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Chris Williams  
Cats Cradle
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2007-02-26 17:40:57

Shellac Poster - Cats Cradle, Carrboro - Chris Williams

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BahrSend Bahr a message :   the only thing that led me to think this was one of jays was the text. the illustration is distinctly not. good work though imo.   2008-06-14 01:55:53
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   sorry for the typos. I was typing fast.   2007-03-13 12:09:24
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I see only a vary passing resemblance to Jay's style here. Certainly there are other people who's work is more closly emulating other's styles than this. Like, exspecialy the found art stuff. I guess maybe illustrated posters are more easily compared to other illustrators styles. Who knows.
But i do agree with Billy. Gtet a thicker skin. You won't last long as a proffesional designer for long if you don't.
  2007-03-13 12:08:57
ImJustRickGSend ImJustRickG a message :   Chris - listen to what these people are telling you, and roll with the punches. Believe me - this is pretty light. If you'd ripped this off, you would have been crucified. This is quite gentle.
  2007-03-13 12:03:32
scrojoSend scrojo a message :   perkins is on it ( good man billy ). wether this IS or ISN'T like jay's stuff is kinda a moot point....... there are alot of people who PERCIEVE it to be ryan-esque. so the choice is up to you chris. if you are cool with the comparison then continue on track if not, time to switch gears. either way i hope you keep contributing, great stuff. as for the critics......... one of the absolute essentials to being a working ( and consistently improving ) artist is to know how to take critisism. it's nice to get a bit of praise but the real meat is in a bad revue. it's either acurate and motivation/lesson to improve or so far off the mark that it's good for a laugh. one of the things i've allways dug about this site is the fact that it is blunt and i've gotten more than a few of those crits here...... usually from people i consider friends.   2007-03-13 11:30:47
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   I'm crying right now.   2007-03-13 08:53:45
perkinsSend perkins a message :   I'll add that you're obviously capable of producing good work that looks more your own. I'll also add that in the early days, a lot of my crap looked too much like Guy Juke's, who I admire greatly. One day I finally admitted that I was copping his style, and moved away from that into a style that sucks in a way that is more unique to me.
It bugs me a little- and only a little- that some of the blunt crit on this site runs some artists off. What really gets under my skin though, are artists with such fragile fucking egos that they only want to hear praise, and tend to close their ears to anything negative that they might actually learn from. It's not the praise so much as the negative crit that makes an artists better (IMO). While that crit could be more tactfully stated, the truth of the matter is that it's not going to be. Things will be said and comparisons will be made either out of your earshot or straight to your face, which would you prefer? If your friends & family are not telling you that some of your style looks like Jay's, then I'll venture to say that they're simply being more considerate of your feelings than some of your peers on here (like it or not, that's what they are).
I don't know you Chris, so I hope it's safe to assume that you're not one of those fragile crybaby artists that I just described- that you'll come to the same conclusion that I did years ago, work on developing your own style- and stick around.
  2007-03-13 07:46:40
evanmarnochSend evanmarnoch a message :   yah.. like, find some original material.. like housecats.   2007-03-12 23:24:55
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   Read again. I said it's to close to Jay. I didn't say it's a direct rip. It's just way to close to his style and the Shellac comment is because Jay is closer to Shellac than any artist on here. He is one of the few who actually gets permission from the band to do their posters. So not only is it too close to his style it's for a band he is very tight with.
My comment still stands, this is too close to Jay regardless of how little you come on this site.
  2007-03-12 23:24:49
fantasygoatSend fantasygoat a message :   If you care so much about posters, maybe you should familiarize yourself with the artists and designers currently working in the field, and try not to do stuff that looks like you ripped off their style.
Just sayin'.
  2007-03-12 21:57:51
GregorySend Gregory a message :   a tear.   2007-03-12 09:15:26
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Chris, with all due respect, the elements & style of this poster make it look too much like one of Ryan's. You don't have to freak out & run away, just work on developing your own style more & you won't be subject to that kind of criticism. If you can't admit that some of those comments are warranted, then I think you're in a bit of denial.   2007-03-12 09:00:08
creeSend cree a message :   A friend of mine told me there was controversy here, said some people were pretty much accusing me of theft, which isnít totally the case (with one definite exception). While I appreciate all the attention, itís this sort of attention that led me to a) stay away from gigposters for about a year, and b) let my API membership expire. To bring you guys up to speed, the comments started getting to me, so I stopped coming here, I didnít look at any posters by anyone outside of Liberti and Burns for the most part, and that was because I run into their posters a lot here. Bird Machine had a great holiday sale, my wife mentioned, I said no. Wife bought me Taraís book instead, Iíve flipped through it a few times. Iíve got a lovely, dusty old book called the Art of Modern Rock, that Iíve cracked maybe twice in the last year. If Iím guilty of anything, itís of letting people bully me into thinking that I was blatantly ripping people off. For the person in this thread who implied I stole this poster design., the poster I stole this design from is one of my own, the Catís Cradle New Years Eve show. The idea was that it was going to be the Times Square light ball crashing down to celebrate New Yearís. I donít know why I dignified that with a response since it clearly took me 10 times longer to type this than you took looking at the poster. Not that Iím against throwing some stones, obviously, but what happened to the ďif you donít have anything nice to sayÖĒ rule? Just asking, since one of these days these uninformed accusations might end up turning a really great poster artist away from something we all enjoy doing.   2007-03-12 07:11:11
ricaSend rica a message :   Must have been quite a gig.   2007-03-03 10:04:16
VonDadaSend VonDada a message :   I'm totally gonna start copying Ewing's style.   2007-03-01 14:34:10
EwingSend Ewing a message :   You're right. That's up to the individual.   2007-02-27 14:05:45
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   On the converse...wouldn't it be Jay's obligation to evolve further as an artist if people are copying his style?
Evolve or die.
  2007-02-27 14:02:23
EwingSend Ewing a message :   So far the comments have been supportive. If you look through the body of work, you'll see that Chris is improving each time.
I agree that he needs to go beyond his main influence now and do his own thing. He understands how to lay a poster out and the basics of screen printing. I'd like to see where he could take that.
None of us can speak for Jay, but if there are enough people drawing like him then he's at risk of making a living as an artist when a cheaper and lazier client will go with who charges the least for Jay's style. Art directors always consider the budget.
Look at Coop, Chantry, Pushead and even Hess. Clients are now hiring people that can work in their styles for less money. I'm sure that has affected them in more than one way. It happens daily in comic books.
You can learn a lot from copying an artist. But that should be done on your own time and not be passed off as your own style.
  2007-02-27 13:58:00
ImJustRickGSend ImJustRickG a message :   No, I totally get that.
  2007-02-27 13:43:08
crosshairSend crosshair a message :   I completely agree that it's obnoxious to post links to other posters in comment threads, to point out similarity.
But theft isn't the issue here. Nobody's accusing the artist of theft. The issue, as phoon points out, is that this and other posters suggest that emulating Jay's style (intentionally or not) seems to be an impediment to the artist developing his own individual style; rather than just an influence.
  2007-02-27 12:10:52
ImJustRickGSend ImJustRickG a message :   If we never did that http://ThisIsThePosterThatWasOBVIOUSLY_ripped.jpg thing again, I think it would be great.
I'm totally guilty of it too, but it's like we spend way too much effort calling out percieved theft.
I dunno. I'm cranky this morning.
  2007-02-27 11:30:10
kissandtellSend kissandtell a message :   2007-02-27 10:12:28
crosshairSend crosshair a message :   But, you're still commenting in the context of it's relationship to Jay's style. My point stands.   2007-02-27 10:04:18
ImJustRickGSend ImJustRickG a message :   I dunno... The type looks Jay-ish, but the illustration? It's dirty in a different way.
Ryan-esque, sure. But I can get behind this.
  2007-02-27 09:57:45
phoondaddySend phoondaddy a message :   Crosshair is right. Take it a different direction. Onefoot did a couple with Jay Ryan "influnced" type and now has a style all his own. Like Crosshair said, we all do it to a certain extent, but it needs to be a starting point, not an end point.   2007-02-27 08:36:44
crosshairSend crosshair a message :   I dunno, it's pretty obvious to me.
There is nothing wrong with incorporating the influence of other artists. We all do it to some degree. It tends to get called out more often when the influence is Jay's, because the characteristics of Jays work are so familiar and recognizeable to the GP readership. Is it fair? no. But that's how it is. If you ever want your work to be evaluated on other terms than "this looks like a jay rip," you've got to break out of this.
  2007-02-27 08:31:20
Evil Alice CorpSend Evil Alice Corp a message :   .....okay, maybe the "S" in Shellac.
but other than that, this doesn't look anything like Jay Ryan's artwork. no soft pencil lines, no squishy creatures.... and there's a lot of negative space.
  2007-02-27 07:46:07
a repeating loopSend a repeating loop a message :   i was quite surprised to see that this wasn't a jay ryan poster. i've certainly been guilty of ripping off my influences but... WOW!   2007-02-27 06:59:17
perkinsSend perkins a message :   It must be flattering to an artist like Jay that someone is so obviously influenced by his style. Time to break away though, if you ever want to be objectively judged for your own work. This one still has Ryan all over it.   2007-02-26 23:19:38
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   still too close to Jay. For Shellac even...   2007-02-26 22:56:36
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