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2007-06-08 00:41:12

Unsane Poster - Launchpad, Albuquerque - Print Mafia

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philaarts.comSend a message :   tittays   2010-05-25 11:05:32
B-DROIDSend B-DROID a message :   Random Sasquatch attack.   2009-05-16 05:23:09
john seaburySend john seabury a message :   It's back. I still love it!   2009-02-21 18:58:31
ZOMICSend ZOMIC a message :   Randomized greatness....I love how far this pushes the envelope.....   2009-02-21 18:54:22
silenceisconsentSend silenceisconsent a message :   I love that print mafia is not afraid to print whatever they want. I applaud any none-pussy, no matter the content or their stance on it.   2008-09-24 17:59:57
getoutoftheleftlaneSend getoutoftheleftlane a message :   i stand by my earlier statement   2008-07-11 14:29:15
jjwebsteSend jjwebste a message :   This offends me! (the right arm is in the way)   2008-07-11 14:23:18
mini meSend mini me a message :   :| interesting comments   2007-08-20 00:20:45
FRODO BANGGINSSend FRODO BANGGINS a message :   Chris Benoit.   2007-07-20 16:57:18
scrojoSend scrojo a message :   do you have pictures murph ?   2007-06-22 15:47:34
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   I luv Jim and Connie   2007-06-22 15:45:18
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   You really shouldn't be very surprised.   2007-06-14 19:02:23
psykosteveSend psykosteve a message :   This poster is great. I am kind of surprised to see so much debate over something that is clearly ART on this of all sites.   2007-06-14 18:43:13
marmiteSend marmite a message :   aaaaaaaagh!!   2007-06-14 16:08:28
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I have a lot of thoughts on how different groups of people are exploited in our society. And while I fully understand and sympathize with how women in general are stereotyped.... I don't think they are the only victims. Far from it. Each section of society get fucked over in thier different ways. It's all a matter of how you decide to see yourself in this world as opposed to how you will let the world see you.   2007-06-13 00:51:21
piemelSend piemel a message :   the world is more interesting with people like connie and the pm gang
the others are boring... safe and boring no matter how many words they use
  2007-06-12 23:55:54
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   And just like that, KONG has returned to us. WB JAWN EH.   2007-06-12 15:16:59
John ASend John A a message :   nice tits.   2007-06-12 14:36:18
gordo55Send gordo55 a message :   Good year to finally get a PM sub!   2007-06-12 12:44:20
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Deeper into the rectum of the poster police   2007-06-12 12:27:54
kozikSend kozik a message :   RULES.
Print Mafia just keeps g0ing deeper. FUCKING AWESOME
  2007-06-12 12:26:29
HolyCrapstickSend HolyCrapstick a message :   Is this poster Family Friendly?   2007-06-12 11:55:16
Steve ChanksSend Steve Chanks a message :   140!?!?!?! 140?!?!?!? One Hundred and Forty?   2007-06-12 07:58:42
bopstSend bopst a message :   distrubingly perfect...   2007-06-11 17:42:15
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   I fail to see your point, Paul. Anyone who knows of Tegan and Sara is aware of their unabashed cuteness, and I'm saying this in all seriousness. I won't debate that poster with you here, PM me if you're interested.   2007-06-11 12:48:49
Robbie FuctSend Robbie Fuct a message :   PaulGardner - "The cutesy posters you guys do fail misreably in my opinion." do you think about what you say? how do their posters fail miserably? do they not advertise a show? i dont think ive seen a PM poster that has failed to fit the band.   2007-06-11 02:18:47
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   My comment was not especially directed to you. I just wanted to point out that this posters is not using an erotic/pleasant imagery (like in a lot of the low brow aesthetic) but a shocking one. It is not meant to please or satisfy the audience fantasy. It is meant to be offensive, disturbing. It s about border lines, taboos and freedom of speech.   2007-06-10 15:06:02
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   But srsly, my comment was an offshoot of what Elyse was saying, and what Fisher responded to.   2007-06-10 14:16:34
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   Meloo, I agree with you.
I do need to see a specialist.
  2007-06-10 14:15:42
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   so... wait... what happened to Flanderz?   2007-06-10 12:47:20
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   Shock value... this poster has nothing to do with the "women as sex object" debate. If you see it as a visual erotic stimulation, I guess you should consult a specialist.   2007-06-10 12:29:58
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   My coffee is lukewarm.   2007-06-10 12:14:06
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   From Wikepedia : Épater la bourgeoisie or épater le bourgeois is a French phrase that became a rallying cry for the French Decadent poets of the late 19th century including Baudelaire and Rimbaud. It means to shock the middle-classes or to shock the middle-class respectively.
The Decadent artists as well as the Aesthetes in England, such as Oscar Wilde, sought to shock and dazzle the dull middle class. This celebration of "unhealthy" and "unnatural" devotion to life, art and excess has been a continuing cultural theme. Writers, musicians and celebrities as diverse as Charles Bukowski, Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso, Marilyn Manson, David Bowie, Diane Arbus, and Cindy Sherman have tried to challenge cultural mores and pretensions.
  2007-06-10 12:11:35
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   Werd. I guess I mean regularly. I am glad this poster was made. If for no other reason(which isn't true, I very much enjoy how this disturbs me to my bones), the fact that it spurned some lively banter.   2007-06-10 12:01:49
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   "Why the hell can't guys take this question seriously? " Seems like we have had plenty of serious discussion in this thread.   2007-06-10 11:57:33
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   You know, I tried having the "women as sex objects" once at Expresso Beans. Most were dooshbags and did not reply, or attempted to leave some sorry excuse for a quip, instead of actually responding to my question. The only artist I was able to get to take me seriously was Stainboy, one whose posters arguably objectify women constantly. He made his case against that, and I felt he did a good job doing so.
Why the hell can't guys take this question seriously? Even for "low brow" corners of the art world, this is an issue. Over the years, artists like Gentileschi, Chicago, Claudel, and countless other females fought against the aesthetic of objectification, even within and through imagery that could be construed as objectifying. Is this what females within the poster world do? Who knows. Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe people just post tits and ass because that's what sells rock posters. Still, I find it a legimate question considering the fact that A) there are women artists on the GP board that I highly respect and consider 'empowered,' Looba being an example of that, and B) some of them produce the 'classically objectifying(or at least perceived objectification)' posters that one would think these women would rally against.
Considering that I am a male poster collector/ameture artist amongst peers that seem to be mostly male(how many GP threads have pictures of semi-nude broads and sexist/objectifying comments?), I wonder what other males and females have to say about these sorts of matters, and what reasons there are for them to not be addressed.
Paul, you really are a dick. Do you know what tact is? I think not. Drink a bleach milkshake.
  2007-06-10 11:51:40
HrabovskySend Hrabovsky a message :   For whatever reason, it engages the viewer and evokes something from everyone who sees it--be it good or bad. And that is the difference between art and dumb.   2007-06-10 11:26:29
perkinsSend perkins a message :   What makes a great poster is a great image, however it be begotten.   2007-06-10 10:09:35
Iron Canvas StudiosSend Iron Canvas Studios a message :   I agree, keep doing what you're doing, you rule and will continue to rule. This poster does it job, and does it job well!   2007-06-10 03:41:08
VonDadaSend VonDada a message :   I think the problem people are having with the image is that she is nude. If she had a shirt on, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Because in America (especially here in Hollywood) violence is okay, nudity isn't and nudity and violence approaches taboo.
It's a great poster. Impactfully makes you look at it. PM, keep doing what you're doing cuz it rocks.
  2007-06-10 01:59:42
JephSend Jeph a message :   What'ya think the thread count on those sheets is?   2007-06-09 23:24:05
connor13Send connor13 a message :   ROMG luna's a GIRL?   2007-06-09 23:02:02
perkinsSend perkins a message :   I think it would be hilarious if it said "Propecia" instead of Unsane   2007-06-09 18:26:36
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   What's this? Hair Tonic? All the better to choke out DenDen. omg!   2007-06-09 17:11:21
philaarts.comSend a message :   oh, choking.   2007-06-09 16:27:18
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   NO DOY LUNER.
(I mean, yes... I totally agree with your well stated and insightful point of view.)
  2007-06-09 16:20:22
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   i'm really glad that both elyse and connie posted a thoughtful and well written comments. i think it's really important to discuss these things, (these things being context, violence, and whatever's not bacon) and rarely does it seem to occur on this site of late. which is a true shame since a lot of what drew me here was intelligent talk, banter or of course, excellent sarcasm.
this is one of the strongest cases of context's relevance i've ever seen. this image upsets me , but does not offend me, and i'd be remiss if didn't say that most of the reason that i am not being offended is because i know who did the work on this poster. and knowing that connie is not a misogynist bastard goes a long way here.
  2007-06-09 16:14:41
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Who the hell would be offended by an image of Bigfoot choking out Seka anyway.   2007-06-09 16:02:21
printmafia-connieSend printmafia-connie a message :   sorry steve :(   2007-06-09 15:54:19
steve wSend steve w a message :   "I notice Paul Gardner has nothing to say."
thanks connie
  2007-06-09 15:11:54
swampvikingSend swampviking a message :   I like this poster and I like Print Mafia. FUXXXX the h8rz.   2007-06-09 14:57:29
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Paul Gardner is one stupid motherfucker. How's that for semi-abrasive? I love this way could I be offended by an image so obviously (and perfectly) campy.   2007-06-09 14:51:03
philaarts.comSend a message :   " the fact that so many ppl are talking about this cements its status as a successful poster."
brendan jordan posters would nullify this theory.
  2007-06-09 14:27:34
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Paul Gardner talking about " How far I've made it" is pretty funny.   2007-06-09 14:25:08
VargSend Varg a message :   the fact that so many ppl are talking about this cements its status as a successful poster.   2007-06-09 14:21:24
philaarts.comSend a message :   oh, unsane.   2007-06-09 14:18:41
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I didn't address Paul Gardner.   2007-06-09 14:09:34
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Realize that most people don't spend all day looking at this website.
Realize that is not your intended audience for your poster artwork.
Do your best for the band and their fans.
Realize that Paul Gardner is not your audience and Paul Gardner does not understand your audience and Paul Gardner never will understand your audience. Unfortunately Paul Gardner will never understand any of this, thus he will keep talking.
  2007-06-09 14:01:37
msaputoSend msaputo a message :   Agreed. Not only that, if I passed this on the street, I would most definitely stop.
  2007-06-09 13:55:57
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   honest dick   2007-06-09 13:54:38
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   "...but for me I always try to make a poster that reflects the band and it's vibe." And that's the bottom line. This one does it's job.   2007-06-09 13:53:46
msaputoSend msaputo a message :   By that logic, if you only have 5 posters, then they all MUST be good, right?   2007-06-09 13:53:44
msaputoSend msaputo a message :   "the more i think about this, i'd like to see an Unsane poster 180 degrees removed from the 'blood/guts/violence' motif. sometimes the unexpected can be really nice."
There is truth to that statement, but for me I always try to make a poster that reflects the band and it's vibe. Most importantly, I want them to dig me that's the most important thing...but also try and put in a little of my style in the mix.
There's no way in hell I was going to personally deliver the band a poster with pink baby bunnies and butterflies.
I understand that it can get really monotonous, especially when doing a poster series that all wind up looking very similar. But if the band is happy then I say let there be monotony.
  2007-06-09 13:52:06
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   "You guys design sooo many posters that the apparetly "good" ones are few and far between"
While that may be honest it is still a dickish thing to say. It's not always what a person says but, more how they say it that makes a person a dick.
  2007-06-09 13:43:59
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Now Paul is being a dick.   2007-06-09 13:32:02
VargSend Varg a message :   the more i think about this, i'd like to see an Unsane poster 180 degrees removed from the 'blood/guts/violence' motif. sometimes the unexpected can be really nice.   2007-06-09 13:23:02
VargSend Varg a message :   add this to the discussion: most of the images on the covers of Unsane's records are entirely staged. i believe the only exception is their s/t album on matador; that may be an actual death image. i'd like to applaud connie for using a 'fantasy' image here, as well, since that fits closer to the bands' aesthetic in my opinion. also, this poster is a lot more interesting than the majority of Unsane posters on this site. not saying they are bad, but by and large they are the same poster.   2007-06-09 13:18:52
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   eek   2007-06-09 12:31:12
john seaburySend john seabury a message :   ...I also like sex and violence in the media, it keeps me from going out and doing the real thing.   2007-06-09 12:01:09
100degreesSend 100degrees a message :   i'd like to hear more about the print itself... how many in the edition, size, etc...   2007-06-09 12:00:38
john seaburySend john seabury a message :   Very good design/cropping of the photo.Nice work, kids.   2007-06-09 11:58:38
sur4dyeSend sur4dye a message :   looks like robin williams arms. that or sarah silverman...   2007-06-09 11:29:55
Ron LibertiSend Ron Liberti a message :   rules   2007-06-09 11:21:46
uglybogusSend uglybogus a message :   i agree with hypo.
" Ironically, violence against The Wolf Man is a completely acceptable form of entertainment for non-wolves. "
  2007-06-09 11:00:22
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Oh, and Good response Connie. It's cool hearing a little about the thinking behind your work.   2007-06-09 10:25:26
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   "What does it mean that women are, by and large, sexual objects in rock posters? What does it say about the artists and the consumers? Or the value of women besides their sexuality? Or products that are dependent upon naked women who are used as products to sell products?"
In regards to this comment I would say that rock and roll has always been a genre of music that has used sexual imagery. I mean, Rock and Roll is a euphemism for Sex. So, as imagery relates to music it is very often going to reflect that connection.
Now, as for women being seen as sexual objects in society at large... well that is another discussion in and of itself. All corners of society are exploited in some manner. Women for their looks, men for their ability to earn money, baby's for their cuteness, etc, etc.... Advertisers generalize in order to reach the greatest number of people. And they pander to the lowest common denominator. That isn't knew and as for how harmful it is? Well, I guess that is a very looooong discussion.
  2007-06-09 10:24:44
cleverkarateSend cleverkarate a message :   Comments such as these remind me of why I come to gigposters. At times, I forget that there are intelligent, thoughtful and extremely creative people posting and commenting here continuously. This poster and these comments are why is important and relevant. Congratulations for making it so.   2007-06-09 09:58:23
altieriSend altieri a message :   You read my mind Jared. I also remember you telling me what Chris said about your posters.   2007-06-09 09:19:49
hypoSend hypo a message :   See...The Wolf Man doesn't care who he jacks up....dudes, chicks or animals (but not wolves). The violence is directed at the non-wolf. Ironically, violence against The Wolf Man is a completely acceptable form of entertainment for non-wolves.
  2007-06-09 09:02:12
connor13Send connor13 a message :   when i made those posters connie referenced i thought i had nailed unsanes vibe. after talking to chris he said they were more into implied violence. like on their covers their usually is a lot of blood, but no body. i know there are exceptions to that, like their first few singles, but thats what he said. this poster, while being a great PM poster like all their others, is (imo) probably not what they(unsane) are looking for.
  2007-06-09 08:49:49
JustinHeltonSend JustinHelton a message :   Connie, you did it now...Paul's gonna wake from his slumber.   2007-06-09 08:25:06
printmafia-connieSend printmafia-connie a message :   I have never been moved to defend a poster we did before but since the debate about this seems to be centered around violence toward women and I actually picked this image for us to use I suppose I should chime in. The photo is not real. It is from a film. It is staged fantasy involving I presume rough sex play. I can only assume that due to the surrounding article and images from where it was found. We have had this image FOREVER and always said it would have to be for the right band. Most UNSANE posters are brutal in some way or another but the first thing that comes to mind for me in regards to UNSANE are the images I have posted below. For some time now it seems to have become accepted imagery for UNSANE posters to show REAL PEOPLE who are victims of unfortunate tragedy. We discussed this and were both not comfortable with the possibilty that some friend or relative of someone who had died in a gory manner could possibly stumble upon a poster where we had thoughtlessly exploited that tragedy. Or that it could stir hurtful feelings in someone just by seeing a real person mutilated like that. No judgements against any artists that do that - it is just personal choice. I had a cousin who was decapitated and it hits me personally when i see that stuff.
So in keeping with our standard rule that our work must in some way appeal to the band aesthetic or appeal to the fans of the band we chose to go this route. It seemed like the best compromise of Violence vs. Shock.
Violence towards women happens in real life and is shown in media all the time. Is this poster going to make someone strangle their girlfriend or wife anymore than going to the movies or seeing it on cable makes it happen - I doubt it. If I thought that rational people were that easily influenced I would lock my family in the house and never leave. If a person is capable of such violence I don't think that it is due to what pics or movies they see. It comes from within.
I come from a Sociology background so like Max Flo stated below it is always for me more about the who, what , when and WTF was going on in a strange picture like this. Had this man not had the hairy arms and stripey PJ's it would not have been kept in the PM archives for 6 or 7 years. It would have been just another violent pic. Boring.
We knew this would illicit these comments. It's a good thing. People should discuss things that make them feel something one way or another. I notice Paul Gardner has nothing to say.
  2007-06-09 08:21:43
Robbie FuctSend Robbie Fuct a message :   needs more blood.   2007-06-09 08:17:34
altieriSend altieri a message :   I hate fish too.   2007-06-09 07:33:54
soupsandwichSend soupsandwich a message :   I guess I should clarify something, I didn't mean there is no violence in the real world against women, I deal with it almost everyday in my real job, and for the most part guys who beat their wives/girlfriends are complete pussies. I guess the horror movie image thing would be a better analogy if it was more obvious, like Dracula or something. But yeah I agree with mowtownjc, freedom of speech applies to everybody, even people you disagree with. Sometimes thats hard to accept.   2007-06-09 06:28:21
philaarts.comSend a message :   oh, gigposters.   2007-06-09 06:16:46
macthulhuSend macthulhu a message :   Does the fact that it says "unsane" instead of "great idea" sort of compliment the image in any way? Whether intentional or not, the band's name plays off this image nicely. The Print Mafia folks strike me as being smarter than the average bear, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was at least semi intentional.
Also, I was stalked for a while by a hot girl with nice tits. I once had to physically restrain her, after she broke into my house and crawled into my bed in a misguided, cocaine fueled attempt to "fix our relationship"... She did not like hearing that we were not dating, so she attacked me. Just as interesting to me as the whole "why do we dig women in distress?" question, is the way we assume that the woman is completely innocent and the man isn't acting in self defense. I'm not saying it's likely, given the statistics, but, having been there twice in my life ( I apparently attract crazy women ) I can say it's a possibility.
I've also seen some big hairy chicks in my lifetime, maybe it's not a dude at all. What does that do to the image?
Sorry. I won't post before my third cup of coffee again.
  2007-06-09 04:55:58
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   I guess this poster promotes erotic asphyxiation(asphyxiophilia, breath control play, or scarfing). ...reducing the amount of oxygen to the brain during sexual stimulation in order to heighten the received pleasure from orgasm. It s all about love.   2007-06-09 04:12:26
Michael M. MotorcycleSend Michael M. Motorcycle a message :   I feel like the conversation regarding this poster brings up an important issue about both posters, media, and gender in the 21st century, and it is this moment I feel the desire to speak on the subject.

Now here is the part in which I apologize in advance for any anger or toes that I abrade, since I feel pretty strong on these issues yet have so much respect for the different feelings expressed in the democracy of this forum. With that in mind, I risk my contribution to this democracy on the Internet.

My first question for all of us is: why is this dialogue important? Why are we talking about this and what functions do the various sides of the discussion serve?

To me, the function of dialogue is to promote artistic expression and the vitality of idea exchange. To that point, one side may argue that use of any imagery, especially shocking images, should be used with freedom to express ideas without censorship, (a stance with which I agree), and on the other side, others may be uncomfortable with the ideas and motivations of such imagery use, (a stance with which I also connect to).

This poster’s imagery has not been discussed by the artist/s, and therefore it is difficult to assess the motivation or message of the image. So I apologize if my interpretation is totally off point. I’ve met the kids at Print Mafia and know them to be thoughtful and shy people who may not be comfortable engaging in active dialogue through the forum, (but I am interested to know how they feel about this). To use the horror movie, as a claim of lacking in misogyny is ineffective, however, since most horror books and movies have PLENTY of violence against primarily women. The iconic wolf man, pumping with hairy uncontrolled violence unbeknownst to the daytime man he usually is, is a classic example of the violence of the beast within a person’s fears, subject to appearance when a man is vulnerable, in a half waking midnight state when dreams and actions blur. This violence towards the woman sexual object, arousing, stimulating, and ultimately satisfying both anger and lust, is explicitly described in this poster.

Does that mean the story of the wolf man is wrong? Of course not. The stories from a culture exist to help culture convey and process our own struggles and redemptions. That’s why some stories remain classics.

When Soupsandwich claimed, “this is just a campy image from a horror flick. I mean there's no reality behind it,” I had to sit back from the computer in awe. I recognize that the film may just be fantasy for most, but I’d like to take a look at what such a fantasy reflects. WOMEN ARE TEN TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN MEN TO BE VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE IN AMERICA, ("Violence Against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report", U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, D.C., January 1994). It’s reality, not looking for problems.

But I think that an important question that is often asked is, “does this promote violence towards women?” Or, will this poster make an otherwise normal hairy-armed man go out and strangle a woman? Preposterous. But to those of us that are reflective on the subject, we do ask questions about what the image implies. What does it mean that women are, by and large, sexual objects in rock posters? What does it say about the artists and the consumers? Or the value of women besides their sexuality? Or products that are dependent upon naked women who are used as products to sell products? I often read in these arguments that a participant, “loves women, and loves looking at women,” which is probably all true. But the use of women as objects reflects a cultural phenomenon that describes more about the culture than how an artist feels about their own girlfriend. And as has been pointed out, a woman most probably contributed to this poster, (although I can attest that women actively participate in misogyny as well, for reasons I’d be happy to discuss if anyone else chooses to have another essay written for them). So again, we may observe the chicken versus the egg argument that art so often finds itself in, as it becomes product, proponent, and commentary on culture itself.

  2007-06-09 01:48:38
kathleenturneroverdriveSend kathleenturneroverdrive a message :   Hey, look closer at the girl! It's Paris Hilton! See, that makes it okay to like it!   2007-06-09 00:52:14
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Hi, guys! I...oh...I see y'all are busy. I'll come back later.   2007-06-09 00:19:57
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   According to Punchy's logic I should totally be at this show. Now THAT I find offensive.   2007-06-09 00:06:44
JephSend Jeph a message :   See...and I see things EXACTLY the opposite of Mike of Paris Hilton...I don't know her from a hole in the wall, don't follow her antics whatsoever, but I was incensed that she went home after just 3 daysa in jail and am THRILLED she was sent back to serve her full 45 days, like any other person would have to do.
I mean really...45 days...a month...she's not in with the general population, probably has a TV and all the fixin's for a comfy stay...the fact that she sobbed in court and called for her Mommy makes me even happier she has to serve her full time.
...and when she gets out...I won't care about her again.
  2007-06-09 00:00:34
PunchgutSend Punchgut a message :   all this poster says to me is---there is going to be a bunch of guys that dont get laid at the show   2007-06-08 23:57:57
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   "I find myself offended by less and less as I get older. I don't have time for it."
This is very true and something I agree with. 5 years ago this Paris Hilton thing would have made me INSANE! Now... I could give a shit and actually find myself siding with Miss Hilton.
  2007-06-08 23:37:40
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I don't think I have ever met a person who would think choking a woman in real life is an OK thing to do.
And I agree with the sentiment that if a noob had posted this they would have been HAMMERED. But such are the ways of individual communities.
The little while I went to college I minored in Sociology. I find the ways of society, individuals and cultures to be very strange and ultimately fascinating.
  2007-06-08 23:36:02
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   You can choose to change those things about you. It's conditioning, just as you were conditioned to be offended by them initially.
I find myself offended by less and less as I get older. I don't have time for it.
  2007-06-08 23:32:41
motownjcSend motownjc a message :   this poster doesn't bother me in the least. it's freedom of speech. just because i dislike something doesn't mean i wouldn't support the persons right to express themselves however they see fit as long as it isn't an act of physical violence...
i find it quite entertaining to see a group of shitheads protesting something stupid, say like a painting of the virgin mary done in elephant shit. people tend forget that freedom of speech extends to everyone, not just to people they agree with.
  2007-06-08 23:32:26
JephSend Jeph a message :   I agree with Mike here...being offended..for me is a gut reaction, no thought process takes place. If something truly offends me, it's instantaneous, perhaps you can surpress your feelings abit but you can't just "shut off" being offended by something.   2007-06-08 23:25:31
JephSend Jeph a message :   This poster doesn't offfend me in the far as it being in tune with Unsane's aesthetic I'll leave that to people who have actually heard the band, as I haven't. This isn't a poster that I would hang on my wall (...for obvious reason's) but I have alot of posters in my collection that aren't exactly living room material for one reason or another.
And may I state for the record that it was an honor and a priviledge for me to add nothing to this debate.
  2007-06-08 23:21:37
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Nope. I totally disagree. There are things about who I am as a person that are part of "me" that I find patently offensive. They are just part of who I am. Those things offend me. Just like I don't choose to dislike eating fish. I hate fish. It's just part of "me" Not a choice I make.
  2007-06-08 23:19:02
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   But it is as simple as not being offended. It really is.
Especially when someone's goal is in fact to offend you. You CHOOSE to be offended.
  2007-06-08 23:14:41
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I don't know about that so much. Everyone is offended by things for different reasons. Some things I just find distasteful and offensive. Not because it offends anyone but me and my sensibilities about how I view the world. Very often I may be offended by something and totally not offended by something very similar.
Humans are often complex in their ways of being. So to speak.
  2007-06-08 23:11:52
soupsandwichSend soupsandwich a message :   Well, everybody has their limits. I don't like violent images with children as victims. i went to an art museum, a real, legitimate one, that featured a collection of works depicting some lunatic's private drawings...henry darger I think? A few of them were images of little girls being choked. I wanted to tear them off the walls...but this poster doesn't incite anything in me. I wouldn't own it or hang it in my house...and I can't stand a wife/girlfriend beater. You're right though, if this was some newbies first poster he/she would get lambasted. Despite the cool halftones and dynamic, action-packed photo.   2007-06-08 22:19:15
msaputoSend msaputo a message :   I'm curious is to why she was with the "wolfman" to begin with. Too many Martini's? Maybe the "wolfman" was driving his Ferrari and she was persuaded by that?
Hmmm...either way, it's not looking good for her. Note to self - NEVER get in a car with a "Wolfman".
I think this poster has taught me a valuable lesson.
  2007-06-08 22:15:05
Michael M. MotorcycleSend Michael M. Motorcycle a message :   I think what I'm interested in most of all is what is accepted by our community. I can see where there would be little interest in a skinhead band on these forums but if someone little known did post the image I suggested I wonder how we would all react. By the way, I'm not angry or riled up. Just curious.   2007-06-08 22:08:15
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I don't know about that so much. Everyone is offended by things for different reasons. Some things I just find distasteful and offensive. Not because it offends anyone but me and my sensibilities about how I view the world. Very often I may be offended by something and totally not offended by something very similar.
Humans are often complex in their ways of being. So to speak.
  2007-06-08 22:08:06
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   People actively look to be offended by shit as to give themselves something to rally against to feel like they're actually doing something with their lives.
San Francisco Syndrome "We didn't have any problems of our own so we had to go looking for some."
  2007-06-08 22:04:32
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   It is a matter of interest I think. I am not interested in Skinhead bands or Neo-Nazi culture so I would be more likely to disregard it or be offended. I like Metal and I like Horror movies so I can draw a line in my own mind about where this image and those two interests reside.
It's a good point though Michael. Makes ya' think.
Also knowing the fact that a woman was part of designing this makes a difference to me as well. So in that context if a black designer created a poster of a skinhead throttling a black dude... I would be o.k. with it in the same way. If that makes any sense.
  2007-06-08 22:01:49
Michael M. MotorcycleSend Michael M. Motorcycle a message :   I can see where it could be seen as camp if a person was familiar with the horror movie this was taken from. There are probably an awful lot of people that aren't. It is likely a person that is unfamiliar with the film could see this as the glamorisation of sexual assault on females. By your logic I think this has just as much potential to inspire a follower of Unsane to mimick what they see.   2007-06-08 22:01:38
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   That would be absolutely right for a skinhead band's aesthetic. They don't really give a shit if you like them and it would piss off the 'right' people which is exactly what they want to do.
Would I do that? Well, no. I wouldn't do work for a nazi band. Would I care if someone else did it and posted it here. Nope. Would I care if some angry gangster rap group did something similar and had a black dude choking a white chick? Nope.
I personally think only idiots get upset about imagery. It's like flag burning. I really don't care. Burn the shit out of flags. It's just a symbol. It doesn't actually mean anything more than what YOU attach to it. You can't destroy an idea.
But if your goal is to advertise to a bunch of hatemongers and piss off everyone else...then that's how you do it.
But that has nothing to do with Unsane, really. If you can't handle or don't care for unsettling imagery then maybe this isn't the show for you. They aren't actually misogynists. Their music isn't all that shocking anymore, but this is their device. If people can't get that then maybe this isn't the show for them.
  2007-06-08 21:56:46
soupsandwichSend soupsandwich a message :   MMM, good point. i guess the difference for me would be some nazi skinhead's band poster might inspire one of their followers to do a hate crime, while this is just a campy image from a horror flick. I mean there's no reality behind it.   2007-06-08 21:48:59
Michael M. MotorcycleSend Michael M. Motorcycle a message :   So for the sake of discussion, if this was a skinhead band instead of Unsane and this same act of violence was being acted out on say, a black man, do you all think the reaction would be the same? Would it be alright because it was their aesthetic?   2007-06-08 21:24:40
kissandtellSend kissandtell a message :   FUCK YES   2007-06-08 21:12:56
soupsandwichSend soupsandwich a message :   I like the wolfman's pajamas and the double D's   2007-06-08 21:12:53
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   fullmoonchokefuxk   2007-06-08 18:34:34
HrabovskySend Hrabovsky a message :   Super.   2007-06-08 18:17:19
uglybogusSend uglybogus a message :   why are they so angry?   2007-06-08 18:16:08
The Fresh PrintsSend The Fresh Prints a message :   i once told my manager that i enjoyed watching the lifetime network just to watch the women get raped and beaten. ha. now that was funny.   2007-06-08 18:08:23
kentddSend kentdd a message :   damn, this is so good.   2007-06-08 17:49:49
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   This is the shit.
  2007-06-08 17:44:31
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   sit back and relax, mazn   2007-06-08 17:29:21
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   This is disturbingly good. I would probably have to take it off the wall when my folks come visit, though.   2007-06-08 17:29:08
seriplopSend seriplop a message :   i've never heard this band. i don't think i want too.   2007-06-08 17:24:28
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   could it be that print mafia has actually listened to unsane?   2007-06-08 17:11:52
leglescowSend leglescow a message :   this is awesome   2007-06-08 17:10:37
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Fucking perfect.   2007-06-08 15:56:45
JimboyakaSend Jimboyaka a message :   this is unsettling and brutally fantastic. great job!   2007-06-08 15:12:53
Ben GelnettSend Ben Gelnett a message :   haha! get her!
  2007-06-08 15:12:14
danstilesSend danstiles a message :   is that image from some wolf-man exploitation flick?   2007-06-08 15:07:52
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   Record cover = bloody mess. Poster = before the bloody mess.
Complementary. It´s smarter than to just understand and literally copy Unsane´s aesthetic.
  2007-06-08 14:58:18
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Damn you for understanding Unsane's aesthetic Print Mafia.   2007-06-08 14:47:00
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   Perfect Unsane poster... kind of complementary to the record covers.   2007-06-08 14:43:54
RobSend Rob a message :   !!!!!!!!!!   2007-06-08 14:20:40
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   ROB!!!!!!! crossfire!!!!!!1   2007-06-08 14:18:23
RobSend Rob a message :   TOM...LUNA!!!!   2007-06-08 14:15:48
IVARTONSend IVARTON a message :   I want one   2007-06-08 14:15:09
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   And that Gregory is probably why you wouldn't go to an Unsane show.   2007-06-08 13:48:45
GregorySend Gregory a message :   im a big big print mafia fan, but cant think of why any band would want to be represented by this kind of imagery. it gets my attention i guess.   2007-06-08 13:44:29
JustinHeltonSend JustinHelton a message :   holy hell.   2007-06-08 13:40:43
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   yeah, I'm with Hobbz and Pnchgut. A little much for my tastes.   2007-06-08 13:33:31
Iron Canvas StudiosSend Iron Canvas Studios a message :   woah, that is totally robin williams   2007-06-08 12:59:20
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   too much for me.   2007-06-08 12:57:10
philaarts.comSend a message :   that isnt funny.   2007-06-08 12:55:02
kathleenturneroverdriveSend kathleenturneroverdrive a message :   Hey, that's what she gets for overcooking the steaks.   2007-06-08 12:41:30
altieriSend altieri a message :   What arms? Oh, I see them now   2007-06-08 12:36:21
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   arms?   2007-06-08 12:31:14
altieriSend altieri a message :   Nice...umm, you know.   2007-06-08 12:30:32
JohnnyJackSend JohnnyJack a message :   Snuff?   2007-06-08 12:14:42
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Love it   2007-06-08 12:07:32
getoutoftheleftlaneSend getoutoftheleftlane a message :   brute just made me laugh out loud   2007-06-08 11:46:22
Brute666Send Brute666 a message :   Robin Williams is killing some chick?   2007-06-08 11:43:19
PunchgutSend Punchgut a message :   i hate pics like this---i would prefer fingers in garbage disposals   2007-06-08 11:41:34
chopeSend chope a message :   jesus   2007-06-08 11:36:27
seireyhoSend seireyho a message :   disturbing. nice!   2007-06-08 11:30:46
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