Rich I complelely understand where you are coming from. Well not the South Africa part but I do live in Jersey which can't be that different, and I relate completely with "the process of stumbling towards an aesthetic." but I think maybe if you don't worry as much about the asthetic and focus more on the messege of the poster your own style will come through... bla bla bla keep it up
You are in a unique situation as the only printer right now in S. Africe and I can see why you are influenced by Jay & Dan but you need to establish your own look instaed of being kown as a second rate Jay Ryan. I'm not trying to slam you but try using these artists as a base for a style and develope into something of your own.
so....has anyone even considered the fact that it might be true that the poster is reminiscent of ryan's work, but that it might just be the point? isn't it true that in any form of visual art artists borrow from each other- both in the visual elements of the work as well as style, concept, COLOUR??? for god's sake....this poster incorporates many elements from different influences- as the artist admits himself. i like it, rich :)
this is indeed, not unconsciously, a Jay Ryan ripoff. The intention is not one of 'hurting Jay'- but rather one of paying tribute. Note where this poster is from - South Africa - i am the only person in that whole country doing screenprinted gig posters - and in terms of trying to establish some sort of design identity i don't think it unreasonable to use elements that i have recognized as being particularly innovative, in the process of stumbling towards an aesthetic.
Re: "dirty" style - Both of my favourite poster designers, Jay Ryan and Dan Grzeca, could be said to be characterised by the fact that they turn screenprinting (traditionally a very graphic, flat colour medium) into sometihng that is actually quite tactile - this single element is something i try and aspire to myself. I am surpised by the debate (or derision) that this has elicited.
Who gives a fuck? Jay still does whatever it is he does better. This isn't hurting Jay. It really doesn't matter.
Jay created his own visual language. It was inevitable that it would be co opted by others. That's how this shit works.
There are 50 'designers' out there who's work is interchangeable. That's OK, but this isn't?