i agree with richie on this one. while it is different then the rest of the series. the information displayed isnt large enough to grab the attention its needed for proper advertising. i dont want to say follow the rules of designing, i just dont feel this would grab as much attention as a poster should.
rbf
no need to defend yourself Dusty. Let people quibble over the bullshit rules of what makes a good poster, let them whine and moan about proper poster etiquette. The fact that it offends anyone who fancies themselves a student of design, proves you are challenging the status quo.
this was the first poser my eye was drawn to in the sheets of newly added posters. I too think it's clever and interesting. People usually want to read things they are not visually supposed to, me included.
I agree with Dusty, if this design was changed it would ruin the poster. Even though the words are small, it's really quick read becuase all you see is the important info. Thats the appeal, even though the type isn't large it's still easy.
follows no rules, type too small, doesn't look like a poster, can't read it from a distance, too simple, no skulls, completely unconventional.
I FUCKING LOVE THIS!!!
Great concept.
As a functional advertisement, I'm not so sure, as others have bickered about at length.
Still, my steadfast adherence to the principles of design would have never let such a great idea even enter my mind, so...
you guys seen "Neither Here Nor There" The Melvins Book? The art is all over the map. Those guys appreciate a wide range of styles. A ton of their album art doesn't allude to the sounds that are actually on their recordings. The swan on the cover of Stoner Witch wouldn't let an uneducated listener know how heavy Revolve is.
Their reputation precedes them therefore you can get away with this kind of poster for them . It has everything and nothing to do with the Melvins. I think it's pretty clever and a little boring. But it works. At 20 x 26 I bet it works just fine.
I really got under dutchies skin talking about design rules...
heads,
great concept...great poster. it's good to see new ideas...
and also, this richie dude is hilarious. everybody get him to keep talking...i hope he comes after me next...
"hey everybody, i'm richie, i got a problem with your poster..."
amazing.
I love this poster concept, but I agree with Richie - getting rid of half the lines and bumping the text up would have been more "effective".
Still fucking awesome concept!
"now look what you've done. you've scared off allen."
Nah, I'm just annoyed.
Personally, I might look at this thinking it's something else. Finding out it's for a Melvins show would be a pleasant surprise.
If you do remove melvins from the equation , i think it becomes a good, arresting poster.
It's of the times, the average person (potential ticketbuyer) would be stopped quicker by this as opposed to a poster advertising a melvins gig, by virtue of the cultural climate and being slightly more attuned to official looking documents that advertise "NATIONAL THREAT ADVISORY.
In that respect it works - the headline doesnt need to be the band name anymore so the image itself carries the neccesary message. Its a good poster, just not for the melvins in terms of what i think fans would pick up on as 'their' melvins.
"Remove Melvins from the equation.
We've been trained to look for this stuff. Others have not."
Good point. But does it not then follow that no-one, inlcuding the rube on the street and the Melvins fan, gives a shit about this poster?
I'm having less fun hanging out here as the days go by, which is fine, because the condition of my apartment needs attention. Got some papers n' other crap to pick up off the floor.
I would agree with that... but this appeals to and/or would be read by not just like poster artists/collectors but all folks who are attuned to the (for lack of a better word) subculture.
if the melvins need a poster to persuade someone to go their show, then that person is already an idiot and doesn't deserve to "get" whatever lame/cool concept is behind the poster.
i would stop to check this out on the street, even at 8 1/2 x 11, but i'll stop and scrape up gum off the street too. i'm very street "aware." if it's on the street, i'm interested in it. were any actually put up out on the street?
if I saw this hanging on a wall large enough, I would walk close enough to it to see what it was about. and while this is probably my least favorite HOS poster visually, it shows to me that they can bust out of the style they normally work in and I think that's great. and conceptually its really fun. outside of the aesthetics of it, if we're going to argue over who makes the best advertisements, honestly why do we bother with illustrations or design at all? the word MELVINS in 200pt on an 11x17 hot pink flyer would suffice to let people know they are going to play a show.
If this were the ONLY means of promotion for this show then I'd say it's a failure. But with most gigposters (with the exception of the small town all-ages Ukranian hall basement hardcore shows) bands like the Melvins et al probably have some other means of promotional support at their disposal.
The show is in Philly and I'm guessing there are people on campus radio stations, in free weeklies, on the INTERNET all talking about how psyched they are for this show.
This poster's fine!
Really? Are you anyone?
Cause I'd totally ignore any discussion you'd start about design.
I thought I knew way more about design at 23 than I think I do now.
Think about it.
"If you guys don't wanna talk about design with me then you should either stop responding to me or stop posting your stuff on a message board."
this is the funniest comment in this thread..
"needless 2006-10-24 19:35:40
it's cool because no one's done it yet...i don't think. "
well, similar... I didn't black anything out.
http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=26216
after further review, i think it works just as it is.
i probably would have added a bunch of un-nessessary crap that in the long run wouldn't have made it any better.
dude, why do you keep talking about design rules? I AINT PEVETO, no one is talking about design rules. Fuck a design rule.
I hope the band liked this poster. I thought it fit them and the tour pretty well. If the band doesnt like the way we design then they/moss shouldnt have picked us to do one of the shows on the tour. However, i think Moss has picked a wide variety of folks to do these posters cause thats what the band is about. Is this a big posters with a bright skull and shit on it? No. does that mean it's an unsuccessful melvins poster? I dont think so. I'm a fan of the band, have been since i was 13. And i think some other fans of the band have posted positive comments here as well.
i would guess that 99% of posters made these days never make it on light poles, in windows, on venue walls or anywhere else they should to properly advertise shows for which they're made.
piemel 2006-10-24 19:11:27
isnt the whole concept of making a gigposter to do something that the band will like/respect and the fans will like/respect and gets the message (concert!) across to that fanbase?
making gig posters shouldnt have anything to do with design rules or trying to do something different or trying to tell a gay alien story or trying to build your portfolio or finding a way to make more variants and call it fine art.
DUMB STATEMENT OF THE YEAR.
congrats!
isnt the whole concept of making a gigposter to do something that the band will like/respect and the fans will like/respect and gets the message (concert!) across to that fanbase?
making gig posters shouldnt have anything to do with design rules or trying to do something different or trying to tell a gay alien story or trying to build your portfolio or finding a way to make more variants and call it fine art.
word. i think richies is prolly alot more succesful as well. i wasnt trying to do something that looked like, i doubt i could pull it off. wanted to do something a bit different.
where do i say it doesnt fit the melvins?
i said that IF the band likes it and the fans like it to consider it a success...
and I also said that IF that were the case then I still personally think that Richie's posters blow this out of the water.
And I think Richie made a far 'better' Melivins poster than this Heads of State poster.
This poster might have a really clever concept... it might have some well thought out type considerations and layout stuff... whatever.... Richies bright obnoxious posters for the Melvins where the type is not following rules is blowing this out of the water.
Never forget about the band if you do a poster... if the Melvins liked this poster and it speaks to the fans than consider it a success... if not then its a failure... even if you sell 100's of them.... (hi Jermie!)
I never said I agreed with everything that Richie says... For example I dont agree that every poster for every band should have text that you can easily read from 100 yards... I have some kickass posters where the type is either fucked up small or illegible (Chantry, Kleinsmith and Seripop)... and I like those posters
If a band like the poster then obviously it is a success to that degree
My issue is with this whole notion that a poster can be called a FAILURE because it doesnt follow some typesetting rules that you learned in some stuffy textbook in art school...
Band likes it? COOL
Poster sells? COOL
Fans of that band like it? COOL
Type doesnt fit certain rules? Who the fuck cares if the above still hold up
that doesnt make sense rene. at least it doesnt talk to richies argument. in what you are saying, if we sell a ton of these and people like them then it = a succesful poster.
Richie, you claim to not have a problem with the concept just the execution. Well, if they were to plaster the word Melvins really big across the top or bottom it would ruin the concept completely. So, I would say that you neither like the concept or execution.
"as an advertisment the ladybug is a failure though, right?"
depends Herr Zachary...
during the Porn/Altamont show the good boys at F27 or Decoder Ring had this cool poster with the richie in gadybug drag on it.... during and after the show I saw plenty of people walking up to Richie asking him to sign their poster...
So in that case gadybug worked as advertising because it got a message across (not sure if it was a worthy message)...
AND in that case it also showed that Pevertoe can make a funny and effective Melvins poster.... even if it was done in pastel colors
Great concept, really cool "graphic design". But, if we're sticking to the "rules of posters" the type isn't big enough. And without "the rules" what do we have? Anarchy. And lord know we don't want that. But really, who are we kidding. How many of the color posters on this site ever see a telephone pole? At best they are proudly displayed in store windows for a few days before they are stolen. In that context, I think as long as they create enough interest to get someone to walk up and read them, then they work. Maybe "the rules" are changing.
As an 11x17 street poster, it don't work so good though.
If this were the 1920s I would see this as a failed poster (functionally). But it's not. I would see this poster in the record store window, assume that it were a poster for a rockshow, GO READ IT, then tell my friends about the cool Melvins poster in the record store window. I would already be going to the show because I had heard about it a month earlier.
needs more text not blocked out like "...Determined to Attack within the U.S." or, "No WMD's or Hamass and Cheese omelettes." i'm spitballing of course. but something.
thats a valid argument for sure.
I think it works on another level. Making people stop and want to read the type. Had a few friends see it and do that.
Im more interested in why you have no problem with the concept but feel like it doesnt work for the melvins.
But Micheal, if you're a block and a half away even reading glasses won't help. And if a Melvins fan can't find a poster advertising the show THEY WON'T GO TO THE SHOW.
i'm not convinced this failed as advertising. depends on how it was displayed. if there was just one stapled to a phone pole i'd pass it by thinking it was an actual boring public notice. if thyere were multiple plastered all over the place..... i'd definetely stop to check out all the info.
it's actually a very cool concept. not sure it speaks to melvins fans tho. most of them don't read so goodly. needs blood splattered all over it too maybe. it might have been cool to have some other words not blocked out also.
ok. design.
It doesn't function so much as a poster. Dusty agrees with that. And you say it doesn't sell well. Ok.
But I would say that it IS well designed. Even if it fails as an ad.
It's funny (is that the right word?), and if the text were printed separate from the marker lines it would be awesome to try and read the stuff that's marked out.
The thing that has made the Melvins one of our favorite bands to do posters for is that they are completely wide open. Anything can work, if done well.
try too hard to hate.
when did the melvins hire you as the queen of poster approval? you should hit them up and see if they need any help staying inside the box.
Richie is just concerned for the future of concert posters. I mean... look how illegible the psychedelic posters of the past influenced legibility today. You end up with stuff like THIS.
In person...it doesn't work. Hanging up...it "doesn't work. If it was an 8.5 x 11 flyer placed in my hand...it would, but it's not. So as smart as you people want to think this is...as an advertisement for ANY band...it fails.
Required viewing distance. 2 feet to read it. FAILURE as a poster."
Yeah... but it will be super funny when that big boxing glove comes though the wall and smashes someone in the nose.
In person...it doesn't work. Hanging up...it doesn't work. If it was an 8.5 x 11 flyer placed in my hand...it would, but it's not. So as smart as you people want to think this is...as an advertisement for ANY band...it fails.
Required viewing distance. 2 feet to read it. FAILURE as a poster.
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