phew, this is a lot of commentary. great show, it was iggy's 60th birthday on the second night (4/21) and he was in great form...and i like the poster.
the beatles in vented punk, Then Grand Funk Railroad paved the way for Jefferson airplane, which cleared the way for Jefferson starship. The stage was now set for the Alan Parsons project, which I believe was some sort of hovercraft. For more information on Grand Funk, please consult your school library. thank you.
i don't know shit.
they call iggy 'the godfather of punk' for some reason is all i know.
when the pistols were going on, i was listening to sonics rendezvous band. i wasn't cool enough to be hip to them. i didn't even know they existed until that famous rolling stone story on them. when the ramones put out rocket to russia, i noticed something new and wild was going on.
i don't know shit.
they call iggy 'the godfather of punk' for some reason is all i know.
when the pistols were going on, i was listening to sonics rendezvous band. i wasn't cool enough to be hip to them. i didn't even know they existed until that famous rolling stone story on them. when the ramones put out rocket to russia, i noticed something new and wild was going on.
Blonddie , you don't know Diddeley , Mclearen was an artsy fartsy trying to find something to latch his surfboard on . The pistols were some art statement in his minZd
Nah.
Oh, and Vivienne Westwood and McLaren were launched by the pistols like Hynes said(or whoever), not vice versa. They sorta cofacilitated each other's rises to famedom.
I'm not an authority on shit.
Whatever Dave , and "welcome to the Warfield " doesn't have the same ring as , "welcome to the Fillmore "
I never liked Scooby Doo , I think it's more the Adams Family
wait, no. This is that Scooby Doo episode with the evil clown and at the end after they catch him they peel off his mask only to reveal that he is the old caretaker Iggy trying to keep secret the location of the family horde until he could sock it all away and buy himself an island.
i can see there are valid points to be made on both sides of this arguement and obviously people become a little too impassioned when trying to convince others that they are the absolute authority on something so subjective. i think what we really need now is a little openmindedness and a good ol' fashioned circle jerk.
see, there it is there. i don't know the difference. i thought punk was an attitude, a way of life. the 5 and the stooges were the very embodiment of punk using those criterion.
the up rocked, or sucked BAD, depending on who you talk to. to me the coolest thing about them was that they are legendary for being the white panther house band.
later the lead singer, frank bach, hooked up with john sinclair and gary grimshaw and formed MSA and Associates, and put on a TON of shows in the early 80's, most at saint andrews.
Max Flo lefyt out the first Iron Butterfly album , that was heavy . The Detroit version of the Mutants rocked . The Ramones , "broke the ice " , to paraphrase Dekoonings' take on Pollock .
It's a lot like Black Sabbath. Sabbath were the first "metal" band but not the first band to play metal music. They just took that sound and made thier whole band out of it. Blue Cheer, Stepnwolf, and some others played Heavy Metal "songs" Sabbath were THE Heavy Metal band.
Much like I believe the Ramones were the first punk band eb=ven though other bands before clearly played punk type music.
Just my personal view. It means nothing.
ok, i'll buy that.
as for them being together before malcolm, then i guess i stand corrected.
i understand punk just is. i am just saying i think it started being just is in the late 1960s.
The Pistols formed before Malcolm got hold of 'em. He didn't put them together. Just the opposite. He's the one responsible for the band breaking up. Nor did Malcolm's Sex shop make costums for the band. The band took his clothes (or stole them at times) and tore 'em up, installed the safety pin look, etc.
yeah maybe i don't know shit. wouldn't be the first time i heard that.
maybe formula band wasn't the right term. i just know that Malcolm McLaren saw what was going on in NYC and went back to the UK and put the pistols together. he even had vivienne westwood making them costumes to wear.
the ramones just kinda happened.
If you think the Sex Pistols were a formula then you just don't understand the Sex Pistols, thus rendering any statement you make regarding 'punk' null.
detroit. the home of rock and roll, BABY!
that was a dj catch phrase there.
rob tyner said that the MC5 were punk before punk, metal before metal, and MC before hammer.
the sex pistols were a formula band. the ramones were real punk.
I'd say the Ramones and the Sex Pistols started punk as we pretty much think of it today.
All those earlier guys "proto-punk."
Early punk rock was really just speeded up, stripped down 50s/60s style rock'n'rool\\, y'know
j-man -
lol!!! just a stroll down memory lane. i miss insulting those guys. it was so much fun (until it got personal and even dangerous). but, sometimes it was actually ONLY fun.
ah, yes.... them good ol' daze.
later, gater.
ps bite me.
Now see...you know what this is going to lead to...Richie's going to come here sometime today and see these posts of yours...and he's going to feel the need to respond. And it wont be pretty responses. You KNOW that. And then we'll have to see you two fight again. And I just dont know if I can take that. Plus, your tossing out 'Frank's' name...
I mean...
Do you WANT Gigposters.com circa 2003 to come back?
Cause if you do, somebody needs to go get Seripop and tell her to get over here.
I dont know...if I bit you (not just in some implicated 'nasty' spot, but ANYWHERE) you'd probably react violently. Your Tacoma roots would come out...and you'd knife me. Then, you'd go to jail...where you'd probably spend the rest of your natural life. On the inside, I'd wager that there would be at least a couple of guys who knew who you were. 'Wow, it's Chantry!'...and as the word got around the cell-block...well, you know what becomes of celebs of any kind...you'd be a 'target'. Discretion would prompt you to get protection...and well...some of the things you might have to do to pay for that protection...horrible, horrible things.
So...maybe you should rethink this 'bite me' thing.
jermaine (aka - "j-man") -
actually, i think i picked that "bite me" thing up from richie goodtimes. he's just so cool that i want to talk just like him. nobody gets anything past that guy, ya know? he's invincible. so, i'm gonna be just like him and all that tough guy shit. ya know?
so, bite me, my friend.
ps - kozik told me richie is gay. is that true?
bad mood? how do you dicipher that?
oh, the "bite me" thing? i'm ending all correspondence with that these days. it makes me look cool and atuff and shit, like all the kids these days, ya know.
besides, "bite me" is a good thing, if you think about it. "bite you" would be a bad mood item. get it?
no, but we do have a city council.
they charge admission to the tourists and it scares the shit out of them when a councilman actually moves. hehe heh. it's fun to watch.
bite me, jermaine.
phil -
i know, i know. just being from that city makes you beyond reproach in the "tough guy" department. but, you have to admit, detroit is a shithole and it's contributions to the world consist of alice cooper and house music (and maybe a couple other lame bands. motown doesn't count. it wasn't really detroit, but some sort of mutation). oh, and some smelly crappy machine that polluted most of the world's atmosphere with archaic technology.
however, as tough as your shrinking city is (always in the top five for crime and all), tacoma was, back in the day, pretty awful, too. about the time i originally moved away from tacoma, it had the highest crime rate in the nation. and my neighborhood, parkland, had the highest crime rate in tacoma. so go figger, eh? drugs, death, destruction and lotsa bored drunken teenagers. it was heaven.
bite me.
you may notice i mentioned m&m's in a previous post....
do you know who put the "m" on the "m&m's"? (shouldn't that be something every red blooded american should know?) it was an old chinese gentleman from the 'old country' who spoke little english. he was the mars family artist and did all of the packaging for their products (m&m's snickers, etc.). his name was "wang" or "wong" (i foget). i met his grand nephew.
the guy who designed possibly the most famous candy in america (next to hershey's) wasn't even from this country.
i say, let's stop them ALL at the border, NOW!! build more fences!!!
bite me.
other items that tacoma can take "credit" for:
the wailers, the ventures, nirvana and soundgarden (who both lived in tacoma until they were rich enough to move to in mansions in seattle).
also, charlie manson learned how to play guitar and practice scientology from alvin "creepy" carpis (of the ma barker gang) at mcneil island penitentery here int acoma. his kid grew up here, too, when his ex wife and mother moved here to be close to him. in fact, meyer landky's kids grew up here under assumed names. the whole of tacoma was essentially a safe house for the old mob. but, don't get me started.
other tacoma inventions: the photobooth, almond roca, murphy beds.
i could go on and on, but you get my point. tacoma is the cultural center of the known universe, but nobody knows it..
bite me.
tacoma also gave the world richard brautigan, dale chihuly, and ted bundy.
and let's not ever forget that it is also rumored that tacoma is where the first flushing toilet was created by thomas crapper.
but that is disputed.
the latest slant on the history of punk rock (primarily as told by english critics and historians) is that punk rock began with The Sonics in good old tacoma, wa. if you ever bother to listen to them, it's hard to contradict that view.
just another little item we in tacoma gave the world, along with m&m's, flying saucers, frisbees, men in black, bing crosby, ky jelly and wd40.
bite me.
he's got a point , a more raw soul based rock did come outta detroit , everyone else was trying to be folk and sing about Abraham martin & john , with the exception of the Sonics
iggy is the man. i saw him a few years back and thought he would be all old and slow and shit. he has more energy than most 20 yr olds on stage. he's a rock god.
"alot of shitty bands owe the Stooges in attitude and use of the E chord"
A lot of frontmen for bands both shitty and otherwise wouldn't have a stage persona if not for Iggy.
The blue is this poster is pretty cool , it looked really good in the dark & rain . This was way better then the one selling at the show , which hasn't been posted here
Bayer invented heroin (cold medicine) and aspirin (pain relief) in 1898, releasing it as an over-the-counter medicine. They apparently didn't realize it was addictive.
Oops!
you invented heroin? i wondered who did that.
c'mon, now. everyone knows the stooges and the MC5 started punk rock. at least everyone from detroit knows it.
They were't there the 2nd night on stage , but standing next to me.
Dave it ruled , trust me . The stooges are a psych band not a punk band , free form moments daddy-oh
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