Well, I'll go ahead and say that this is definitely not one my favorite posters we've done. I was just trying to do something different from what we were doing at the time by keeping everything really clean and structured. It's obvious, to me anyway, that it doesn't work all that well and bit too subdued for a bill that has Burning Brides on it. But, at the same time, I'm happy to have tried a new direction...even if it doesn't work so well.
yeaaaa....and i said: Again, neither is more important...AND...Niether should be substitiuted for one another, and both should be a goal. no?
jeez do i have 'kick me' writtne on my back!? Hey QB, we agree....
'Vibranium', you seem to have missed a part of what I said. Ill re-quote it, below:
"'Thinking' and 'drawing' are equally important. One shouldnt decide which is more important based
on their lack of excellence in one.
That happens lots around here."
One is not better than the other. They are BOTH important. An illustrator with no concept is as bad as someone with great ideas who cant execute them properly.
Look, Im neutral here. I dont want an argument! :)
philarts, honestly the last thing i wanted to do was agrue this old topic again. i was just giving props to jermaine for his candid and open-minded observation.
but, i'm AGREEING with you. we are all designers here, whether we illustrate our own art or not. and i'd agree, too, that's there's more pressure/responsibility/time committed when you have to do both.
my whole point was NOT to argue about this!
I know i sound confrontational. I'm not trying to be. QB, you have point but look at it the other way. drawing skills but no thinking skills? Ask any artist, they'll tell you ANYONE can learn to draw. ANYONE. But ask those same people who they admire and they'll tell you, the concept guys/gals. In both the art and commercial illustration worlds i've found this to be true.
Again neither is more important, if i stated that (I don't think i did) i retract it. All i'm saying is 'thinking', good brilliant thinking is rarer. thats all.
Niether should be substitiuted for one another, and both should be a goal. no?
'Thinkers' with no talent accomplish very little.
'Concept' without rigid execution is 'fantasy'.
Most great, world changing ideas have been thought a billion times by a million minds, until one with the flair to execute it properly comes along.
'Thinking' and 'drawing' are equally important. One shouldnt decide which is more important based on their lack of excellence in one.
That happens lots around here.
Hey, Reinel - please don't get me wrong I LOVE well done line work, etc. I have a closet full of yer stuff...stolen from Scott when he put yer site together...(gulp) err do you need those back? Please don't kick my ass :)
I spent days having to look at Scott and Larrys work...both SUPER talented artists. I would've thought that was the end all be all. Lars is a genius (I try not to toss that word around) but i honestly think he is. I saw him agonize over trying to come up with a 'concept' but saw him whip out line work that makes people cry. (not everytime, sometimes the idea came easy and he agonized over a line or shape, etc) it convinced me.
Even in art history...great draftsman did 'well' but the thinkers changed history, created movements, challenged societies thinking.
"mmmmm... I think it's harder to think then draw."
Ahhhhhhhh, yeeeeahhhhhh. I'm gonna' have 'ta go ahead and, ummm......sorta' disagree with you. The only thing I really give a shit about is the finished work. I love design oriented work as much as a great illustration. But if you believe "thinking" is more of a job than drawing you should try weilding a brush load a' ink and learn to draw freehand curves and with it.
because since ive been at this board there has been a distinction between designers and illustrators.
hence if a person is just called an illustrator as they have been labeled, sometimes people dismiss the fact that they also are a graphic designer. that is why i posted what i did.
which others agree with.
you can call it what you will... i did refer to it as the graphic designer -illustrator, because that is how they have been REFERRED TO here on the board.
seems more like you want to argue. i just stated that the labeled illustrators on this board are also great designers in my opinion.
thanks and roger out!
so we agree on one thing, philarts. there shouldn't be two camps. we are all designers here.
so why are you going on about "illustrators" getting the short end of the stick? when there's one group of designers here?
i think it's a matter of how you like to work. Realism, surrealism, cartoon, cubist, photographic. I think your all right. But i also like what lure said, it's the idea. As a 'designer' i like the IDEA, regardless of style. Oh, don't get me wrong certain styles will get me drooling. But i really respect a good solid idea. mmmmm... I think it's harder to think then draw. But both are very tough. a true artist will incorporate and respect both. And it furthers any institution (science, music, poetry, programming, medicine, etc) to inspect, analyze and critique itself. To improve and build.
that is my point lure, i dont think there are 2 camps... everyone is a designer, but people get on rants between designer vs illustrator...
hence why i states sometimes illustrators get the short end of the stick being labeled as such.
anyone who does a bw flier or a fine art silkscreen are still designers...
but to answer your first post here, philarts. i'm not forgetting that piece of the puzzle. i totally realize those guys have to design the type and compose the job once they're done with the illustration. that IS a lot of work. i wouldn't short change any of them on the amount of time they invest in a job.
i was referring the illustrator vs designer thingy, too. honestly, i didn't think you were saying anything about me, philarts.
there ARE a lot of comments made here about designers vs illustrators. but the point jermaine makes (at least it's the way i read it, can't speak for jermaine) is that there shouldn't be any dissension between the two camps.
lure i was commenting on the designer vs illustrator thingiee... i dont know why you think i am directing it towards you. just an observation. i just was pointing out alot of comments that are in the vein of "illustrator vs designer"...
yeah, i agree about both being designers-it's absolutely true. but i think (at least, based on what i've read in the forums) that the so-called 'designers' get slagged more- for using 'clip art'.
which also cracks me up. since i've always understood clip art to be pre-packaged, copyright-free, stock images. i think the majority of these 'clip-art' posters should be called 'found art' posters. i've never bought clip art. i spend hours upon hours scouring every type of printed material i can get my x-acto on. and i consider myself an artist, i just find that i express myself better in a different medium. i think it's really all about concept. and, by the way-this is a beautiful piece of work, so beautiful it hurts. i like the alternating iris openings. brilliant.
geez, i really don't want to get into one of those debates again. i was trying to keep this positive.
did you read jermaine's post here?
yes, you're right. we all design. that was part of his post. he also stated "that's so dumb to assign names" here. in a sense we are all "designers" here. vibe has pointed that out many times.
jermaine is thought of as an "illustator" and i just found it refresing to read a post like this from an "illustrator." argh, that labeling again.
drawing it yourself is harder. no question in MY mind. but the point is that's not all about the execution, it's about the ideas.
one thing that i dont get about this illustrator vs designer is the fact that you both design....
both of you wether clip art, or hand drawn, then layout a poster and act as a designer...
i think sometimes the illustrators get short changed, as they still have to design a poster after they hand draw an image...
not knocking "designers" but i think that by simply calling goad,jermaine, hampton etc.. as illustrators you are forgetting another piece of the puzzle...
the are designers too...
not to play semantics just something that i think illustrators get the short end of the stick...
now of course you can have the debate which is harder or more intensive... taking clip art and selecting the perfect item, or drawing it.. ill let you dudes has that one out
thanks, jermaine. hell, it's not even my poster, but i'm thanking you as a "designer."
leave it to jermaine to be the ultimate voice of reason and understanding. this guy gets it. he's open to all of it.
when i saw this get posted, thought "oh, shit, here i comes. the ultimate lashing for using clip art is about to happen..." instead you guys are chiming in and saying you LIKE this. very cool.
i like it, too.
i can't really answer for them, gooch. but if it's screen printed, no. some colors can go down VERY opaque. and they screen print everything themselves. so i'm guessing it's just 2 colors, 1 pull each.
i just got a bunch of stuff from AA, such nice stuff, nicely executed. and nice guys, too.
Hmmmmm... I would have to say that overall I like this one. I seems though that the colors feel more Fall or Winter than Spring to me. They feel kind of cool. I would think warmer colors with more life would express spring to me. Maybe you can elaborate on why you chose the cooler colors? I'm trying to improve my color theory and maybe you can help me here.
I really do like it though
Aesthetic Apparatus...very nice. Thinking 'Spring'. I can really see it, in my own way. This is SO totally different from what Id do, but I still like it. Im still pushing myself to really soak stuff like this up with no reservations...and really try and let it influence what I might do later. The 'design' crowd (thats so dumb to assign names) really has a lot to offer the more illustrative-oriented crowd here. Some of the illustrated posters on this site are so well-drawn but, at times, so poorly 'designed': theres a difference. I just like the whole way of looking at the world through a different pair of eyes...seeing 'Spring' flowers like THIS, in contrast to how I see a 'Spring' scene (my PROMISE RING poster I did recently). Really cool...
Lovely French Speckletone Chocolate. Do you mind if I get technical here for a second, AA? Did you have to do extra hits over the stock since it's pretty dark? I was going to use it but wasn't sure if the inks would be thick enough to get by on one pass ('scuze the inexperience here folks).