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DESIGNER:

Ames Bros

VENUE:

Tweeter Center

Philadelphia

USA

SUBMITTED BY:

Coby Schultz

2006-05-30 12:44:45

BANDS:

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RADAR :

this is so 2006.

2011-05-04 10:43:48

danstiles :

flip horizontal

2008-04-30 13:42:26

Iron Canvas Studios :

holy crap! PJ= yuck, poster= rules

2008-04-30 13:27:38

KULICK :

I feel like I have seen this design on something else before, I can't quite place where though?
any thoughts?

2008-04-14 09:23:13

uglybogus :

I got to hang out at the ames bros studio, nice fellas, purty posters. Especially the ones for the horror theatre play reinactment things.

2007-06-06 23:41:47

danstiles :

happy anniversary!

2007-06-06 23:21:19

allenboe :

Remember this?

2007-06-06 23:14:24

imatruck :

what did I miss?

2006-06-08 14:07:49

Beto Ramirez :

What the f...?

2006-06-07 22:36:28

perkins :

Like sharks going after a bloody tampon.

2006-06-06 09:29:15

vastagh :

why is this back so soon?

2006-06-05 23:39:44

evanmarnoch :

i think nicholas was basically only trying to hit on chloe with that last comment.. ;)

2006-06-05 23:35:16

boadicea :

To be "in" you have to be in like books and stuff.. most of the people who are "in' are not even on this site that much i think..

2006-06-05 23:25:26

El Negro Magnifico! :

"Once you're in, you can do no wrong." I've been here for a long while, but I'm not sure I'm "in". I haven't been given the keys to the washroom.

2006-06-05 23:19:33

evanmarnoch :

i believe there were many not impressed with this poster..

2006-06-05 23:14:13

Nicholas Wilson :

i still can't believe that gigposters has just proved itself a "boys club". Once you're in, you can do no wrong.
Since the Ames bros have done good work prior, they are not reemed like stu melvin, who was just a one off kid.
What the hell. These guys should get it worse.
Is Chloe the only one here with her head on straight?

2006-06-05 23:11:26

evanmarnoch :

haha, niice..

2006-06-05 21:51:13

El Negro Magnifico! :

I'm lyin'. I was watching Raw. Just tryin' to stick it to Rene. :)

2006-06-05 21:10:40

evanmarnoch :

WOW, what a finish! brutal that a give-away goal was the game winner... but wow cam ward totally saved the game at the end there...

2006-06-05 20:56:13

El Negro Magnifico! :

But of course!

2006-06-05 20:53:44

evanmarnoch :

hey allan, im watching ice hockey right now! are you?

2006-06-05 20:48:17

allenboe :

Conceptually I understand the flip of the image. It is to illustrate the attack of the "left" on the "right". And with PJ being so politically charged these days that makes sense.

2006-06-05 19:32:57

goad74 :

This reminds me of a Rubik's Snake.

2006-06-04 16:52:28

VegetableLasagna :

Hippies are so angry.

2006-06-04 16:23:03

El Negro Magnifico! :

:handsthrownup:

2006-06-04 16:19:45

seripop :

don't worry. i'll try to avoid any discussion on here from now on other than "cool illo" and "sweet" it's obvious that this isn't the right place to talk about design or the professional aspects around it.

2006-06-04 16:19:11

piemel :

if you are exhausted dont make such statements... its gay

2006-06-04 16:16:03

seripop :

not really. trying to discuss stuff on here is exhausting. you win , i give up.

2006-06-04 16:13:53

El Negro Magnifico! :

Take it to the PMs, dude. And don't tell me to "go watch ice hockey" or something.

2006-06-04 15:56:37

perkins :

That fucking 3 ball is pissing me off.

2006-06-04 15:56:28

piemel :

why not chloe? you gotta be able to back up your statement no?

2006-06-04 15:47:21

Gregory :

we're familiar with yr work jelle

2006-06-04 11:05:44

jelle crama :

btw, i rip off anything i can.

2006-06-04 10:25:35

J W Buchanan :

FREEDOM ROCK!!!

2006-06-04 10:24:38

jelle crama :

:-) sometimes its better to not know too much. gives a little bit more 'freedom feeling'.

2006-06-04 10:24:14

bicyclejoe :

"Besides, I bet you that 99% of the viewers here had NEVER seen the original art before and are only excited now because one person pointed it out."
Actually, I initially thought it was lifted from a Gary Houston Wilco poster.

2006-06-04 09:11:02

piemel :

"rene , no ofense but i i don't think you really know copyright law. "
awesome!
and why not?

2006-06-04 01:00:19

seripop :

rene , no ofense but i i don't think you really know copyright law.

2006-06-04 00:45:51

withremote :

I guess i missed something. Are those chickens?

2006-06-03 23:02:44

piemel :

Pedini... the bullshit remark refers to your elitist standpoint... are you the one who decides what is 'fine design'? .. the word alone makes me fucking getting a rash on my testicles. Besides, when we had this discussion with Chloe on the forums she did not recognize the influence of Emeks BTS poster (giving tree)... is it 'fine design' when people from Austin recognize it, or if 'poster artists' recognize it, or if gay handicapped Somalians recognize it? What the fuck dude... Obscurity of the lifted art doesnt make something more or less illegal/legal or ethical/unethical. Besides, I bet you that 99% of the viewers here had NEVER seen the original art before and are only excited now because one person pointed it out.
fine design my ass

2006-06-03 14:40:53

bicyclejoe :

"bicyclejoe=no posts"
What are you saying, Philaarts?

2006-06-03 10:55:04

Zach Hobbs :

Shucks.

2006-06-03 10:27:17

bmethe :

oh and BTW, zach, your new shit has been tight. not many people kickin' your ass these days.

2006-06-03 10:12:34

bmethe :

cleveland and grand rapids have been the best on the tour, so far. the others, not so much. maybe i expect too much from an ames poster. dunno.

2006-06-03 10:11:18

bdix :

it's sad more than anything else. and I'd just like to put this out there.... if anyone would like to pay a homage to me (god forbid), I prefer that you just give me cash so I can pay homage to my mortgage. or you could just keep any profits you make off of my image. yeah, guess which one I'd prefer more.

2006-06-03 09:51:18

Zach Hobbs :

This whole thing is totally wack. I actually think he redrew this whole thing - not that it excuses it but i don't think a "flip horizontal" is the case. This may be a misstep, and possibly illegal, but saying that Ames is disappointing lately is just silly talk. They kick all our asses.

2006-06-03 09:50:13

John A :

Who's "Colby"? Who is "Bee" for that matter?

2006-06-03 09:49:39

philaarts.com :

dunno man. bash this poster and lifting is one thing.. but to air personal business stuff like bee and colby did... dont do it here.. cant help anyone.

2006-06-03 09:48:03

bmethe :

unfortunately, i've been disappointed by alot of ames stuff recently. it makes me sad. klausen has been kickin' ass though.

2006-06-03 09:45:51

Sash :

"I'm Still Alive" is a good song. Always liked that one.

2006-06-03 09:42:03

Pedini :

"in a sense the obscure unknown part of your comment is complete bullshit"
Uh, no, its not. Have I ever been called out for using spot illos from 60+ years ago? Someone drew that shit and it belonged to them for a period of time, but its not "fine design" and noone remembers the artiste, therefore noone's panties are bunched when it resurfaces in a rock poster.

2006-06-03 08:53:36

Bee :

Barry - that really cleared the ethical questions I have about this poster. Tell me, is it the same answer you would give to the ebay/PJ/ Poster Bootleg question from a few years back? You know, the one where Sony pulled the plug? And, as the old saying goes, sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.

2006-06-03 08:39:20

robschwager :

...and that's why Johnny Thief is cooler than all you dinks put together.
Haw haw haw!

2006-06-03 08:35:45

JohnnyThief :

I missed all this excitement because Pearl Jam sucks !

2006-06-03 08:02:54

imatruck :

you're all under arrest

2006-06-03 06:15:30

piemel :

in a sense the obscure unknown part of your comment is complete bullshit
its just a way of saying that as long as nobody catches you stealing it wont be called stealing
i like this poster

2006-06-03 03:29:13

Pedini :

Rene in the case of Kozik, he was recreating that imagery, in his own hand and with a decidedly different feel. This image is just flipped and reproduced. I think the trick to appropriating art is to remove it from its original context at the very least. And stick to the obscure, unknown stuff.

2006-06-02 20:37:59

perkins :

We are the knights who say "ni!"

2006-06-02 15:10:28

bathroom monkey :

i need a new DVD player, i want to spend under 150. please help

2006-06-02 15:08:56

scott campbell :

say it ain't so, Ames Bros, say it ain't so

2006-06-02 14:14:31

evanmarnoch :

this is not a great poster..

2006-06-02 14:09:21

bathroom monkey :

um, rene, there is a thread about that already

2006-06-02 14:03:47

bdix :

somebody get Rene up to speed

2006-06-02 14:03:34

piemel :

great poster
any of you retards going to blame kozik for ripping off comic book covers and cuddly cartoon characters?

2006-06-02 14:02:27

Rob :

those fonts look lifted.

2006-06-02 13:55:30

connor13 :

"special Ed"

2006-06-02 13:54:16

bdix :

this won't be complete until Fisher chimes in.

2006-06-02 13:52:03

John A :

I'd like to thank whatshisname, whom I deeply respect.

2006-06-02 13:50:09

bathroom monkey :

someone bought me a copy of this at the show, now i feel even more special

2006-06-02 13:49:04

Tenebrini :

I have an opinion.

2006-06-02 13:47:05

VegetableLasagna :

Badlydrawnbas, everyone's getting a gold star for today. I might even make the class cupcakes for Monday!

2006-06-02 13:46:22

ferg2001 :

if you look closely you will see these birds are attacking the ceo of ticketmaster.
now dont you feel silly.

2006-06-02 13:45:54

connor13 :

ed is a narc mazn

2006-06-02 13:45:23

bdix :

Professor Dull of Repetitive State

2006-06-02 13:45:00

Badlydrawnbas :

"I'm going to bed now, i want to see at least 100 commments when I get up.
Now get crackin' "
Just wanna make VegLasagna happy and add #105...
Ripping off stuff is not nice.

2006-06-02 13:42:49

bathroom monkey :

i agree with connor

2006-06-02 13:42:34

connor13 :

FAYSH

2006-06-02 13:41:37

ferg2001 :

STFU GROOB

2006-06-02 13:40:45

bdix :

yawn

2006-06-02 13:39:43

phoondaddy :

Ames Bros. don't even live in Philadelphia. Creepy and Backhanded.

2006-06-02 13:36:32

Rob :

haha

2006-06-02 13:34:43

ferg2001 :

eeeevenkrooooope...

2006-06-02 13:33:55

8ball :

I don't know what the big deal is about..I just see a really busy game of lawn darts..

2006-06-02 13:32:59

bdix :

now, if they took this image and turned it into a flannel pattern.... BOOYAH!

2006-06-02 13:29:21

VonDada :

Flipped + color change = Eichelberged.

2006-06-02 13:22:49

allenboe :

"Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks."
So can we start bashing Shep now too?

2006-06-02 12:45:24

John A :

I have all the respect in the world for that other dude... you know the guy.

2006-06-02 12:42:30

jasoncross :

sometimes just ripping art is aeasier than actually being creative.

2006-06-02 12:39:15

VegetableLasagna :

What does that mean?

2006-06-02 12:35:36

the other ames :

Bee. By leaving, do you mean what you do after you're let go.... like leaving the premises? Sometimes fiction is more fun than fact.

2006-06-02 12:30:55

evanmarnoch :

um, yah.. seripop speaks the truth...

2006-06-02 12:23:43

swampviking :

I am not sure what I am going to do this weekend. I may go see Mark Kozelek on Saturday. Not sure though.

2006-06-02 12:20:14

John A :

I am also a huge fan of 'this guys work'

2006-06-02 12:09:53

VegetableLasagna :

I'm up. 87 comments, not bad.

2006-06-02 12:02:32

sungo :

I'm from BRY. I am here to subvert, undermine and learn about bacon.

2006-06-02 11:44:41

goad74 :

"That's my hand."

2006-06-02 11:32:44

bdix :

it's no russian stamp, that's all I know

2006-06-02 11:29:58

8ball :

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2006-06-02 11:27:16

seripop :

it's possible that they are from bry.

2006-06-02 11:23:58

El Negro Magnifico! :

"bee=no posts bicyclejoe=no posts" So they're not entitled to an opinion?

2006-06-02 11:22:57

seripop :

seriously. it's REALLY not cool to make $$$$ off of someone else's art.
just because it happens alot doesn't mean it's ok. like i said earlier , it's REALLY easy to "make" great work when you are plagirising. i'm kinda shocked to hear that the folks at ames , a professional design studio , didn't see anything un-kosher in doing this. would it be ok for me to take ames images , change the colors and use em in my own design work?
i guess the main question i have to all the folks who think a color change and a flip horizontal is enough , why go into a creative field if you have a hard time being creative?

2006-06-02 11:22:45

phoondaddy :

Face ballin'!

2006-06-02 11:20:02

philaarts.com :

ok then!

2006-06-02 11:18:59

Punchgut :

I'm Rubber Your Stew

2006-06-02 11:18:18

andydiesel :

yawn

2006-06-02 11:18:15

Dusty! :

yeah but you have 5000 posts about kelly clarkson i think your all in the same boat.

2006-06-02 11:16:34

philaarts.com :

bee=no posts bicyclejoe=no posts

2006-06-02 11:14:14

JohnnyJack :

I knew this looked familiar. But I couldn't place it til I read the comments. I guess they were struggling for a concept. Still no excuse. Way to obvious.

2006-06-02 11:11:55

Bee :

If it's happening a lot then call it out. I'm sure the estate of E. McKnight Kauffer would not take too kindly to this "usage". How much money doesn PJ make?

2006-06-02 11:01:10

steve w :

I mis-spelled vedder on a poster once

2006-06-02 10:59:22

philaarts.com :

somewhere eddie vedder has a tear in his eyes.

2006-06-02 10:57:30

Zach Hobbs :

I think this thing happens alot around here. plus it is really a great poster...

2006-06-02 10:53:01

Coby Schultz :

we're all going to hell.

2006-06-02 10:49:39

philaarts.com :

i take back everything.

2006-06-02 10:43:52

connor13 :

DRAWN IN THE NEGATIVE MAZN

2006-06-02 10:43:40

bdix :

CLAM DOWN, I FOWLED NO ONE, MAZN

2006-06-02 10:42:41

Francisco :

where's that fan again?

2006-06-02 10:41:15

steve w :

don't bash on gary

2006-06-02 10:40:34

sungo :

Shouldn't Gary Houston get some bashing as well? Or did he make enough changes to avoid scrutiny?
http://expressobeans.com/images.php?art=19909

2006-06-02 10:38:56

sungo :

There's some blue lettering in the bottom left part of the poster. Maybe that acknowledges the blatant ripoff, er, I mean "appropriation."

2006-06-02 10:32:43

Coby Schultz :

Sorry to dissappoint. I thought it an appropriate and beautiful image for a rock poster. My apologies, as I am a huge fan of this guys work and only considered it a compliment to him. Glad to see he has more than one fan. Always open for criticism.

2006-06-02 10:32:15

steve w :

I used to do a lot of this kind of thing. I don't anymore.

2006-06-02 10:17:41

bdix :

this is just FOWL!

2006-06-02 10:17:21

Delicious :

This makes me really sad. I really like the Ames Bros.

2006-06-02 10:15:28

newwavdav :

It's kind of ironic because the original E. McKnight Kauffer poster was once so widely known (and ubiquitous on college dorm room walls) that the image evidently developed a really negative cache among snooty artist types... like having an MC Escher print on your wall...

2006-06-02 09:37:42

perkins :

Never a dull moment.

2006-06-02 09:37:03

phoondaddy :

KIIIIIIIING JEREMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-06-02 09:35:27

dennyschmickle :

I just added this to my favorites.
EAT IT.

2006-06-02 09:31:49

El Negro Magnifico! :

"im glad im not standing near a fan." True dat.

2006-06-02 09:30:57

Michael Apparatus :

Well. Maybe there's a explanation for it. Maybe they had permission to use the art...or something. Just a thought.

2006-06-02 09:29:12

Dusty! :

philarts, sounds like you know of artists who dont get called out for things they should. I think that's yours and everyone elses responsibility on here to call them out no matter who they are so this type of thing doesnt go on...

2006-06-02 09:27:23

boadicea :

I was a big "fan" of theirs..
now maybe they will be referred to as the LAMES Bros ?

2006-06-02 09:26:14

Dusty! :

im glad im not standing near a fan.

2006-06-02 09:23:44

seripop :

it seems strange to get busted for something and continue doing it

2006-06-02 09:22:46

Bee :

It's one thing to be derivative or "influenced by", but sadly this is neither. Unfortunately this is not the first time Ames has been caught and one of the reasons an employee of theirs left their company years ago. (He disapproved of exactly this kind of thing). I remember a few years ago they had a poster in CA that was called out by several readers. And it doesn't stop there. I've always thought they were great craftsmen, but not incredibly talented artists. It's ironic that I feel the same way about Pearl Jam so I guess they are tin perfect company.

2006-06-02 09:18:06

newwavdav :

http://www.foyles.co.uk/foyles/display.asp?K=510000000386122&aub=Mark%20Haworth-Booth&m=13&dc=16.

2006-06-02 09:11:33

uncle charlie :

This is my favorite poster of Jim Franklin's

2006-06-02 09:08:05

philaarts.com :

i dont like inconsistency.... and bran muffins!

2006-06-02 09:00:20

Sash :

that's it. and you know the difference when you see it. one is clever and creative, the other isn't.

2006-06-02 08:53:43

jasoncross :

homage would be creating something new, that is highly influenced in style by the other...not taking the same thing, flipping it and changing the colors.

2006-06-02 08:44:37

uncle charlie :

damn!!

2006-06-02 08:39:05

seripop :

well not to sound like a bitch but i guess it's pretty easy to be "incredible" when you are using other people's work.
i don't really have alot of respect for this type of thing , no matter WHO does it.

2006-06-02 08:37:54

philaarts.com :

bump.

2006-06-02 08:34:37

dennyschmickle :

'least I'll admit it.

2006-06-02 08:34:30

Rob :

is tom a high end artist?

2006-06-02 08:33:12

bathroom monkey :

dave the problem is it would take too long to name all of the times Ames "lifts" ideas

2006-06-02 08:33:07

DWITT :

does 'high end artist' mean they've got a nice butt?

2006-06-02 08:31:36

Rob :

denny and his stupid fact.

2006-06-02 08:31:04

philaarts.com :

denny is a zelot.

2006-06-02 08:30:14

dennyschmickle :

fact #1: I have different rules for different people. Big deal.

2006-06-02 08:29:56

Rob :

i like the new PJ cd.

2006-06-02 08:29:40

bmethe :

so what do you guys consider "homage"?
(not meant to be snotty. i think the poster is not so hot anyway, rip or not)

2006-06-02 08:29:33

philaarts.com :

i agree chole. alot do, but alot dont.. and they are high end artists on this site.
i dont care either way, just the inconsistency bothers me.
ames are incredible designers. in my stupid opinion.

2006-06-02 08:28:48

strawberryluna :

chloe's right.

2006-06-02 08:27:54

seripop :

actually dave , i think most people get called out on blatant rip-offs whenever it's noticed

2006-06-02 08:27:28

bathroom monkey :

monkey wants star trek computer, hate typeing

2006-06-02 08:26:24

philaarts.com :

if the ames brothers are "lame" or lifters.. why do others get a free pass here as "great design"
whatever. you guys are retarded.

2006-06-02 08:26:23

connor13 :

~~~~~~~~~

2006-06-02 08:25:19

strawberryluna :

monkey hate clean

2006-06-02 08:23:56

seripop :

eichelburgered

2006-06-02 08:23:44

er code blue :

E.D.

2006-06-02 08:22:52

bathroom monkey :

lift

2006-06-02 08:21:59

Rob :

DAVE I SAY!!!

2006-06-02 08:21:16

strawberryluna :

TITHE!

2006-06-02 08:20:33

Rob :

LIFE!

2006-06-02 08:19:38

bathroom monkey :

i am SHOCKED that ames would life from someone elses work, SHOCKED

2006-06-02 08:18:33

Rob :

eeeeven floooooooowwwww...

2006-06-02 08:16:26

jasoncross :

the original print is far better.
It would have been far nicer to see a homage as opposed to an almost direct lift.

2006-06-02 08:08:52

bathroom monkey :

720 plus shipping and they are tossing in a test print and an "exclusive" print

2006-06-02 08:04:21

phoondaddy :

If a noob did this, everyone would be screaming bloody murder.

2006-06-02 08:04:04

er code blue :

720......that's dollars.

2006-06-02 08:02:52

slater :

they offered subs? how much were they? just curious.

2006-06-02 08:00:51

dennyschmickle :

I get it. It's like how they mutated the OPSAAAL logo to thiers on that other poster. Or something like that.
Although that print is kind of sacred territory!

2006-06-02 07:57:03

er code blue :

Flipped horizontal.

2006-06-02 07:37:56

bicyclejoe :

Or maybe the Ames Bros. are big fans of Gary Houston's Wilco poster: http://expressobeans.com/images.php?art=19909
Either way, another lame 2006 poster from Ames, and another reason I'm glad I didn't get that subscription they offered up in May.

2006-06-02 07:31:55

robertmethane :

Dig it a lot!

2006-06-02 06:18:56

VegetableLasagna :

I'm going to bed now, i want to see at least 100 commments when I get up.
Now get crackin'

2006-06-02 05:45:05

VegetableLasagna :

Vanilla Ice says:
"DUhhh. The Ames birds are flying in a different direction, Dummy. Why don't you go hang out with Queen and Bowie.. . ."

2006-06-02 05:44:14

phoondaddy :

I didn't realize this was a rip off, I thought it was just done in his style.
http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1157_art_deco/img/postcards/postcard_poster.jpg
What's the deal with that?

2006-06-02 05:39:29

phoondaddy :

Yowza wowza bowza!

2006-06-02 05:35:33

Kid_Caramel :

I always heard that E. McKnight Kauffer was a Pearl Jam fan!

2006-06-01 23:37:33