See, now Souvenir has that refined fatness that Cooper Black just lays on too thick. If Cooper Black is flavor of the month, Souvenir will be next month's special. I've already started seeing it: http://flickr.com/photos/corianton/1420213954/in/set-72157602113323651/
you were there? man, you should have introduced yourself. i would have enjoyed meeting you. next time, ok?
yeah, i didn't realize it had such a tight time frame, so i had to cut it short when they started the clock on me. you missed about half my usual lecture. the henry actually started turning out the lights on us. man, those sort of things never happen in other cities, just seattle. tough town. smug and self-righteous. live and die by the rules they make up as they go along.
yer stupid. sorry. but, that's what i "think" about you. so, please no more messages addreessed to me, ok? i'd deeply appreciate that.
ps - and, yes, i've been holding that in for a while, too.
it's all in the name. would you really care at all about "hobo" if it was called "futura display?"
"helvetica" comes from a name made up for an imaginary warrior race that were also very gentle and super smart (yet cannibals) who populated ancient switzerland. they didn't really exist, but they were the basis for the swis national mythology of the wise gentle warrior that they still think of themselves (hogwash). but, that's where the name for THAT typeface came from.
hobo was named after charlie chaplin. the typeface was used as title cards and dialog cards for silent films.
i don't have much schooling in design or much money either, but i don't ask questions quite as dumb as that.
or maybe i do. but i don't care as much as you.
dusty - how does "hobo" fit into that scenario??
art, i think we are talking about the same thing. i was saying that if someone was calling it Futura Display then it was indeed a font with in the overall Futura typeface (though i believe that there was just bozo at dover who decided to call this Futura Display). Just as on part of the univers family (lets say univers 5) would be a font with in the Univers typeface.
maybe for you little kids with yer computers. but, for us old fucks with the old knowledge of the old ways, grasshopper, they are typefaces, not fonts. a font is a set of every character of a particular typeface design (including lower case and punctuation marks) in a particluar pint size. subtle, but different.
old lead type guys called those big heavy cases filled with the brass moulds for the typefaces "font cases". get it? they each carried one font of a particular typeface in a particular point size.
anyway, what do you care?
i think in this instance if you catagorized the black moth text as Futura Display then you'd be in the right by calling it a Font and not a type face.
i also think that there are better things to talk about than the face.
apparently 'gaspipe' was also a typeface in certain circles in them old days, too. i've seen this face listed as 'gaspipe' in several old type books (but ususally called 'futura poster' or 'futura display', even though it looks nothing like futura at all as far as i can see.). but i have also heard of dan's reference as well.
hell, kid these days think "pica" is a typeface. actually, them kids use the word "font" when they mean typeface, largely because that's what they were told by some geeky dude who set up this current design system on the magic box. so, go figger, eh? (a font is actualy not a typeface at all. but, who cares anymore? the computers guys? nah.)
paul - experiment? i'll experiment on yer sorry soul, sonny.... (evil laughter erupts from the shadows)
Gaspipe is not actually a singular typeface but a category of typography generally reserved for most any bolcky typeface, the ones that were easiest to hand paint with a flat brush. I only know this by my attempt to learn hand lettering from an old sign painting instructional manual and failing miserably.
paul - i just flunked you - "F."
and anybody who thinks this is a good poster has no taste at all (and design is nothing but taste, right?) it's awful - no sense of scale and retarded color. it's too literal and has nothing to do with the band. b&w sux, too.
oh, wait, this is my work.
reverse that. this means you get and "A", paul.
So, computers are for the lazy. I get it now. Next project, I'm going to squirt turds out onto a pane of glass and burn my screen from that. It will look like comic sans, but it will be brilliant because it's totally analog. Got it?
this is called gaspipe, which is a name they gave to futura poster back in the 1940's. it's a version of futura display that is more stylized. i use it regularly, but you guys don't see it much in my work posted here. i xeroxed it out of an old type book and cut out each letter one by one and pasted it into my mechanical - yes, MECHANICAL. remember i'm an old skool dinosaur hack. i'm not all smart and clever and brilliant like all you computer designer types. i'm still forced to use my hands - like a common laborer!
and AA didn't invent the style i work in. honest. so, i can't possibly rip them off. at least not without REALLY trying harder than this.
i probably have other snide remarks to make concerning this thread, but i'm too tired. i started my first day of my very first real job today. sad, huh?
I don't think that font exists on the digital end. And to the person that said he ripped AA, dude this font goes back a looooong time. like, it's old. (but the reason I avoid it is to avoid Chantry/AA comparisons)... It's like the Hellenic Wide of power slop.
Now everybody have you heard
If you're in the game, then the stroke's the word
Don't take no rhythm, don't take no style
Got a thirst for killin', grab your vile...
You put your right hand out give a firm hand-shake
Talk to me about that one big break...
Spread your ear-pollution both far and wide...
Keep your contributions by your side and stroke me,
Could be a winner boy, you move quite well...
You got your number down...
Say you're a winner but man you're just a sinner now
You put your left foot out keep it all in place...
Work your way right into my case
First you try to bed me you make my backbone slide
But when you found you bled me-- skip on by...
keep on---stroke me! Stroke me!
Give me the business all night long...
You're so together boy...
Say you're a winner but man you're just a sinner now
Better listen now (said) it ain't no joke
Let your conscience fail ya, just do the stroke
Don'tcha take no chances keep your eye on top
Do your fancy dances you can't stop you just stroke me,
i usually add more fresh color and do a few pulls to get it back. but that's one color to another...not five.
but, in all my splitfountains, the color is never consistent from beginning to the end of the run. (i pull by hand).
art supplied us with a paper print of the art with an amberlith overlay for the split fountain. and yeah.. the split fountain of five colors turned to shit after several pulls. so the run is totally whacked. but, i'm thinking art knew that would happen. he said he liked em, even the ugly ass green to orange ones.
I think he either sends them reduced mechanicals or some such shit. I shouldn't speak for him... He's mentioned working the exact same way he always has then it just gets scanned in... Most likely he sent this in black and Lure worked with Art on the printing colors? Just a hunch...