music over the years is for bands and labels and scenes that i knew nothing about. zero. but, if you have enough knowledge, you can still direct the way the scene and band ID will evolve. that's where an understanding of the language of graphic design comes in.
and, frankly, i think is a great poster. it's extremely well done and very smart. in fact i think it fits the band rather interstingly.
you can never get past their name no matter what they sing about. so, it will always work to do a parody of pornography for a band with a name like this.
maybe they should of thought of that before they picked that name.
Both the band's name and this poster serve as misrepresentations of the band's style of music...I know I'd be pissed if I went to their show based on seeing this poster alone.
but there is a concept here. the question that people are asking is whether its appropriate. another question seems to be where the style of execution is appropriate.
you have a sick mind, phill.
i did this shit 20 years ago. back then, not many people worked in this area. that's what that meant. that's all.
go look at tibor kalman and fred otnes and jamie reid and a bazillion others. obviously it existec long before me.
dumbshit.
dont backpeddle.
"stuff like this was interesting and edgy when i started doing it 20 years ago"
so before others did it before you, it wasnt cool.. then you ripped them off and it was cool.. sounds chantryish.
I hear you. But why is "It would look hella eye-catching in a record store window" a bad justification? Wouldn't Carson say, "I fucked up all the copy because people want to buy it"?
back off dorks. before you dogpile me, best go back and read what i actually wrote. nowhere did i claim i was first or that i invented it. that would be stupid.
so, shut the fuck up.
again i think its important to be able to justify your design decisions when questioned about them - people like Rand could, people like Carson cant - spot the difference?
I would agree that while yes, this is advertising (where concept should be king), plenty of fine posters don't have a direct connection to the artist. For instance, I've seen more than a few Morrissey posters that are 180 degrees from his aesthetic, but everyone on GP creams because they're visually interesting. This is advertising via eye candy. :: Now having said that, I think what makes, say, Decoder Ring's or Heads of State's posters so good is that they actually ARE idea-driven. But those are anomalies. :: As to Art's comments: Yeah, I take a pork chop everywhere I take my penis.
if that is the concept behind this poster (which i wish i wasnt GUESSING it was)- then yes its appropriate. Thing is, without a singular more clarified idea i could guess a whole lot of other motivations behind it too.
So the real question is whether the idea of "selling meat" as a metaphor for porn is appropriate for a band called the New Pornographers who actually make happy poppy indie rock.
Agreed danstiles, but its a cliched and obvious approach - totally acceptable but nothing inventive, groundbreaking or "great" about it - the people commenting just 'like it, dude"
There could be a whole lot more to it if approached a different way.
The whole "fits the band vs. doesn't fit the band" argument is somewhat arbitrary and tends to get leveled against posters that someone simply doesn't like. Just like the "you do posters in your style not the band's style" argument. This poster obviously takes its direction from the bands name. As do most NP posters. Its a fun name to play with.
The whole "fits the band vs. doesn't fit the band" argument is somewhat arbitrary and tends to get leveled against posters that someone simply doesn't like. Just like the "you do posters in your style not the band's style" argument. This poster obviously takes its direction from the bands name. As do most NP posters. Its a fun name to play with.
"Dude, that's quite the reach. Have you listened to the band? The name is deceiving."
I have listened to the band, I own two of their albums. This poster has the same tone and feel that alot of other New Pornographers posters have. I'm not really sure what you're problem with it is - like, are you saying the band has to have to have alot of songs about butchershops for this imagery to be okay?
i think its important (and enjoyable) when fans of a particular band question a designers direction for a poster.
Figbags thrown the gauntlet - now i'd like to hear the designers justify their choices in the design of this poster. Hero design studio?
"Also, I assumed the image was chosen to draw a link between "pornography" and the business of "selling meat"
Dude, that's quite the reach. Have you listened to the band? The name is deceiving.
This poster isn't really my thing, but I'm not sure how it's that much different in tone from any other New Pornographers poster on this site.
Also, I assumed the image was chosen to draw a link between "pornography" and the business of "selling meat"
I'm sorry but this isn't even trying. "Well, I've always wanted to do a throwback butcher shop ad and well... the New Pornographers are coming to town..."
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