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art chantry : |
did i hurt your feelings, nitro? poor little nitro. |
2007-10-27 13:36:43 |
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frostbite : |
"we need more bunny stories for this poser" |
2007-10-27 00:33:38 |
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Steph Nitro : |
"at the risk of sounding snottier than i feel.... this poster is so "eurotrash design school 101"." -A.C. |
2007-10-26 19:44:02 |
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figbag : |
Take that Cooper Black. Souvenir says suck it! |
2007-10-25 22:19:19 |
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frostbite : |
cooper black is the neue black |
2007-10-25 14:30:53 |
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ImJustRickG : |
See, now Souvenir has that refined fatness that Cooper Black just lays on too thick. If Cooper Black is flavor of the month, Souvenir will be next month's special. I've already started seeing it: http://flickr.com/photos/corianton/1420213954/in/set-72157602113323651/ |
2007-10-25 13:07:37 |
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art chantry : |
you cooper black kids just haven't graduated to the subtleties of souvenir. someday, you'll understand... |
2007-10-25 11:43:07 |
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seireyho : |
u rock man. coolest guy ever- |
2007-10-25 11:38:59 |
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art chantry : |
seireyho -
you were there? man, you should have introduced yourself. i would have enjoyed meeting you. next time, ok?
yeah, i didn't realize it had such a tight time frame, so i had to cut it short when they started the clock on me. you missed about half my usual lecture. the henry actually started turning out the lights on us. man, those sort of things never happen in other cities, just seattle. tough town. smug and self-righteous. live and die by the rules they make up as they go along. |
2007-10-25 11:34:18 |
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seireyho : |
when we showed up it was SOLD OUT! they let us in anyway. |
2007-10-25 11:06:05 |
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Magnus : |
I would love to hear that lecture. |
2007-10-25 11:02:55 |
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perkins : |
If they liked me, maybe I would like them. But Seabury says they don't. So fuck 'em. |
2007-10-25 10:52:29 |
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seireyho : |
yeah- it was funny too; alot of points in the talk I was visualizing this poster. |
2007-10-25 10:36:14 |
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perkins : |
I don't care for Hobo, Helvetica, or Cooper Black. So there. |
2007-10-25 10:04:35 |
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Magnus : |
about Cooper Black vs Hobo? |
2007-10-25 09:15:34 |
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seireyho : |
chantry talked about some of this stuff at his lecture- |
2007-10-25 08:16:56 |
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IVARTON : |
Leave me out of this. |
2007-10-24 15:29:17 |
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fantasygoat : |
Once you go Cooper Black, you never go back? |
2007-10-24 15:24:26 |
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Tenebrini : |
Only if you're into that sort of thing... |
2007-10-24 13:39:00 |
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ImJustRickG : |
Cooper Black is flavor of the month. |
2007-10-24 13:37:40 |
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Tenebrini : |
Cooper Black is the bomb. |
2007-10-24 13:35:19 |
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PaulGardner : |
to some, yes. to others, no. I think it's a bit of both. |
2007-10-24 13:20:50 |
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JustinHelton : |
no sir design is serious business. |
2007-10-24 13:19:36 |
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PaulGardner : |
unless design is play. |
2007-10-24 13:18:47 |
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MrBlonde7 : |
I'm not a designer and don't have any friends. I'm an anomaly. |
2007-10-24 13:17:06 |
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JustinHelton : |
but Paul, I think with better design usually comes less frends. more time for work less time for play! |
2007-10-24 13:15:54 |
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PaulGardner : |
Glad you could get that out, art. Your system thanks you.
I'm gonna work on getting smarter, so I can design better and have more friends. |
2007-10-24 13:14:49 |
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JustinHelton : |
bwaahahahahahahaaaaa vomments, something this thread is full of. |
2007-10-24 13:13:42 |
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MrBlonde7 : |
you can get the hell out of here, Helton. And take your vomments with you. |
2007-10-24 13:10:17 |
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art chantry : |
paul -
yer stupid. sorry. but, that's what i "think" about you. so, please no more messages addreessed to me, ok? i'd deeply appreciate that.
thank you.
- art
ps - and, yes, i've been holding that in for a while, too. |
2007-10-24 13:03:24 |
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PaulGardner : |
the trick is to wait until your in a large crowd, no one knows who to look at. I hear it's bad for your system to hold that kind of stuff in. |
2007-10-24 13:02:19 |
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MrBlonde7 : |
I hold a lot of things in.
Mostly farts, because people look at me funny when I don't |
2007-10-24 12:56:34 |
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PaulGardner : |
Soooo, have you been holding that in for a while MrBlonde? |
2007-10-24 12:52:50 |
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MrBlonde7 : |
I hate you Paul. Homeless people hate you too. |
2007-10-24 12:46:05 |
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PaulGardner : |
It works real well there. yep. |
2007-10-24 12:40:08 |
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Magnus : |
Pet Sounds with the Beach Boys is Cooper Black perfection. |
2007-10-24 12:29:09 |
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PaulGardner : |
cooper black is a more refined hobo. It's kinda nice. sometimes. |
2007-10-24 12:27:26 |
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seireyho : |
Cooper Black rocks. |
2007-10-24 12:22:45 |
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dennyschmickle : |
I find the term "Hobo" to be insensitive to the housing-disabled. |
2007-10-24 12:11:25 |
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PaulGardner : |
was Charlie Chaplin a Hobo? |
2007-10-24 12:09:19 |
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Dusty! : |
i could get into some cooper black |
2007-10-24 12:07:31 |
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art chantry : |
it's all in the name. would you really care at all about "hobo" if it was called "futura display?"
"helvetica" comes from a name made up for an imaginary warrior race that were also very gentle and super smart (yet cannibals) who populated ancient switzerland. they didn't really exist, but they were the basis for the swis national mythology of the wise gentle warrior that they still think of themselves (hogwash). but, that's where the name for THAT typeface came from.
hobo was named after charlie chaplin. the typeface was used as title cards and dialog cards for silent films. |
2007-10-24 12:03:44 |
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Magnus : |
Never underestimate the power of the Hobo. |
2007-10-24 11:58:51 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
I think Tarantino uses it in his titles. In fact I'm almost positive he has in more than one film. He flaunts the hobo. |
2007-10-24 11:41:09 |
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Magnus : |
I had a friend writing an entire movie synopsis in Hobo it looked really wacky. |
2007-10-24 11:37:16 |
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Tenebrini : |
Hobo is king. |
2007-10-24 09:33:48 |
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PaulGardner : |
What if there were no such thing as an ugly typeface, just pretty glistening ones. What would the world be like then? |
2007-10-24 09:30:49 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
There's ugly in the good way, and ugly in the bad way. It's the bad kind. Blech! |
2007-10-24 08:16:19 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
Hobo is dead to me. |
2007-10-24 08:15:55 |
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PaulGardner : |
hobo is great for generic signage and those ultra un-branded fast food companies seem to love it too. I might try and work some hobo in on my next poster. we'll see. |
2007-10-24 07:49:49 |
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Dusty! : |
hobo has no place in my life |
2007-10-24 00:22:35 |
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bdix : |
all you need is a turtleneck |
2007-10-23 18:52:14 |
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PaulGardner : |
geeez! This design stuff is haaaard. |
2007-10-23 18:50:39 |
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art chantry : |
paul -
i don't have much schooling in design or much money either, but i don't ask questions quite as dumb as that.
or maybe i do. but i don't care as much as you.
dusty - how does "hobo" fit into that scenario?? |
2007-10-23 18:23:52 |
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PaulGardner : |
boy, thanks Dave. I needed that. |
2007-10-23 18:06:07 |
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DWITT : |
'never let your schooling get in the way of your education' -Mark Twain |
2007-10-23 18:03:37 |
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Dusty! : |
art, i think we are talking about the same thing. i was saying that if someone was calling it Futura Display then it was indeed a font with in the overall Futura typeface (though i believe that there was just bozo at dover who decided to call this Futura Display). Just as on part of the univers family (lets say univers 5) would be a font with in the Univers typeface. |
2007-10-23 17:58:40 |
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PaulGardner : |
It's because I don't have very much schooling. - or money. |
2007-10-23 17:58:16 |
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art chantry : |
geez, yer dumb, paul.
another "F". |
2007-10-23 17:52:36 |
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PaulGardner : |
Simply, a font is the end result of what a typeface creates? - or, fonts live in computers, typefaces live in suitcases (tangible)?
-an experiment, like the one your doing in this poster. Yes, do that to my sorry soul please. |
2007-10-23 17:51:44 |
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ImJustRickG : |
What's the exchange rate on a Chantry 'F' in Canadian? |
2007-10-23 17:47:35 |
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art chantry : |
dusty -
maybe for you little kids with yer computers. but, for us old fucks with the old knowledge of the old ways, grasshopper, they are typefaces, not fonts. a font is a set of every character of a particular typeface design (including lower case and punctuation marks) in a particluar pint size. subtle, but different.
old lead type guys called those big heavy cases filled with the brass moulds for the typefaces "font cases". get it? they each carried one font of a particular typeface in a particular point size.
anyway, what do you care? |
2007-10-23 17:35:02 |
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Dusty! : |
i think in this instance if you catagorized the black moth text as Futura Display then you'd be in the right by calling it a Font and not a type face.
i also think that there are better things to talk about than the face. |
2007-10-23 17:28:59 |
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art chantry : |
apparently 'gaspipe' was also a typeface in certain circles in them old days, too. i've seen this face listed as 'gaspipe' in several old type books (but ususally called 'futura poster' or 'futura display', even though it looks nothing like futura at all as far as i can see.). but i have also heard of dan's reference as well.
hell, kid these days think "pica" is a typeface. actually, them kids use the word "font" when they mean typeface, largely because that's what they were told by some geeky dude who set up this current design system on the magic box. so, go figger, eh? (a font is actualy not a typeface at all. but, who cares anymore? the computers guys? nah.)
paul - experiment? i'll experiment on yer sorry soul, sonny.... (evil laughter erupts from the shadows) |
2007-10-23 17:18:18 |
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Evan Marnoch : |
Robbie, we're starting to see eye to eye! |
2007-10-23 16:25:19 |
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Dan Apparatus : |
Gaspipe is not actually a singular typeface but a category of typography generally reserved for most any bolcky typeface, the ones that were easiest to hand paint with a flat brush. I only know this by my attempt to learn hand lettering from an old sign painting instructional manual and failing miserably. |
2007-10-23 16:12:07 |
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PaulGardner : |
... And that's what I was lookin' for. Art - that's a nice little experiment you played. |
2007-10-23 15:54:20 |
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art chantry : |
paul - i just flunked you - "F."
and anybody who thinks this is a good poster has no taste at all (and design is nothing but taste, right?) it's awful - no sense of scale and retarded color. it's too literal and has nothing to do with the band. b&w sux, too.
oh, wait, this is my work.
reverse that. this means you get and "A", paul. |
2007-10-23 15:38:30 |
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deforgeo : |
Makes the job way easier! |
2007-10-23 15:08:47 |
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deforgeo : |
I design all my posters on Power Point |
2007-10-23 15:07:56 |
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PaulGardner : |
Well, it started at a B, then moved to a C+. let's be fair here. |
2007-10-23 14:56:52 |
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Robbie Fuct : |
i dont care for this at all. |
2007-10-23 14:36:33 |
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fantasygoat : |
Art gave Paul a C+ on poster design. Really? |
2007-10-23 14:06:39 |
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standard : |
I strongly dislike this. |
2007-10-23 14:02:10 |
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fantasygoat : |
Not using available tools to make your job easier doesn't make you better, it just makes your job take longer. |
2007-10-23 13:57:29 |
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seireyho : |
ha- if I were in charge I'd pay art to just hang out. |
2007-10-23 11:11:36 |
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ImJustRickG : |
Wait... what would ART do as a job? Sit around and, like, be Art effing Chantry? Please explain this. |
2007-10-23 10:56:03 |
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art chantry : |
you guys is sooooo silly still. |
2007-10-23 10:21:25 |
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PaulGardner : |
I'm gonna have to say I do actually like this poster, with or without Art's name on it. |
2007-10-23 09:01:05 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
Mornning George & Jeff |
2007-10-23 07:19:02 |
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ricv64 : |
They're gonna vote on making John A an honorary San Joseian today |
2007-10-23 07:16:35 |
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philaarts.com : |
art has a real job?
that sucks.. sorry mazn. im off to drink coffee and play poker with anderson. |
2007-10-23 06:37:05 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
I don't get you either Gardner. |
2007-10-23 00:06:56 |
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PaulGardner : |
Hobbs is NOT playing games here. No sir, this stuff called "graphic design" is NO game. It does good for all, like fast food after church.-- If I can get like two or three more people on my side, we'll have to think up a name. Hmm... |
2007-10-22 23:48:08 |
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andydiesel : |
so i had something to do with the invention of the mexican pizza. HELL YES! |
2007-10-22 21:33:41 |
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macthulhu : |
Just don't make it a scratch-n-sniff. |
2007-10-22 21:32:17 |
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perkins : |
It'll be your masterpiece! |
2007-10-22 21:16:40 |
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BlackBall : |
So, computers are for the lazy. I get it now. Next project, I'm going to squirt turds out onto a pane of glass and burn my screen from that. It will look like comic sans, but it will be brilliant because it's totally analog. Got it? |
2007-10-22 21:07:30 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
Gardner's side? Sheesh.... |
2007-10-22 20:51:15 |
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figbag : |
Hobbs has gotten way to serious for me lately, I'm taking Gardner's side. Way to go Zach, look what you did! |
2007-10-22 20:43:55 |
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Michael Apparatus : |
Dwitt invented the harmonica glove. Andy Diesel invented Aesthetic Apparatus. Aesthetic Apparatus invented Taco Bell and horseback riding. |
2007-10-22 20:35:52 |
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DWITT : |
is your job manufacturing harmonica gloves? |
2007-10-22 20:32:44 |
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art chantry : |
this is called gaspipe, which is a name they gave to futura poster back in the 1940's. it's a version of futura display that is more stylized. i use it regularly, but you guys don't see it much in my work posted here. i xeroxed it out of an old type book and cut out each letter one by one and pasted it into my mechanical - yes, MECHANICAL. remember i'm an old skool dinosaur hack. i'm not all smart and clever and brilliant like all you computer designer types. i'm still forced to use my hands - like a common laborer!
and AA didn't invent the style i work in. honest. so, i can't possibly rip them off. at least not without REALLY trying harder than this.
i probably have other snide remarks to make concerning this thread, but i'm too tired. i started my first day of my very first real job today. sad, huh? |
2007-10-22 20:30:02 |
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art chantry : |
youse guys are soooo silly! |
2007-10-22 20:16:24 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
Figbag is a dick. |
2007-10-22 20:07:30 |
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ferg2001 : |
johnny: i did. |
2007-10-22 18:01:53 |
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VonDada : |
Nope. Needs a skeleton kneeling on a skeleton horse, then it'd be super. |
2007-10-22 17:57:28 |
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Dusty! : |
rainbow not super enough for you? |
2007-10-22 17:44:36 |
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VonDada : |
I wish this poster were more literal. |
2007-10-22 17:43:20 |
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figbag : |
Futura Display is a poor man's Helvetica Neue Bold |
2007-10-22 17:34:37 |
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DrueBarn : |
Futana is a poor man's Futura Display |
2007-10-22 16:55:35 |
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John A : |
I think you just did. |
2007-10-22 16:54:15 |
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DWITT : |
who is going to invent the harmonica glove? |
2007-10-22 16:48:49 |
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figbag : |
Hey Zach, eat one. AA uses Futana a lot. I pointed it out because when I see it used, I think AA. And the irony of Chantry using an font that they use frequently amuses me. Sue me. |
2007-10-22 16:42:32 |
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Michael Apparatus : |
It's true. Andy invented us. And the harmonica. And the rubber glove. |
2007-10-22 15:58:53 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
I don't think that font exists on the digital end. And to the person that said he ripped AA, dude this font goes back a looooong time. like, it's old. (but the reason I avoid it is to avoid Chantry/AA comparisons)... It's like the Hellenic Wide of power slop. |
2007-10-22 14:52:18 |
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raindog138 : |
with no vaseline. |
2007-10-22 14:49:32 |
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philaarts.com : |
chantry is mindfucking us all. |
2007-10-22 14:48:35 |
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danstiles : |
I like everything about it, except the type doesn't have that Chantry feeling. Too rigid, like it came off a computer and never got reworked. It doesn't work with the blown out quality of the image. |
2007-10-22 14:38:37 |
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johnny : |
who farted? |
2007-10-21 23:23:55 |
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figbag : |
What's this? Chantry using an AA font? Awesome. |
2007-10-21 21:50:00 |
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andydiesel : |
i like this, its fun and goofy.
i hate the out of focus aspect of the image though. it's like nails on a chalkboard for some reason.
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2007-10-21 18:47:48 |
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louisfinn : |
Rad band....lame poster. Looks like it was phoned in. |
2007-10-21 04:31:52 |
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RADAR : |
olde skül |
2007-10-20 21:56:58 |
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deforgeo : |
"I like it cause it's just weird as shit."
Yes. |
2007-10-20 21:55:41 |
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fantasygoat : |
Ditto. This sucks. Sorry Art. |
2007-10-20 16:47:00 |
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RisingSon™ : |
Blackball and Campbell and Goodtimes are right |
2007-10-20 16:21:50 |
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BlackBall : |
Take Art's name off it and 90% of you guys wouldn't wipe your ass with it. |
2007-10-20 15:53:46 |
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perkins : |
Black Moth got Chantry. I think they came out ahead. |
2007-10-20 13:43:34 |
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scott campbell : |
there would be no comments on this poster if it wasn't done by art chantry. i like art's work, but this totally missed the mark. black moth deserves better |
2007-10-20 11:57:45 |
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VonDada : |
I'm not feeling it. There are better BMSR posters out there. |
2007-10-20 09:09:27 |
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BlackBall : |
If this wasn't Art Chantry, you all would be tearing it apart. Gay. |
2007-10-20 09:02:04 |
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Magnus : |
I am puzzled. |
2007-10-20 08:46:29 |
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seireyho : |
literal is good sometimes |
2007-10-19 14:56:16 |
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Evan Marnoch : |
I think I agree with RGT on this one. |
2007-10-19 14:55:19 |
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philaarts.com : |
that was about a gay handjob.. are you callin art gay?
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2007-10-19 14:34:48 |
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Seamus McClernan : |
Now everybody have you heard
If you're in the game, then the stroke's the word
Don't take no rhythm, don't take no style
Got a thirst for killin', grab your vile...
You put your right hand out give a firm hand-shake
Talk to me about that one big break...
Spread your ear-pollution both far and wide...
Keep your contributions by your side and stroke me,
stroke me!
Could be a winner boy, you move quite well...
You got your number down...
Say you're a winner but man you're just a sinner now
You put your left foot out keep it all in place...
Work your way right into my case
First you try to bed me you make my backbone slide
But when you found you bled me-- skip on by...
keep on---stroke me! Stroke me!
Give me the business all night long...
You're so together boy...
Say you're a winner but man you're just a sinner now
Better listen now (said) it ain't no joke
Let your conscience fail ya, just do the stroke
Don'tcha take no chances keep your eye on top
Do your fancy dances you can't stop you just stroke me,
stroke me! |
2007-10-19 14:21:59 |
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ImJustRickG : |
I pull mine by hand. I'd like to get a machine to pull mine, but right now it's just me in my studio. Pullin' by hand. Stroke after stroke. |
2007-10-19 14:15:45 |
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Unitus : |
uh. no. lots of auto-presses out there. they make split fountains a little easier. |
2007-10-19 14:13:04 |
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Unitus : |
i usually add more fresh color and do a few pulls to get it back. but that's one color to another...not five.
but, in all my splitfountains, the color is never consistent from beginning to the end of the run. (i pull by hand). |
2007-10-19 11:32:34 |
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seireyho : |
what do you do after those five pulls?
scrap all that mixed ink and start over? |
2007-10-19 11:29:55 |
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Unitus : |
now i have to try it. |
2007-10-19 11:28:54 |
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RichieGoodtimes : |
A black moth...a rainbow...you're really pushing the boundaries here!
You forgot to illustrate SUPER.
I'm reading it as Black Moth Science Rainbow. Totally confusing.
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2007-10-19 11:28:47 |
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lure : |
i don't recommend it. we got a few more then five pulls before it turned to shit. but it did turn to shit. |
2007-10-19 11:27:05 |
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Unitus : |
yeah. looks pretty doable, but would get totally messy after five or so pulls. |
2007-10-19 11:25:18 |
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Tenebrini : |
That there is an ambitious split my friends. |
2007-10-19 11:18:42 |
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lure : |
oh.. and 18 x 24
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2007-10-19 09:58:13 |
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lure : |
we ended up with 92 in the edition. but i tell ya, not many have a nice rainbow in em. they're all different; mostly whack. |
2007-10-19 09:57:40 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
It's Hork Zobbs. Duh... |
2007-10-19 09:18:49 |
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standard : |
"I think most likely probably" - Zach Hobbs |
2007-10-19 09:12:27 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
contact Lure... probably 100 made |
2007-10-19 09:07:07 |
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seireyho : |
i bet the band is stoked. |
2007-10-19 08:44:35 |
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seireyho : |
How many were made? Any way to get a hold of this one? |
2007-10-19 08:43:17 |
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lure : |
yeah, especially for hack printers like us. |
2007-10-19 07:54:05 |
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Grzeca : |
Yowza. That's a printers nightmare. Cool. |
2007-10-19 06:26:10 |
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lure : |
oh, and yes, it was reduced. around 7.5" x 10"
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2007-10-19 05:46:10 |
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lure : |
art supplied us with a paper print of the art with an amberlith overlay for the split fountain. and yeah.. the split fountain of five colors turned to shit after several pulls. so the run is totally whacked. but, i'm thinking art knew that would happen. he said he liked em, even the ugly ass green to orange ones. |
2007-10-19 05:44:53 |
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stinkbait : |
that's a lot of colour for two screens. I hate to have to try and hold that split for any edition over 50... |
2007-10-19 00:11:49 |
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Dusty! : |
i shall wait to here it from the man himself. |
2007-10-18 23:45:29 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
I think he either sends them reduced mechanicals or some such shit. I shouldn't speak for him... He's mentioned working the exact same way he always has then it just gets scanned in... Most likely he sent this in black and Lure worked with Art on the printing colors? Just a hunch... |
2007-10-18 23:42:06 |
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Evan Marnoch : |
Definitely weird and literal as shit. Heh. |
2007-10-18 23:36:29 |
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Dusty! : |
did he do it with a computer?
serious question. |
2007-10-18 23:33:43 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
Lure printed this I think since it's part of the Anti-pop series. I like it cause it's just weird as shit.
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2007-10-18 23:23:43 |
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Dusty! : |
not feelin this one. not sure why, something weird with the contrast between the super beat up fellow and the more stark line of the rainbow.
cool way to use the split fount
who prints your stuff now? |
2007-10-18 23:14:33 |
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PaulGardner : |
ok, I think this design thing is starting to make a bit more sence. this here is soooo good. |
2007-10-18 22:53:55 |
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Zach Hobbs : |
that image is nearly disappeared. Cool colors. |
2007-10-18 22:52:25 |
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Joanna Wecht : |
it's that "face" again. Thanks for a great speech tonight.....I enjoyed it and enjoy this poster |
2007-10-18 22:33:17 |
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Bob Caruthers : |
Good one, Art.
What size is it? |
2007-10-18 06:45:27 |
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