"that piss me and michael and dan and dusty etc off. Saying the way we design is lazy is flat wrong. Saying posters in our style aren't capable of getting people to the show is wrong."
I think its crazy that in this whole argument / typing match you've allowed the side stand that says all "Designery" stuff is one way or another. I can tell the difference between Dusty's work and your work and AA's work. There's a huge world of difference between each of your styles, which is a really good thing.
jeph has talent and style, he's really growing.
From doing this Fistful book and having to look at EVERY single poster on this site, 4 times in 2 years, I can see how much some people are really growing in leaps and bounds, once they actually have a style of their own, like Mazza for example; and other people losing their style and getting lost cause they are distraced by what other people are doing. I have seen deterioration in some people's stuff, sadly.
Looking at all the posters here so many times you do see a load of crap, copy cat crap or really lazy crap, but every 100th poster, BAMM< it looks amazing. And its always when someone finds their style.
I've looked at every poster in the database 4 times a year for the past 3-4 years.
You can see people progressively grow or deterirate when you do that.
Only one point: there too many people doing the same thing, whether it is music or art. Copies of copies of copies.
always will be. few innovators but lots of copying. They truly great work will rise to the top.
Jeph you can draw your ass off. And you should get busy. It will be a long haul...; P
"it's the same arguement if illustrated posters are more 'valid' than photoshoped posters, for example. "
exactly. I will never take away from the skill illustrators have. I don't have to like every single poster but I know they are working hard to make it. You stick around here long enough you know who is working at it and who is phoning it in. Fisher, Jay Ryan, Emek, Goad, AA, Slater, Kleinsmith etc. are all busting their ass in their own style. All valid.
You didn't say anything specifically about AA or us but this whole re-dredging of this topic was started by richie over an AA poster he deemed to not qualify as a rock poster. So it all folds back to poking "designers" with a stick. We've all heard the same boring argument ad nauseam about how we make "wallpaper" and not "rock" posters and that there's no way they can be successful.
it's the constant barrage of comments like that and this:
"The problem to me with designery arty posters is that they look nice for the sake of being artfully correct, which means it was lazy thinking that produced it. To me, they look like they were copies from old art books from the 40s and 50s. "
that piss me and michael and dan and dusty etc off. Saying the way we design is lazy is flat wrong. Saying posters in our style aren't capable of getting people to the show is wrong. We spend hours pulling a concept together and choosing the right imagery to project that concept regardless of where those images ultimately come from.
Every time Richie or someone gets a hair in his ass to tear apart a poster those who work in my style do do we have to sit and take it? If I return and say Richie is a shitting typographer all of a sudden I'm blind and tasteless? All total there is something basically wrong with the type in Richie's posters and on that level they suck. At the same time they are great ROCK posters so they succeed. I already said I appreciate his work for what it is and just ask for the same in return.
It's a super old broke dick argument. We are all making good stuff depending on who is looking at it.
I wasn't saying anything about AA or you not knowing your audience and so on. Not at all.
All I did was say that not all of Richie's posters suck, like you claimed. And,
I was repeating what HE was saying about "a gig posters", not that I was saying that indie posters are no good just because they are indie and not rock.
If done my share of playing in indie bands too in my 50 years and I have thousands of records (from once owning a store, being a radio dj, and a reviewer) and at least half are indie. A great band is a great bands regardless of style and so is a great poster.
In general I like monsters and anything related to comics and mad magazine, that's my tastes, I dont like abstract art, it bores me.
I like style though, and I like skill and talent.
Again it is not reflection on AA's posters. I asked AA to be in the Fistful book cause they did plenty of posters that ROCK for rock music.
The problem to me with designery arty posters is that they look nice for the sake of being artfully correct, which means it was lazy thinking that produced it. To me, they look like they were copies from old art books from the 40s and 50s.
BUT then there are indie posters that are designery that really stand out because they were innovative, exciting, and fresh.
I think this is a great poster on a lot of levels. Type is a little wonky at the bottom but Illo is amazing and the colours fit really well so I'll give the type a pass
You are making huge assumptions that a poster like AA's new Hold Steady isn't enough to motivate people to go to the show because you deem it or similar styles to be "wallpaper" it takes all kinds to make the world go around. You supposedly know "rock" you don't appear to know jack shit about indie rock so why would I or anyone think your opinion on posters is the end all be all?
Lets see you make a poster that will get Bright Eyes fans of the ledge and to a show. Can I call you blind and tasteless if you don't think AA or we do a great job reaching the audience of the bands we do work for?
THIS poster is TOTAL masterpiece, Paveto.
If you think this sucks in any way you are blind or tasteless.
The only way a poster can pull in numbers for a club is IF it excites or stimulates the onlooker and gets them to take action (to attend the show).
It takes more than wallpaper to make a poster that would make people get off their ass and go to a show.
After looking at every single poster on this site, I'm happy that EF has a great poster legacy, only QOTSA, Melvins, and Cramps do on this site, most other bands have a real crap poster history to leave behind, even though they were great bands.
THis poster is one of the very best, sharp looking posters in the Melvins poster legacy.
Congrats on a skilled job well done.
A poster to be proud of!
I have one of these now. It kicks even more ass now that is has been folded in four places from being in my jacket pocket while getting crazy drunk at pops and the parkside when i was in SF a few weeks ago.
Yes Art, the free hand.
SpookyKook is me and Blind Craig and Drunk Brian Nappytimes prints 'em.
I've got like 3 of these left, Blind Craig has some too, I think, but I don't know how many. We'll probably have them there.