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DESIGNER:

Aesthetic Apparatus

VENUE:

Multiple Venues

SUBMITTED BY:

Aesthetic Apparatus

2002-03-04 22:07:16

BANDS:

Volante

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dennyschmickle :

oh, brother.

2010-02-26 13:39:00

El Negro Magnifico! :

Man...I had totally forgotten about this.

2008-06-01 18:39:26

Nicholas Wilson :

randomized drama.
100th post.

2008-06-01 16:39:01

Cody Pomeroy :

here's a good argument.

2005-07-29 00:51:48

perkins :

It sure is pretty, has anyone said that?

2004-04-11 08:32:00

art chantry :

ha! popped up on the ol' randomizer!
ya know, even after all the trouble i caused over this poster and all the time that's elapsed since then and all of the crap that's gone down since then, etc. etc. - i STILL don't like this poster - and it's for the SAME reasons.
it's nice to know some things don't change.
sorry, d & m. love ya otherwise.

2004-04-11 08:17:49

ENothing :

It looks like a finch. :wink:

2003-06-13 13:21:21

Finch :

Nobody's asked the most important question (at least I don't see it) - What kind of bird is this?
If you say a falling one on a person I'm going to kick you in the balls! :evil:

2003-06-13 13:17:08

Michael Apparatus :

We actually quoted Mr.Chantry's comments on this when we gave our presentation to the Lincoln, NE chapter of the AIGA.
I too miss Chantry.

2003-06-13 12:07:26

jasoncross :

yeah...i think i hit a nerve with the book comment..hehe

2003-06-13 11:12:01

John A :

"my next book? go fuck yer mother."

2003-06-13 11:09:57

Cody Pomeroy :

"arty purdy masturbation"

2003-06-13 11:07:25

John A :

Art's comments on this are hilarious (and uncensored!), wish he was around these days.

2003-06-13 11:01:30

jasoncross :

ROCKS! and I made that first comment that gor Art all rilled up :)

2003-06-13 10:59:12

Cody Pomeroy :

the bird that started it all?

2003-06-13 10:57:44

Cody Pomeroy :

had to take it down, won't stay up and I can't put tacks through it.

2003-02-07 11:15:50

Cody Pomeroy :

methinks.

2002-11-22 12:45:17

jimbo :

Inspired by the West Nile virus?

2002-11-22 12:40:49

Cody Pomeroy :

randomized! and I have this one, it keeps falling off my wall though.

2002-11-22 12:39:59

standard :

not emu

2002-10-21 15:04:00

jasoncross :

Its awesome, its very worth the jabber...not to mention the fact its pulled off with 3 colors. Would love to see any of your work that is better or more technically unique, no really - show me.

2002-09-03 22:33:36

Cody Pomeroy :

I have this poster, it's an alright poster, the gig info is written in black sharpie at the bottom..It fell off my wall and has been on the floor for about 3 or 4 weeks now. I only picked it up yesterday when I moved my bicycles..uhm...yeh, it's swell and all, but maybe not quite worth all of the analysis that it's garnered.

2002-09-03 20:00:24

blake67 :

This poster must be great to have stirred up so many comment's... and like I said before, there are way too many unqualified self appointed art critic's on this site!

2002-04-01 15:11:25

JGex :

OK, nobody flame me..... I finally had to go listen to the band's mp3. The image does fit the band & the image is pretty, so AA did a bang up job.
However (ya'll knew there had to be a however) I think I would rather drink gasoline than listen to the whole album!! :lol:
The above is a personal opinion and not meant to reflect poorly on the poster or the artists involved in making the poster. Thank you, good nite!

2002-04-01 15:09:53

stinkbait :

"the band FUCKING LOVES:the design."
that's kick ass.
you all check this out too.
http://www.spoontheband.com/
Another great AA design that the band liked so much they made their web page out of it. Spoon is awesome by the way.

2002-04-01 14:58:42

Platinum Rich :

i look at it like this. in life there are all kinds of people. some nice and some not so nice. you can't change that.

2002-04-01 14:17:33

Dan Apparatus :

Oh, and if it counts for anything, the band FUCKING LOVES: http://www2.bitstream.net/~volante/ the design.

2002-04-01 14:17:22

Steve H :

i wouldn't go as far as to say he's telling us how to act,maybe, if u wanna split heirs then "be nice" could be construed as being told what to do, but i wouldn't take it that way,all rb was doing was speaking the voice of reason as far as i could tell,theres no reason for not showing some mutual respect and courtesy,even if our opinions may differ.

2002-04-01 14:14:11

Basil :

whatever dude. Look Im not gonna argue or nothing. The stuff that goes on here, lately is ridiculous. Alls Im saying is that the skermishes on this site always seem to be started by the same people, and RB is right. its folks just being loose with their mouths. But anyways, before I get pulled in...bye bye.

2002-04-01 14:11:58

Dan Apparatus :

HOLY CRAP! I leave for an hour 1/2 and this is what happens? Okay, Art is right, and wrong, about this poster. There is concept to this poster but it is admittedly a simple one. The band is name Volante (= flying.) It's a bird, birds fly. The pretty bird is falling down because the the band makes "the pretty music fall down." They are a bit more on the prog-rock side of indie which is why the modern, stark Helvetica type treatment. Prog-a-licious! So, I feel it emotes the band but is admittedly light on concept compared to other stuff we've done.Maybe Art just has high expectations of us (Heh heh, yeah I'll just kep telling myself that.) BUT! I'll admit that this poster is much more a lesson in making a pretty poster than a good concept. It was not only a test in poster minimalism but a printmaking test of creating a 5-color poster out of process colors. It's my new fetish, printing with process, and this was kind of a test for that. So, Art is right about the actual visual design of it. There, I'm done.

2002-04-01 14:11:51

Platinum Rich :

rb is right, people should act nice but we don't need someone "protecting" us and telling us how to act.

2002-04-01 14:08:25

Steve H :

i agree basil and rich,rb can't be a cop,he's too reasonable for that!

2002-04-01 14:07:36

Basil :

If more people would act that way RB said on this board, more would get accomplished.

2002-04-01 14:04:56

Platinum Rich :

rb-drop the superhero complex. are you a fucking cop or something? always hated cops.

2002-04-01 14:03:06

Basil :

amen, brother.

2002-04-01 14:01:26

rb :

BE NICE PEOPLE. You hate dealing with me? Ya think Im an idiot? Ya think I plug up the natural flow of good convo here? You can easily make me disappear. Give everyone mutual respect. Its NOT hard. Calling peoples work 'dog-crap'..and saying its good to some one whos 'lame-brained' is NOT constructive. Sorry AA guys, put whatever kinda spin you want on it, but theres nothing 'positive' about dog crap. Have enough self respect to not excuse that crap.
BE NICE.
GOODBYE!

2002-04-01 13:56:31

art chantry :

rich -
ok, for you. i'll do it. but expect a shitstorm, ok? sometime in the future.
art

2002-04-01 13:45:12

Platinum Rich :

that's okay art. but if you could provide an example of what works i'd be happy. it doesn't even have to come from this site. i guess i'm just looking for a visual representation of all the words i'm reading. also, i think people (not me) have had enough of the negative side of things. maybe some positive examples would be easier to digest. just a thought.

2002-04-01 13:42:28

rb :

um...OKAY Chachi
:-?

2002-04-01 13:39:05

art chantry :

rich - i didn't answer you because i started hitting through the posters and i can't really give a single fair answer. i'd be up all night. there are so so many great posters on this sight. and aa is one of my favorite outfits. they're extremely great at what they do. so, i thought, when i saw this that they were skating ond had done a semi-effort. on top of that everybody was reacting so positvely to the poster's sheer beauty that i thought it needed to be slammed. if every designer on this sight copied this poster, well, uhg! also, i figgered aa was talented enough that it wouldn't hurt them and they were getting lazy on this'n. so i pulled the rug out from under them and made them think a little. if you guys thought, too, so much the better.

2002-04-01 13:34:41

vibranium :

jeezus christ rb, they're trying to discuss something decently...shut the hell up and stay out of it neither party cares at all what yer saying.

2002-04-01 13:31:31

Platinum Rich :

art chantry, my question was serious. maybe you overlooked it. are there any posters on this site that "work" for you? you've been very good at telling us what you don't like. i'd just like to see what an example of something that works. maybe there's nothing here, i don't know.

2002-04-01 13:28:46

rb :

Yea Chachi...you were confused. Even I saw that ol Chantry wasnt doin THAT. No, all he said about your poster was (and I quote):
"real dog crap."
So see, its not that bad. :roll:

2002-04-01 13:27:28

art chantry :

chach (and john) -
sorry if you think i'm making a blanket assumption about your intentions on this poster. perhaps you made it beautiful by accident? unfortunately there anren't many other assumtions to make. it's just that you other work reveals so much more thought and analysis and depth than this one, that i figgured you'd emphasize the beuty angle, 'cuz it worked so well.
art

2002-04-01 13:20:40

rb :

ChaChi, I meant what 'I' said. Old bitter-bonez Chantry dont speak for me. Notice, in his surreal world, everything revolves around his 'heirness'. Anyone who vocally says in a post 'don't give me hero-worship'...yadayada when NO ones mentioned it...you see whats on his mind. Art, I dont need other threads to indirectly attack yer perverted self: I think Im doin that directly in other places. And dont think of it as 'attacking' you...
Im e-d-u-c-a-t-i-n-g you...
ya moron.. :lol:

2002-04-01 13:15:12

rb :

Mister Chachi, understand this: I aint 'pro' this or 'anti' that. Im not mired in the lil 'cliques' here...design this and illustrator that. Thats stoopid. I know what I likes, and I likes this. Im a fan of good ART. Period. I am NOT a fan of baseless crit...just to stir it up. Thats stoopid. No one here is an authority on everything and nobodys ideas/opinions are 'law'. Some folks here act like they have the market cornered on art expertise. Screw em. Thats whats wrong with you guys' field: you let jerk-offs like that constantly keep ya in an uproar. And the guy doin' it in this case should be doin more to help the field out...all you 'younger artist'. Whatever... Like I said, I like yer VOLANTE poster. Concept...schmoncept! Whos got the markets cornered on concept? Thats so, so...stoopid. Others posters youve done, I dont like that much. Its no big deal. Theres nothing 'wrong' when I throw a compliment where it's due. Im just sayin that yer work is your gut and soul, and dont ever take that crap from anybody. Baseless, stoopid rhetoric... ;-)

2002-04-01 13:11:53

art chantry :

chach -
he's not defending you, he's attacking me. but he's right, it is damn gorgeous. i also know youse guys work well enough to know that's all you really intended to do. and you succeeded extremely well. frankly, i can't do beautiful objects like this because my aesthetics are too fucked up. beauty is something i can't do because whati think of as beautiful has shifted to strange territory.
art

2002-04-01 13:08:37

rb :

There ya go Chachi. Thats YOUR work...yer 'baby'. Dont take that kind of baseless disrespectful crit from ANYONE.
Its a BEAUTIFUL poster.

2002-04-01 12:55:44

Platinum Rich :

hey art chantry, to be fair. what would you consider to be an "A" poster on this site? and why?

2002-04-01 12:42:40

art chantry :

chach -
i'm not your teacher. that's a role being forced on me by some others. i'll take it on, but it tires me out.
as for your question - i really don't know. i don't know the bands, artists, management, constituancy, market plan, blah, blah blah. maybe polishing a turd is all that CAN be done with these projects. but others on this sight are constantly presented with the same challenge and do wonderful meaningful work. it might not be as pretty, but pretty is only another tool...
art

2002-04-01 12:27:51

art chantry :

well, you all know i don't care for this poster. that be said, i'd give it an A+ on execution. gorgeous object. it's just that it's a c+ on concept. so it's another good solid B+ in my book. it's just nobody gives a shit about grades. i just think it could have been so much more...

2002-04-01 12:11:30

Pedini :

Would it be safe to say that fans of Volante would appreciate concept? I mean, it sounds as if they are a fairly "artsy" band, being of the neuvo-math-rock persuasion, and probably attract plenty of thinkin' fellers.
It actually sucks to think of some door-guy at a rock club scrawling info on this poster. But, yes, that's how it works. And fans of the band will most likely scramble for these.

2002-04-01 11:48:32

blake67 :

Who said art has to be so complicated... some of the best art is the most minimalist (in my opinion) There's way too many ART CRITIC'S on this site! It is nice though to see art stir up such emotion's.

2002-04-01 11:26:41

kolfacekilla :

i don't understand the critical feedback. i wish i could make something this gorgeous. i guess its cool to 'go against the flow' and say something is good, but has these problems. 'I like it, but..' if it was helpful criticism, ok, but this poster is perfect, so what's the problem. sit back and enjoy it. but that's just my opinion.

2002-04-01 11:14:55

smile :

im late to this posting. but this in my opinion is masturbation as chantry said. even in the words of the designer-was an easy poster. sure looks like it.
as for explaining a concept. its a poster. should relate to people on the street. heck the fans will come to the show anyway. if you are a good designer you make a design to attract patrons to the venue and to buy tickets (not the poster)
hope you respect my thoughts :-?

2002-03-30 07:03:39

lure :

rb: vibe is a friend of mine. and after reading through these posts, i can eliminate supersucker from your list of guises for him. vibe would not have been confused about this poster not having show dates on it. as for rich and niles (?) i dunno, maybe.....??? he's a clever bastard!

2002-03-30 03:22:00

rb :

Rereading my last post, it may seem that Im saying that Lure, Chachi, Vib, Supersocker, Rich, Niles are all the same person. Thats NOT what Im saying. A loss of points to me for not using propa punctuation. I was ADDRESSING Lure and Chachi's comments.
Vib/Supersucker/Niles/etc. are the ones who are all the same disturbed little boy.
'Sybil', Ill call him. :oops:

2002-03-29 15:57:45

rb :

Um, Lure...Chachi...Vibranium/Supersucker/Rick/Niles...all the same guy. Its no big secret anymore. A great deal of people here know that. All different faces of the same tongue. When Art speaks, ol' Vibe is always right behind...lately, in his guises. He knows. Its funny as hell...but a bit spooky. Does this site REAAALLY matter that much? Oh, Chachi...and Art was just goofin' on ya...huh? Pal, it's like that old man has ya HYPNOTIZED.

2002-03-29 15:53:38

jasoncross :

Has anyone thought about the fact that bands themselves have different appeals. Those of punk as opposed to experimental, electronic. Both great, but one may be applicable to a poster like this while one might be more suited for flaming chicks and guns. It does not make one better than the other if the audience is receptive to the poster and the Band itself believes it suits their aesthetic. And, one Band playing live does not connotate a gigposter any more than any other style of band. If the band likes it, the venue likes it, and further more, the Bands audience catches it and 'gets it' then I would venture to say that is success in the world of Graphic Design and poster art no matter what 'style' the poster is.

2002-03-29 14:42:18

lure :

you were a little too quick to take your shots this time, rb. art shit on it, but vibe didn't make any negative comment about this poster.

2002-03-29 14:32:15

Steve H :

Jim bob holstein :lol: oh yea,i'm all for having a concept in the poster,concert posters are to me the best possible outlet for an artist to experiment and to express him/herself,the works up all over the place in public and more people see it than work in galleries (at a guess)but thats just it,there are so many people out there who don't give a shit about art,but they like music!so when they see a poster advertising their favourite band all they're interested in is when and where they're playing,they'll see the poster but believe me,more people are into the music than the visual aspect of it and also,people into art i'm sure,are in the minority.conceptualise by all means but at the end of the day its only you and those in the know who it means anything to.cheers.

2002-03-29 14:29:47

Dan Apparatus :

RB, I'm not hip on the personal attacks and vulgarities that people use in their comments to describe or react to posters. I've already stated my feelings about this poster and have no intention of calling Art a dick or asshole or pussyface just because he doesn't like the poster. That's his deal.
As far as concept in concerned, in my eyes I like to have it. I'll admit that Jim Bob Holstein may not consciously pick up on it but I sometimes like concepts that are subtle, emotional ones that may not be as overt or hit you over the head as hard. Concepts that you can also "feel." wow, that sounds like total art-fuck-snobbery but what the hell.

2002-03-29 14:22:11

JGex :

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that, Nolen. Or maybe I'm just hanging out with really stupid people.... :lol:

2002-03-29 14:16:47

Steve H :

hmmm i'm inclined to agree with the poster mistress on this one,in that most people DON'T understand the "concept" behind a lot of posters,in fact,they don't even know theres supposed to be a freakin concept!ask my mum ;-)

2002-03-29 14:11:36

Nolen Strals :

PM, I have to disagree....I have average joe schlubs when they see my posters come up and tell me "Dude! I love the idea behind this poster! It fits them so well!" fairly often...so I think joe schmoe does give a fuck. Or maybe the average joe's in Baltimore are just more cultured? ha yeah right.
oh and supersucker....have you never seen a promo poster sent out by a touring band to promoters where the local promoter takes a fucking magic marker and writes the date/location/other bands on the bottom of a poster in the white space? see all that space under the bird? get it?
oh, and AA, nice work turning a 3 color pull into a 5 color print.

2002-03-29 14:06:06

JGex :

It's just a guess on my part, but I really think that 90-95% of the general populace do not care or get it if there is a concept behind gig posters. Most people don't look at things the way artists do. JMO, for what that's worth.

2002-03-29 14:01:12

rb :

This poster is BEAUTIFUL, by the way. Youve got to call that bullshit when those guys pull it. You guys were all over it when the illustrators got on ya: dont take it from these bums. Vib/ supersucker, dude your like a cancer. You stir up nothing but dissent here. Yer settin yerself up, bud. Believe me, several folks are lickin their lips and waiting. You ain't that clever. We know what the dealio is.

2002-03-29 14:00:47

rb :

AA guys: After the way Chantry and vib/supersucker have piled on this poster with baseless, minor, and, at times, outright insulting comments, if you all just lie there and 'take it' because of who these jerks 'are'..that'll be the saddest most pathetic display on this site so far.

2002-03-29 13:57:33

supersucker :

i understand "concept" just funny it has to be explained.
as for a tour poster. if i saw this poster i would have no idea what this was for or where i would see the band. ive seen many tour posters. but then again i guess as you explain the "concept" to people you could tell them where the gigs are too. :lol:

2002-03-29 13:50:06

lure :

no, pm, they don't.

2002-03-29 13:47:34

supersucker :

and what is this bullshit where you have to have a story behind a poster? id love to see wharhol explain his prints while people looked at them. :roll:

2002-03-29 13:42:35

supersucker :

late to the party. but a gigposter? shouldnt it have dates. what is it promoting some sort of bird disease? and if a gigposter, um-well enough said. :lol:

2002-03-29 13:40:17

JGex :

:lol: See? Fergie & Plastk "get it!"
::PM donning flame-proof suit::

2002-03-29 13:29:08

jasoncross :

Here,here! Ferg took the words right out of my mouth. It is striking, visualy stimulating, and one fucking kick ass poster, in my opinion - which works for me! These posters are not meant to save the world, join the peace corpse if you want to do that!

2002-03-29 13:19:19

ferg2001 :

"but i don't get it. is pretty enough here these days?"
for me ...yes. get over yourself. a band poster doesnt have to make some profound statement into what the meaning of things are. It is effective if i gets noticed. it that fuckin simple.

2002-03-29 12:17:09

Dan Apparatus :

vib, I think that being really close to a band can make what you design FOR THE BAND amazing but can possibly make work that doesn't speak as well to the general populous. Kind of like trying to let someone in on an inside joke is never as funny as the original joke. Y'know? (maybe this poster is that scenario playing itself out?) I personally much prefer working for bands I love although doing work for bands you love can also be really difficult. It's easier to make work that reflects the band a lot better but you can also work an idea to death because you want it to be perfect. I know that happens a lot.

2002-03-29 08:23:48

vibranium :

Art, AA-boys, et al. Do you think being too close to a band makes it harder or easier to be a better (effective) poster designer?
Pt. II --Do you prefer doing work for bands you LOVE as opposed to bands you tolerate/approve (meaning although you don't listen to them they pass your test of acceptable to do work for)

2002-03-29 07:32:15

Dan Apparatus :

Does this help any: Volante, as a band, plays music that mixes beautiful quiet melodies with rock noise — screaming, guitars wailing, that kind of thing. A little bit "math-rocky". Some people have grouped them into "emo" but that's obviously really misleading. Anyway, if you got the impression that this band sounds like someting other than that I guess this poster does fail but if it does relay at least a suggestion of what this band might sound like then I like to think it's successful.
And Art, it wasn't an AA-er that said we wouldn't buy your next book. We bought your last one and would probably buy another. We're not ashamed of our influneces.

2002-03-29 06:56:07

5Rock :

Tour posters are tough. This one can obviously be used for promoting anything the band wants to promote, which I'm sure they think is a plus. This can also be a downfall considering the image is so striking and pretty it may come to represent the band visually (if they over-use it) whether they want it to or not. I have this poster at home and I really like, but I will confess I chose it because I knew my girlfriend would let me hang it in the house.

2002-03-28 18:38:00

Steve H :

okay okay!!

2002-03-28 18:22:14

art chantry :

i glad you appreciate my vindictive, kids. aa - i love your work. absolutely breathetaking. this one sux. and it sux because it's pointless.
harry - when i say 'pretty' it's an observation, not a value judgement. anybody can do pretty decorative work. big deal.
aa- you obviously bought my first. i really don't give a damn if anybody ever buys it at all. it's not like i make a dime from it. they don't give money to the subject matter. only the author and the publisher gets any bux.
my next book? go fuck yer mother.

2002-03-28 18:18:56

Steve H :

you were okay about it earlier on art,has the moon come out over there yet or what?! :lol:

2002-03-28 18:14:13

art chantry :

real dog crap.

2002-03-28 18:11:08

art chantry :

everything a design should be - to a lameass grad school twerp. the idea is obtuse, the execution is pure decoration. it's pretty for pretty sake. this is the kind of work that sends me up a wall.
WHATTHE HELL DOES IT SAY TO ANYBODY ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT 'LOOK AT MY ARTY PURDY MASTURBATION!!!"

2002-03-28 18:10:50

art chantry :

2002-03-28 18:10:49

Dan Apparatus :

Basically, volante means flying or "passing through the air upon wings." So, it's pretty self-explanitory after that. The bird is supposed to look a little bit like it's falling or fallen. I didn't mean to make it just pretty but it's a bonus that it is because I'm one of those "over-conceptual-agency-jerks" so my concepts are always over-thought and meaningless to the general poulous.

2002-03-28 15:53:52

art chantry :

it's very pretty, even beautiful. it would look great hanging in my living room (a nice gold filigree in the frame).
but i don't get it. is pretty enough here these days?

2002-03-28 15:16:39

Dan Apparatus :

Thanks all. Although, I've always felt guilty about this poster. It's easy to make a simple, pristine poster when all you have to put on it is the band's one word name.

2002-03-28 15:13:36

Joe Konopka :

AA has done it again!

2002-03-28 14:59:38

KJ :

This is my desktop wallpaper right now. Very springlike. And its calming me down...

2002-03-28 12:52:05