gee, isn't clear that I say stuff to get people to discuss things out in the open??
I've done it time and again, if it is not me it is Chantry or someone else.
Otherwise, we would just have a ton of "cool", "woah", "neato", "right on" comments and that's it.
Of course, DUH, I know there are a ton of great artists/designers/etc here, why would I want to do a 1,000 plus page book on Rock art (not just gigposters, I have to repeat)?
And of course my tastes are far broader than hot rods and monsters.
My person in the band, which I present here most of the time, is just a character. It's not the real me. So, is that clear?
I think it gets dull around here and I say stuff to get people riled up and talking about art - laying the cards on the table.
This guys poster has racked up over 40 comments and who knows how many views.
I think that's a very good gauge at how successful it'll be at grabing peoples attention.
A good poster (whether you think it's a piece of art or piece of crap) can grab the viewer and make them mull it over for more than a couple seconds.
This poster does that with flying colors.
Therefore I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could say this would be an unsuccessful piece of advertising.
people could say the same about electric frankenstein music. if you are gonna write a song, why be ordinary. why not make the best songs of all time.
if you are gonna pee your opinions here to these artists saying only 5 are good etc... BUT THEN PUT OUT A BOOK with tons of the arists in there..
THINK about it then.. your book is gonna have mostly BAD posters.. hmmmm... why would you want that?
im still drunk so, im probably gonna forget typing this.
kicks ass. nowadays, it seems that the function of gig posters as ads is less important than it used to be. i mean sure it's still there... but it seems people mostly find out about shows through the radio and/or local paper and/or internet.
What the Hell? Is everyone forgetting the difference between a poster for a show and a flyer?
I highly doubt this thing is up on telephone poles anywhere. A flyer is an advertisement, a poster is an art print to commemorate a show it doesn't have to work as an advertisement.
i live in a world of pencil envy...but this is not it. i CERTAINLY admire it on that front. (meaning i think the illustration is fucking insanely good) i tried to make that clear. but as a poster or advertisement for this show...i am not satisfied. its very hard to articulate that with this forum.
im an asshole i guess. i wanna walk by and see the old original napalm logo...or atleast the second squiggly logo and go...oh fuck NAPALM IS PLAYING!? thats me. im an old OLD (both meanings apply)school napalm death fan and a poster artist (by that i mean i have designed posters.) i hate the word artist.
regardless i stand firm on my opinion of this as an add for this show. a failure.
artistically quite impressive and beyond anything i could do. BUT - i'll take the old logo and a cheap xerox of an insert over this jumbled eyenoise.
as a selling point or as an attractive piece of advertising from a distance it is NOT. IN MY OPINION as a fan.
i do not think it represents EITHER band terribly well.
again i LIVED for ND from WAY back - meaning the hatred surge demo (before they were signed or even doing blast beats) up until harmony corruption when Lee Dorian left. so i AM a jaded old fuckhead of a fan.
i guess i cant make that clear enough. napalm death changed my life. very seriously. i heard from enslavement to obliteration when it came out and i lost my mind. it changed EVERYTHING for me. very literally.
SO - my point is...from a HUGE fan of ND...this may serve the NEW less impressive version of the band just fine and is again extremely impressive on an illo level, BUT....i dont care for it and is not what this fan wants to see.
ill shut up now.
again beautiful illustration...
not a poster i like though.
ps - i know nothing.
Thanks for the compliments. Thanks even more for the complaints. Criticism is certainly not the norm here. There is a lot to gain from Criticism and I would like to encourage it. I constantly critique my own work, the majority of the time all I can see are the flaws. I am only happy with a handful of my posters. I certainly don't feel I have it all figured out. I appreciate Radar's comment, that's the kind of shit that helps you grow and go in a new direction. Raindog's comments sound a little bit more like pencil envy, but they are greatly appreciated none the less. I would love to create a poster with nothing more then an appropriated image and some placed fonts, but at this point in my career I can't do that, it always ends up like this. Whenever I create a poster I have to put it all in, for better or for worse. Finally I would like to say that I enjoy doing the design and type treatments as much as I like the drawing bits. And while it often takes a back seat, I still consider the utilitarian aspect of the poster. So I find comments implying that my work is only art or illustration a bit off-putting. There are tons of great artists on this site, more then just a few. And I'd be the first to say my work can't hold up Sal's bold claims.
I think generally people take articulate, constructive criticism pretty well, whether or not it is "nice."
People respond less well when the 'criticism' is a statement of the criticizer's agenda with regards to content and subject matter.
Sal all your comments about function are well-taken. But you do have a certain bias about content. I mean, you do.
Again, this poster rules. Objectively.
All debates aside, I think this poster is tits. Nice Kreator type. The first thing I saw was the band names, so to me it works. Yeah, posters are a form of advertising, but they ARE art as well, and if you start a poster with that mindset, I think the better a poster will be.
I wasn't saying that a poster should be maximalist over minimalist at all.
You gotta do that it takes to make the poster work.
A gigposter, as opposed to an art print, is there to achieve one desired result: help the band/club attract people to the show.
One would think that a gigposter artist would know the audience it is trying to attract and the poster made would have obviously the elements that would attract these people.
After the show is over, it's an artprint.
i dont really care for this at all.
yeah - i can see ALOT of time and work went into the illustration.
to me - and not just from the thumbnail, which is a truer representation of what someone on the street is going to see first - this is just a jumbled mess and a failure as an advertisement on that level.
too much shit going on.
id kill to do a napalm poster though.
still ive seen xerox cut and past napalm flyers that have way WAY more impact than this over-indulged mess. i dont even like the colors.
im not sure why im entering myself into this debate. just my two cents.
different strokes i guess.
it maximalism, thats all, a good poster using all of the space, if he were really pushing it he would do something different now, leave some white space, we know he can do this lets see something else. but a good poster nonetheless.
Most posters are NOT meant to be art pieces. They are meant to advertise a show. They are advertisements .. not art. To even critique a poster based solely on its 'art' is stupid. Its job is to bring people to the show. Example: Boink-Awesome. It doesn't have to be pretty .. it just has to grab your attention.
"Plus everyone is so easily offended that they can't take some true constructive criticism that would make their art go the extra mile eventually."
Here's some constructive criticism for you: go fuck yourself.
With all due respect, of course.
You wish I was talking out of my ass.
People are always pussy footing to be "nice" that no one will really help people get better and better cause they are always glad ragging them.
Whatever, everyone knows most posters suck.
So, when something great comes along, it's always an eye buster.
I don't get the controversy, i think Sal made some valid points. I think as an artist you should be pushing yourself and trying to do your best all the time, my biggest enemies are sleep, eating and pooping;)
I guess the whole singling out the handful of designers that are better than everyone else comment could rub some the wrong way but I don't take it personally.
But whatever, Jesse kills and this conversation will only shine more light on a talented dude.
Plus everyone is so easily offended that they can't take some true constructive criticism that would make their art go the extra mile eventually.
A lot of posters are half done. You can do design style or illustrated style, both are fine, but go for it, be daring, get all up in it.
For example, the Print Mafia "window" series of posters are just as great as this poster, cause they went all the way with the idea they had and executed it on paper with skill.
yeah, but come on, admit it, a lot of people are churning out hack work and just coasting, they aren't in LOVE with the poster they are making. Only someone that loves what they are doing, regardless of what it is (poster, or something else) works on their skills and enhances their natural talent.
Why settle for just being good, why not be great? why not be exciting and inspiring?
It takes as much energy to do a great piece of art as a mediocre piece of work.
(Dwitt is of course one of the best artists)
(Ritchie? Is that a compliment you made me? I'm taking it as one.)
There are about 5-6 people now on gigposters that I can truly call artists and who have gone far beyond what other poster artists have done in the past, nothing they do is derivitve, always original, I am really proud of these artists. Jesse for sure is one of the best around today.