Actually, I'd say 95 percent of the tour posters in this series are merch, and 5 percent are for 'advertisement.' If you were a promoter, what would you do? Sell the posters for a nice profit, or send someone around tacking up prints that most likely won't affect the number of people that actually show up.
I think the only time I've noticed actual screenprints used as advertisements were some by Grealish, Seripop, and Kozik way back when.
well all i gotta say is that we did what the band asked of us, printed the posters and had them delivered to the club on time. If the club didn;t want to put them up in the club or around town that's not mike's or my fault.
If someone does another poster for promo only thats always fine with me. It only begins to be a problem when they start selling it to make money competing with the bands sales of the posters.
the posters on this tour are both advertisments and a merch product.
The agent comment was tongue and cheek. I really don't have an issue with an out of town artist doing shows for venues where he or she doesn't live. However, someone pissing and moaning about about a local "artist" (not for profit)doing a poster is BS.
W3rd.....or Mike Martin could roll his ass into Memphis and put them up....since it was his gig. Or maybe he could get his agent to do it. If the posters aren't gonna be used for local promotion, then they were made strictly for sale....see my first comment.
andy, you wouldn't believe how many clubs do nothing with posters that are sent to them weeks in advance. on our tours, so many awesome artists on here busted their asses to make nice posters for us, mailed them to the clubs, and we arrived to see no posters. on a couple of occasions we even discovered the unopened packages in the club offices. not all clubs seem to care. it sucks.
venues come and go here in memphis like nobody's business...last place, barrister's, the map room, so on and so on...in some respects, memphis's lack of support for this "metal" scene may have something to do more with the audience than the promotion. ive seen "punk" and "metal" flyers all over the place in the last 6 years ive been here...and all these smaller shows have the same folks there. maybe there's just not that many people here who want to go to the shows youre speaking of. maybe the people running the closed venues weren't so hot at it.
the high on fire show at the deli was pretty well attended, i might add.
I guess I lost the topic. what was it... yes, regional poster design is something I'm a proponent of. That is- in my humblest opinion it would be ideal for a postermaker to design for his/her area and carve out a niche and promote local bands and venues in additional to national work. The best current example of this is Canada-- it seems like every 2nd or 3rd kickass poster I look at around here is by a canadian for a show in Ottowa, Toronto, Vancouver, etc. Minneapolis too.
maybe i should have said that promotion for metal shows in memphis is horrible. i dont attend a majority of the other bands in this town due to my lack of interest in their music, but i know for sure the meat-l community and those involved in promoting them suck. ive lived here for 7 years now. if there wasnt a problem with promotion then why did clubs like Barristers and the Last Place on Earth shut down?
of the posters that i posted there are only two of them left up. one in the club window, which is the only thing in the window still promotion the show as of 01/12/06 and one in Last Chance Records.
I wasn't involved with the series but my spidey senses tell me that a lot of people aren't here tdo posters for shows with or without the band's consent, this is nothing new. We can't preach ethics on a case by case basis. I think the root of everyone's criticism here is that they like HOF but not this poster wether or not they'll admit it. Personally, I don't think a designer should promote bands free of charge but George here claims this show was unpromoted and I believe he believed this. So lets stop all the ankle-biting.
i think it's important to represent the city youre in first and foremost, but doing posters across the country is a definite plus. it's good to help out your local scene and become not just a "designer" or "postermaker" but a part of the family(ies) if possible. some cities just dont get a whole lot of shows, so you gotta search out the work.
zach, you're part of the solution.
Um... I always defend what I perceive as some kid making a flyer at the Kinkos copier (more like PS now) for a band he or she likes. George may be that kid or he may be some would be poster artist honing his skills with visons of doing this for a living. I don't know for sure which it is, but my point's still valid however. Poster artists going on about numbered series and some artist who lives in another town doing a poster for a show where they don't live getting pissed about someone local doing a poster is laughable.
I too live in Memphis and I found out about this show thru pollstar. So what's that tell you? I couldn't give two fuxx about whose "gig" it is to do the poster. Concert promotion is still the reason people do posters....right? Or is it all about how much it's gonna sell for on Ebay? Some of you "in it for the money" types are stinking up the place. Go trade futures on Scott Trade and leave the poster art to the folks who do it cause they're actually part of the scene.
in george's defense, there are NO mike martin high on fire posters in memphis, and the show is 10 days away. crazy thought, maybe the guy in memphis who does posters should of done the memphis stop? that way the posters could actually be put up in the city...
george, your comment about lack of memphis promotion is pretty much off target. i've been here for years. and i dont think your "friend" who told you there was no promotion 2 months ago(when you say you made this) had any clue what he was talking about. sorry, bud.
I didn't know about the HOF series until recently either, and I'm on here most of the time. This kind of irks me. Same thing happened to me when I did a poster for Audioslave. I asked the promoter/venue if anyone was doing a poster, and they knew nothing of the PNE series. When this guy took these to the club, shouldn't someone have mentioned to him then that there was already a poster being done?
Dude, who cares if someone else makes a poster to promote a show? The guy has been promoting the show for two months.
I could understand that there might be a problem if he were to sell them or something. But it;s not like you can have too much promotion.
i got the gig from a friend who told me that there was no promotion for this show. like a majority of shows in the memphis area, they fail due to the lack of promotion. i did a poster, if someone else had this gig then the club can take the poster down that i did and put up the other one. as of today, i still have not seen any other promotion for this show out side of this poster, and i did this poster over two months ago.
Hippies? Now I have to ask if you have listened to the band?
I'd also like to be standing around when they heard themselves refered to as hippies. That'd be funny.
In the end it's no big deal. I'm just asking questions. You can do whatever you want with your posters. I aint the judge. Just voicing my observations.
I guess it would depend on what car you used and how death was represented. The concepts on thier own could mean anything. Used appropriatly they would work very well.
A VW bug doesn't make me really think of HOF let alone any other metal band. Personaly I doubt I'd use a car for a HOF poster. If I did it would have to be a dragster or at least a muscle car.
and yes, I have heard them a couple of times.
actually i did attempt to fit them. when i think of HOF i think of things like death and cars and shit like that. inside the windows there are tomb stones from a multi-exposure picture. im sorry that it doesnt fit 100000000000000000000000%, but thats fine by me. its all a learning process in my book.
I've had trouble with halftones. I think I'm gonna go solid tones from here on out. I like the colors in this one. Can't go wrong with a punch buggy. Maybe make the type a priority. Not so loud. Or louder still but not helvetica medium condensed. Next time perhaps post a scan of the actual print.
its not really that great. this was a test to see if i could a) print at home b)use a photography that i took and convert it to a useable halftone. thanks for the c&c, ill hopefully get better in the future.