can't wait to see your new one. is it going to have a nun or a hitler? or a picture of you or maybe jesus? The anticipation of how much it will blow ass is killing me.
Basically what happened was a bunch of you design fags conceded to the fact that none of you know shit about making rock posters and are better suited to greeting cards and book covers.
Man...every time I make a HoF poster 95% of them sell at the show. Then when HoF get back to the bay area I get to see a bunch of your guy's prints...cause they still have stacks of them. Its fun.
I just had a fucking 2x4 hit my car window while going 65 mph... I am really pissed off right now after looking at my window with more cracks than pevertoe has ever sniffed and huge dent in my window frame.
fuck
aw!! i'm feeling all warm and fuzzy! this take me back to the good ole days here on GP. nothing from Art? no word from Vibe. and, sadly Speed's not around to tell us to 'fuck off.' i have some reading to do.
Apparently Photoshop CS4 will have a little Richie Goodtimes that pops on the screen like the MS Word Paperclip offering advice like, "STRETCH THAT FONT YOU DOUCHE!" and "BREAK THE RULES MAZN!" :bang:
Funny. I've yet to see a rule in any type license that says you can't manipulate a typeface after you own it.
If I continue to do so are type designers gonna be so butt hurt that they stop designing type and the type wells dry up like oil?
I can't believe I'm about to fucking write this but...
We pretty much ALL use digital type once in a while. And all those typefaces were designed by someone who wasted hours and hours and days trying to get all their letters to look right and have a good weight and all that shit. When type gets stretched it ruins all the energy they put in making that type shape and line *just right*.
Imagine if someone were to use your poster in an article and stretches it to make it fit better. It would look fucked up and wrong and you'd be pissed. That's kind of like when type gets stretched.
Look at me! I just posted a bullshit designery typography lesson on a Richie Goodtimes poster! Now I can die.
Really? Smaller.
Stupid bands always inconveniencing designers with all that darned info to put on the poster. I feel for you guys. Geeesh. I didn't realize how hard it was.
Jokes on you, douche. I can't wait to get home to pull out the piece of paper where I sketched this HoF treatment. Sure...I manipulated it further after I scanned and vectorized it and the revectorized it affter I fucked it up more...BUT THAT'S NOT A TYPEFACE AND ACCORDING TO YOUR NEW LAW OF HANDLETTERING...well blow me.
I dig this poster. It works for what it is. The type wouldn't work on a designery poster, but it works here none-the-less. I think that's what's most important.
dutchie if I had to explain you wouldn't understand. You've gone on this rant a million times. You like what you like. You never studied design so explaining why rules have a place in that world will never make sense to you.
Just claim down go with the flow mazn...
"Take any design 101 class and you will be told not to stretch type. Based on that criteria this poster fails."
That criteria is a load BULLSHIT then.... it MUST be because this poster rules
its obvious that your design rules make no difference whatsoever
so why have them in the first place?
"What if something goes against 'the rules' yet is still a kickass poster because it just looks and feels good? "
Then that's awesome. You asked a question and I answered it. Take any design 101 class and you will be told not to stretch type. Based on that criteria this poster fails. We all know that it is a success for a number of other reasons.
Too many variables to pigeonhole any one style on here and say it fails as a poster.
Richie started this shit by saying AA's hold steady poster failed as a ROCK poster. I'm just stating another viewpoint on why his work fails as a design.
Discussion?
I thought people were just taking a break from posting stupid stuff on the boards and bringing it over here.
Whats the problem with this poster?
Too much green huh?
Prove to me that this is any good! Bluster! Posture! I'm right! You're wrong! Put it in layman's terms! Opinion! Conjecture! Let me describe the opposing point of view and wait for someone to try and defend it! Argumentative! Wallpaper!
so what would a 'designer' do with this image to make a gigposter that follows the 'rules'
what type... what layout etcetera?
would you really change anything?
use your design rules and tell me what you would change...
and then show me if you can make a 'better' poster for this show
because accoridng to your ules this poster sucks
And for the record. I don't care about the "rules" of design or any of that business. I would bet that a lot of our work breaks those rules as well. I just know I like what I like and make stuff the way I know how. I've never said that we're better than anyone and respect the fact that everyone is going to like something different.
I totally understand where you're coming from with that argument piemel, and i agree. But those magazines are not around to gauge the quality of gigposters, they are design magazines, and they look for certain criteria because of the audience they are cattering to.
Our posters wouldnt be seen in Juxtapoz, because its a different audience. We wouldnt be hired by Hot Rod magazine to do an illustration because thats not our style. High on Fire isnt going to hire us to do an album cover. Different strokes.
"I'm pretty sure Richie wouldn't wanna be in Print or CA."
Right! That just it. Because it could possibly attract clients that he could not stand to deal with.
So, if you don't like the "designery" stuff...just ignore it as it doesn't really effect you or your world. Right?
Rene, there are other mags that show low brow work that would probably not put a lot of designery stuff in. It is all about context, mazn.
I am not a big fan of design rules. But, I don't know them so they don't effect my descisions when I make stuff.
zachery... you must be retarded if you think that design mags truly represent the best of the gig poster world....
dusty and pevetoe and all the others make GREAT posters....
but no richie goodtimes poster would ever make it in those mags... or plenty of others
piemel 2006-10-24 12:22:19
and design mags are lame because they are a clique that keeps their own cligue on top of the heap... following their own set rules and anyone that goes against it is not 'good enough' to be considered....
just looking at the posters that make it into design mags tells me that those mags suck...
Then Dusty sucks, Dan and Michael suck, Jeffy K sucks, Jesse sucks, Dirk sucks, Todd Slater sucks, Thomas Scott sucks, Erick sucks, Peverto sucks.... and I'll throw myself in there too.
rules, standards, philosophies, agendas, schools of thought, etc, should AT MOST be taken as suggestions. when you're no longer a beginner, they are AT BEST optional.
and design mags are lame because they are a clique that keeps their own cligue on top of the heap... following their own set rules and anyone that goes against it is not 'good enough' to be considered....
just looking at the posters that make it into design mags tells me that those mags suck...
HOSEJOB HA HA HA HA HA
Now that is hilarious. I knew I wasn't the only one who read it that way.
Then again this thread is so freakin boring and lame that anything could seem hilarious.
Hi Hosejob!
The type sucks because the rules say so... yet those very same rules don't apply for certain poster styles?
sounds to me that those rules mean absolutely nothing and applying rules is one thing but judging posters on those rules is just stupid...
what the fuck?
look at Kozik's NIN poster (Tate?Manson)... the type is probably horrible according to your rules but in my opinion it is THE ultimate Kozik poster from the 1990's...
"A PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET THAT THESE TYPE OF POSTERS ARE ACCEPTABLE?"
What kind of a statement is this? It sounds like it makes your heart implode because 'some' people have called this 'poster style/type' ACCEPTABLE????
fuck the design rules, fuck the type rules and fuck any standard or definition of a great poster.... there are no rules when it comes to a good/great poster.
This goes both ways... I think there are tons of great posters that use gay doves and fucking upside down umbrellas.
design standards my ass
Everyone keep following those standards and before you know it all posters will start looking the same with the same fucking clipart, same type and same layout... oh wait.... that basically already is the case....
What if something goes against 'the rules' yet is still a kickass poster because it just looks and feels good?
the thing is there are geniune designers of posters and copycats..
richie, aa, f27, methane and others are originals... then three are the people that just ape styles for recognition.
im sure of this.
piemel 2006-10-24 10:48:07
"peverto... this is what I don't get about you lot:
You say that the type is crap according to 'design or typesetting rules' except not for this poster style...
in other words the typesetting rules are a bunch of fucking bullshit akin to a matsers degree in wankery
something works or it doesnt... there are no rules and your comment about 'it doesnt follow the rules but it works for this style' is just stupid
typesetting rules?
Next thing and you are going to be like Dusty and tell me that Modern Dog makes excellent posters that deserve to be in wankery magazines and win lots of wanking prices"
You said it. you "don't get it" I'm not saying richie fucking off all type rules is a good thing. I personally think it sucks but a precedent has been set that for this type of poster it's acceptable. So I'll cut him some slack on a certain level. the type still blows and doesn't fit design standards. David Carson made the most unreadable magazine ever and people called him a typography genius.
You hate design mags so I won't take up that conversation with you dutchie
I love wankery posters...
I love rock posters
I don't like Modern dog because one of them acted like a baboon
I don't like typesetting rules if you can offset them by saying that for 'this style' they don't count
So you guys that think "graphic design" is "wankery"...
WHY DO YOU CARE?
So what if somebody makes posters you don't like. BIG FREAKIN DEAL. Go on with your life.
Or he could be like Zachairy and tell you that Modern Dog makes excellent posters that deserve to be in wankery magazines and win lots of wanking prices
peverto... this is what I don't get about you lot:
You say that the type is crap according to 'design or typesetting rules' except not for this poster style...
in other words the typesetting rules are a bunch of fucking bullshit akin to a matsers degree in wankery
something works or it doesnt... there are no rules and your comment about 'it doesnt follow the rules but it works for this style' is just stupid
typesetting rules?
Next thing and you are going to be like Dusty and tell me that Modern Dog makes excellent posters that deserve to be in wankery magazines and win lots of wanking prices
HaHa!!! Oh, man that comment was actually fuxxing funny. Trying to convince anybody that the style AA does is any more original than this is a FUXXING joke.
I mean... seriously.
no disrespect but the thing that sets AA's posters apart from yours is how recognizable they are. You are mimicing posters that other designers have been doing for awhile, it doesn't make yours any less skilled just less original. But you do kick ass.
people did tell you why AA's poster was good referencing design theory and you dismissed their answers as being "farted out"
Your type does suck if you are talking about basic typesetting rules. it doesn't suck for this style of poster.
You just suck as a general rule but not as much as dutchie and knuckles.
So Perverto can use the LAWS OF DESIGN to tell me that my type sucks...when it clearly does not...but no one can use the same LAWS OF DESIGN to tell me why the wallpaper designers are good?
Thats'a pickle.
You know, I orchestrated this little debate betwixt Goodtimes and my pawns at AA to find out where I stood.
Having achieved my goal, I now command Clay to take down ALL THREE DAMNING POSTERS. THEY ARE FAKE.
...then end.
I love everybody. mostly.
Richie is one of the first people outside of Austin I met. even before the first Flatstock. He's snugly and abrasive al at the same time. Like hugging sandpaper. It's a miracle ....
Jeph I tok Nick Butcher to a bbq joint yesterday that would make you kill TOm Standard...
I'd probably like Richie too.
But I don't think I've met him.
And he seems to like to call me names of girl's privates parts and things of this nature.
Which really isn't super friendly but I'm sure he only has love for me.
RichieGoodtimes 2006-10-23 20:39:08
"At least I actually LIKE Peveto."
and I like Richie. For Real.
And seriously our next round of new posters will make his head explode. We out gayed ourselves.
think about it...
I'm sorry you can't handle anything other than having your balls stroked, Michael.
Your last HoF Poster sucked. Your Hold Steady poster apparently is amazing.
And that's why you're a tool. Stretched type? My fucking god. You should have the same reverence for print making as you do type and stop distressing everything as a weak ass design solution.
You see I do know design. I know it really well. I know colour, I know typography, I know balance. I know that what is considered "good" design would never stretch type like you do.
Technically speaking you are a badass. When it comes to metal/punk/hardcore etc. you know exactly what you are doing. You couldn't make a modest mouse poster. Having to "design" something that "brainy" would go against your grain. I'm not saying you are a dumbass. Far from it you are a smart mother fucker but your aesthetic doesn't swing that way.
That is all cool too. we don't need every single poster maker working for the same band and making the same style. THAT would be tragic and super boring. I want you and Fisher and Jagger, Forbes, and Firehouse to make day glo ROCK posters. I want Heads Of State, and AA , and Jason Munn and Patent Pending to keep making "smart" posters for indie rock bands. and if one of us crosses over successfully then more power to them. Fisher has made designer type stuff, Chuck Sperry has done it, Kleinsmith has made rock posters and so has AA.
They don't have to do it every time out though to make good posters.
I think Richie makes outstanding rock posters for the bands he chooses to do them for. No question about it. Add the technical knowledge and process and they are not only really great rock posters but a thing to marvel at.
What I myself have learned over the five years that I have been on this site and part of this community is exactly what Stinky said in the last bit there. It's about the audience and knowing how to speak to them. That has been apperent to me for some time now. I just wish more designer/ artists would respect that a little more.
But, I am over crying about it. It just is what it is. People will do as they please. So, I just worry about myself and do my own thing in a way I can live with for me.
SUCK IT!
You don't know jack shit about 'design' Peveto. You make wall paper. You can't communicate on a base level for shit.
Too much brainy brainy. If you could stop thinking like a jackhole you'd probably be a better communicator. As of now you're just a fucking print maker.
I don't think Richie's posters are good. I think they are funny as hell. I think very few people know process as well as Richie so in technical printing and process execution they are excellent. Design wise they are average at best. But Richie knows the audience and he knows this will appeal to them and the band. I don't have to like it to appreciate it on that level.
This doesn't mean I fear him it means I think his posters suck on one level and are successful on another. He should acknowledge the same for the AA poster or any number of "designer" posters that speak to the band and their audience but not necessarily to him. Just because you don't know the music doesn't mean a poster is a failure.
they really couldn't if they wanted to though. that benc fella failed miserably. they really couldn't if they wanted to though, as big of an asshole you are on here, you make kick ass posters. the melvins poster for the memphis show is one of the best posters i've ever seen.
I like this poster.
Having said that though, I highly await the intarweb drama that will ensue over people who were butt hurt about the Hold Steady poster trying to get their kicks in.
*puts rapidiograph down, lights cigarette, and sits back*
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