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2005-10-21 07:00:46

Ironhead Poster - Tour Poster - Rica

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john seaburySend john seabury a message :   Worthy of note.   2008-08-04 12:03:26
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   Randomized Sick! I have this on my wall at home.   2008-07-31 10:54:50
GregorySend Gregory a message :   says you white man   2006-11-19 20:00:22
steve wSend steve w a message :   nothing is inappropriate for josh   2006-11-19 19:59:04
GregorySend Gregory a message :   Josh Rickun i just got the art print for this in the mail - it is sweeeet.
- But is it appropriate? For yr walls I mean
  2006-11-19 19:54:04
Josh RickunSend Josh Rickun a message :   i just got the art print for this in the mail - it is sweeeet.   2006-02-15 13:33:01
sanmiguelSend sanmiguel a message :   randomized ;-p   2006-02-02 04:02:12
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   perkins - i didn't realize you were serious! solvin' problems daily.   2006-01-10 12:57:48
John ASend John A a message :   YANKONEYOUNG   2006-01-10 10:06:03
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Well, everything that has been said here has had at least one good effect. Ironhead didn't want this art, so it's not an official poster as is. My band (a rock band), however does. I'm sending Rica the show info soon, so the poster will be edited, printed and posted around Austin to promote our gig. Plus I'll ship some posters to Europe so Rica will have some to sell. It'll also hopefully make it into Sal's book now that it's official.
Paul Harvey. Good day.
  2006-01-10 09:30:55
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   there's a place in the forums for your BS trash talk PHOON.
  2006-01-10 08:29:57
John ASend John A a message :   CRANKYOUNGBUNG   2006-01-10 07:50:51
John ASend John A a message :   SPANKFUNYUN   2006-01-10 07:41:54
John ASend John A a message :   Why does Rene keep posting in the comments about how one shouldn't post in the comments? me confused   2006-01-10 07:41:04
phoondaddySend phoondaddy a message :   Pittsburgh 21 - COLTS 38   2006-01-10 07:35:55
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   good conversation is organic. if rica was upset, he'd say it or if anyone thought he was upset, they (hopefully) wouldn't have this discussion here, on his poster.
i love when a good debate/discussion breaks out in the comments as well as in the forums and in the chat thinger.
  2006-01-10 07:33:24
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   When controversy erupts again (and it will) maybe some forward thinking moron will take the conversation/arguement/whatfuckingever to the forums. Until then, this is out in the open for everyone to look at, and I don't think Rica is hurtin' at all for it.   2006-01-10 00:55:23
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Shit gets lost in the forums forever. Besides this has been "discussed" a billion times in the forums. In the comments it stays forever.   2006-01-10 00:54:52
piemelSend piemel a message :   This 'discussion' may very well be a 'good' one...
Whatever the case I think there are a couple of reasons why this should be done on the forums.. especially a 'broad' discussion like the one in this comments section
1) It is a generic discussion that does not exlcusively relate to this poster only.
2) The forums are a much better place for this because of searching and what not
3) I think its unfair to an artist like Rica if a great discussion that goes way beyond just his single poster is conducted on the comments section for his poster...
I said 'broad'
  2006-01-10 00:42:16
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Renee is like a Cop. Mr. Gigposters Police.
Many of the best discussions and most important info on this site has happened in the comments. Not the forums. When these things happen in the comments section it remains pertanent to the poster and how it all relates to the greater scene.
  2006-01-10 00:18:35
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Thanks, Rene.   2006-01-09 23:56:29
piemelSend piemel a message :   you are all morons
and why the fuck did ya'll have to have this 'discussion' in the comments section... keep that general shit away from people's posters because nobody can erase or edit shit here
  2006-01-09 23:48:12
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Coop didn't get paid for those posters he made, neither did Kozik. bands get paid shit too.
In America there is NO respect for artists of any kind and it is considered "playing", not important. So, people do these posters cause they love to make them, and if they are lucky enough the someone likes them enough to let them post them up and maybe sell some, all's well that ends well.
  2006-01-09 23:28:23
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   If you added up all the money I've made from posters you would laugh at me.
like as in a "gufaw" or a "chortle" it's sad.
  2006-01-09 22:02:51
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Most I've got for a poster: $50. That's CANADIAN funds, my friend. My paydays have been few and far between.   2006-01-09 21:55:17
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   Who Done How What For WHAT?
read how MaxFlo phrased it, to a T and multiply it by 98-99% of the poster artists here Tank. no pay, printing and funding that all on our own.
while you are coming home after hard work and THEN doing your art, so are the rest of us.
take a chill pill dOOd. dang.
  2006-01-09 21:42:53
John ASend John A a message :   I don't really have anything to add but I'd just like to say:
  2006-01-09 19:04:18
John ASend John A a message :   Wage my own attack.   2006-01-09 19:03:34
imagineSend imagine a message :   what the fuck is that guy talkin about? job in the poster world? is there any such thing?   2006-01-09 18:55:24
JoltedJoelSend JoltedJoel a message :   Yeah, I get a whopping $20 a pop (and I use part of that to make copies for the bands). And since I've done 4 posters in the past 6 months I'm going to quit my day job.   2006-01-09 18:51:57
VegetableLasagnaSend VegetableLasagna a message :   Word, the poster rock stars are few and far between. Even a lot of the successful folks don't make their entire living off of posters.   2006-01-09 18:47:05
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I don't think I have ever had a band pay me back for poster printing, so you are way ahead of me. I think I have only been paid at all for maybe 4 or 5 posters i have done.
I also don't do this for a living. I work at home after I get home from work.
I think maybe you have the wrong impression of how this works for many of us.
  2006-01-09 18:44:52
tankdoneoneSend tankdoneone a message :   im just sick of hearing all this , "these bands dont know good art", nobody appreciates my style". if your lucky enough to get stuff printed,(i pay out of my pocket, till the bands get paid for the gig.) just enjoy the ride.
  2006-01-09 18:29:39
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Well...someone's pissed.   2006-01-09 18:24:33
tankdoneoneSend tankdoneone a message :   bunch-a-whiney lil fucks. so sick of hearing this shit. you obviousely all have a job in the "poster" , "rockinroll" sector. you all get paid to do what you love. i, however, work in a mold making studio. i get to do my art when i get home, covered in plastic and smelling of solvents. i dont even get paid for posters, let alone get them published in books. get over yourselves and do what you love to do......... TANKDONEONE   2006-01-09 18:23:05
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Speaking of which, I just looked at a few thousand record covers in preparation for the history chapter of the Fistful book, and the same thing is true for all these record covers: about 10% of the record covers look anything like what the music of the band is like. The rest are total absolute crap that made no sense whatsoever for the band's music. No matter how nice the art was. And guess what? All the bands that had great record covers that were relevant to their sound are still around and the rest are long forgotten. Artwork by Pizz, Kozik, Coop, Alex Wald, etc, actually CREATED a new rock scene and sustained the bands, cause were buying the covers for the art too.
Rock artists and Rock bands when they work together keep each other alive.
  2006-01-07 21:34:15
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I think that Sal made some really great points. It's kind of nice to hear a person from the music side of what we do give us his viewpoint. Now people should just try to listen to him. But, they won't.   2006-01-07 17:54:45
needlesSend needles a message :   i don't find this offensive at all. beauty.   2006-01-07 14:48:43
perkinsSend perkins a message :   That's good to know Alison, 'cuz this beauty's about to be official for my band.   2006-01-07 14:36:29
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   my favorite rica.   2006-01-07 13:13:04
sanmiguelSend sanmiguel a message :   102 comments? cool poster   2005-10-27 03:26:17
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   I'm eating fig newtons.   2005-10-26 15:37:05
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   i haven't read this entire thread, but i have to point out that putting a censor bar on ANYTHING autromatically makesa it offensive. that's why it's a CENSOR bar. you can put a censor bar on a turnip and it becomes offensive.   2005-10-26 15:26:36
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Sal, check your PM's.   2005-10-26 15:20:20
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   i think the bar puts it over the top and reminds me more of old medical textbooks rather than kiddie porn.   2005-10-26 15:16:17
ricaSend rica a message :   Thanks you all! I don't have any poster to sale unless someone want a xerox. I have linocuts if you want!   2005-10-26 15:15:07
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Yeah, but fucking great linework in this illustration though! Very well executed artwork!
Almost Charles Burns like.
  2005-10-26 14:57:45
boadiceaSend boadicea a message :   does a few silly comments in a chatroom really sell more posters? if so, that turkey chicken poster needs poster of the week.. this is alright, would have been great though without the bar over her eyes, the bar makes it look like some braces fetish child porn art..   2005-10-26 14:48:36
john_e_warnerSend john_e_warner a message :   "My band is into little girls with braces"
hah haahahhh ahahaahahahahahahhaah
  2005-10-26 14:48:00
perkinsSend perkins a message :   My band is into little girls with braces. We play Motley Crue-type rock. Therefore this poster rocks.   2005-10-26 14:42:57
phoondaddySend phoondaddy a message :   Make her hair blonde and I bet Prussian Blue would buy it.   2005-10-26 14:34:57
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   I bet if she had a guitar in her hand it would have been neato! (just kidding)   2005-10-26 14:33:01
BoydSend Boyd a message :   I bet if you took the black bar off the eyes they wouldn't have been offended.   2005-10-26 14:31:37
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Well this was a great way to get Rica a lot of attention and sell some posters.
The band never said anything about it, suckers!!!!
  2005-10-26 14:31:18
RobSend Rob a message :   i'm glad murphy gets it.   2005-10-26 14:30:57
steve wSend steve w a message :   polka dots are oppressive   2005-10-26 14:29:40
philaarts.comSend a message :   "i had braces, they didn't look like this this but they sure FELT like this."
dont worry, im sure you looked pretty bad anyway.
  2005-10-26 14:28:54
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   I had braces like THIS !!! It was horrible !!   2005-10-26 14:28:13
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   do i have time to go get a lemonade before the feature starts?
as a feminist, i still don't get how this is "mean to women." obviously that is pretty subjective.
seems kind of a literal band name translation mixed with teen angst. i had braces, they didn't look like this this but they sure FELT like this.
  2005-10-26 14:26:30
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   wow !! 82 comments for this piece of shit !!! just kidding. Ho, You know me, Rica, huh. Wanna some chicken ?   2005-10-26 14:26:24
philaarts.comSend a message :   i just realized that rica is french.
  2005-10-26 14:26:03
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Yea, now I get it Thanx
This drawering does kick much ass
  2005-10-26 14:25:10
ricaSend rica a message :   Sal just did   2005-10-26 14:24:01
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Yea..I don't get the it was done for the book part Explain that to me Dave   2005-10-26 14:22:33
John ASend John A a message :   This would make a great Helmet poster, raisinettes please.   2005-10-26 14:22:32
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   No, they were interested in paying for a poster, if they liked it.
Both Tanxx and Rica are great artists, and I wanted to show more of their stuff in the book, to help them get more recognition. So, I asked them to make posters for bands that I know. The band would have paid for somethng that they could use later.
Anyway, that's not the point here. It's just the topic, not this particular exact case.
  2005-10-26 14:21:47
ricaSend rica a message :   a book about posters   2005-10-26 14:21:28
john_e_warnerSend john_e_warner a message :   so if it was done for the book how is it a poster?   2005-10-26 14:20:17
ricaSend rica a message :   I have you all buddies!   2005-10-26 14:20:13
philaarts.comSend a message :   right. so you get NOTHING. woooo!
  2005-10-26 14:18:20
ricaSend rica a message :   No it was just for the book   2005-10-26 14:17:18
steve wSend steve w a message :   :cricketschirping:   2005-10-26 14:16:19
seriplopSend seriplop a message :   were the band even paying for the art?   2005-10-26 14:09:47
ricaSend rica a message :   sal, how can you say I didn't understand when we write the same thing?!   2005-10-26 14:04:18
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   huhuhuuhuhuh   2005-10-26 13:58:44
ricaSend rica a message :   no prob, I'm honored!   2005-10-26 13:57:37
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Uh... I feel totaly stupid. I never bothered to look at who the designer was because I thought it was Tanxxx.
Sorry Rica
  2005-10-26 13:55:42
steve wSend steve w a message :   tell me about it   2005-10-26 13:54:08
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Well Dave, all any artist had to do is show the rough draft to the band and ask them if that is going in the direction they want.
If the artist doesn't like that direction, then they can say go get someone else to do it, or they can change it or do something different.
  2005-10-26 13:54:07
philaarts.comSend a message :   kill fees rule... but alot of the time, bands dont honor them.   2005-10-26 13:53:43
phoondaddySend phoondaddy a message :   Painful to women?
  2005-10-26 13:53:10
steve wSend steve w a message :   sal, I'd like you to meet a dead horse dead horse, sal.   2005-10-26 13:53:01
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Piemel, being offensive is not the issue here, it could have been super dirty and offensive and the band would have liked it, if it represented them in some way, not some arbitrary way.
Anyways, I'm doing all the discussing about this, the band just said nope when they saw it and that's that. I'm just using this an example of something i think is important that many people ignore.
Rica is super talents and the art is totally great, that is not the issue here nor if the poster is offensive, cause that wasn't important to anyone.
  2005-10-26 13:51:26
steve wSend steve w a message :   kill fee   2005-10-26 13:50:54
philaarts.comSend a message :   im sure rica was getting mad bling for this poster too... works both ways..
when a band says "NO" after they put in good time etc.. most of the time they dont even get a paycheck.
works both ways... doing band work can backfire.. then what?
i agree with myself.
  2005-10-26 13:50:05
RobSend Rob a message :   maybe she's wearing iron braces and headgear.   2005-10-26 13:49:43
piemelSend piemel a message :   'offensive' has become the biggest crime in amerika.... even artists have become cry-babies
  2005-10-26 13:47:09
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   That's the whole point, when a poser is irrelevant to the band, its just an art print passed off as a gigposter.   2005-10-26 13:46:42
ricaSend rica a message :   The band doesn't like it and want something else. I'm ok with that but i'm not gonna do that something else. Of course they're right not to print it if they don't like it, ot if it doesn't fit!   2005-10-26 13:46:21
imagineSend imagine a message :   i understand what sal is saying. and can understand what the band is saying. and if it were just for a single gig and its off the mark its not that big a deal, its one show. butt for a tour i can understand if the band isnt into it and doesnt wanna use it for every city. i still like it and the beauty of this poster is, all you need to do to make it an art print is chop off the bottom. snip snip and its salvaged no harm no foul the band doesn't use it and the artist has an art print   2005-10-26 13:40:50
guyburSend guybur a message :   it's a nice piece of drawing and the band thinks so but:
-if they don't want it for them then they don't want it. (i think they are seeing Helllraiser or some stuff instead of what is there: braces. And they can't get around their first impression. Oh well. But we all know that these things are for bands and if the band don't think it's 'them' then that's that, pretty much, right?
-second: i have found that bands are often have really uncreative ideas about their own image. realllllly boring and safe ideas often come from the most 'edgy' band types. Show them this same exact thing in pink and yellow and green and see how they think. Perhaps they would like yet another flaming skull or a hammer with lipstick or or or
the best thing to do is say 'oh well' and go have some coffee.
bands mostly never get to say anything about all these posters we do and can be happy or sad or ambivalent about the result when they show up to gig and see it, so when they DO get to say yes or no, then you have to just abide and not complain too loudly outside your head.
  2005-10-26 13:40:09
steve wSend steve w a message :   I'm booked for the next 40 days.   2005-10-26 13:39:37
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Fuck it, I give up.
No one here can carry a series conversation about an important topic.
Forget it all about, sorry I even bothered.
Keep playing games while like Stainboy, Johnny Crap, Dirty Donny, and so on will always be in strong demand by customers, and others will be long forgotten.
  2005-10-26 13:38:11
steve wSend steve w a message :   wait. why was the gorilla in the refrigerator again? duuuh.   2005-10-26 13:35:48
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   The poster Rica did for my EF show, EXACTLY is perfect for us, for what EF represents.
Is it wrong to expect that again?
  2005-10-26 13:34:51
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   if they're an all female band, then it very well could fit them, like they coulda been geeky kids. a lot of metalheads were.   2005-10-26 13:34:12
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   yes, we all agree. End of the story ?   2005-10-26 13:33:20
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   Rica, please don't be mad, cause I'm not talking directly to you about this (especially cause I know that you don't believe me at all, I really don't think that you see what I mean) But rather I am discussing this TOPIC about making relevant posters to the other people here. I think that the topic is one of the most important ones for a gigposter. Someone could have no talent at all (ha, many people show that!) and still can make a poster that totally fits the gig and succeeds over someone with a lot of talent.   2005-10-26 13:32:54
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   If this poster was shown here without any band name on the bottom, everyone me included would love it just as much as they do now.
But, in the context of it being an Ironhead poster, it doesn't work.
There are lots of ways someone could have done a play with the Ironhead name that still would fit a hard rock band.
A little girl being tortured by her teeth doesn't do that.
  2005-10-26 13:29:45
ricaSend rica a message :   Don't ask tanxx why I'm "selfish and egotistical" please. I understood that it was not doing the job!!! OK! It's just not gonna be in the book or an IRONHEAD poster! Good!Don't have to explain me 500 times something I agreed in the first mail I sent you!   2005-10-26 13:29:20
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   tanxx, your Golden Gods poster was a clever way to show literal Golden Gods in the statues and you added sunglasses to their images to make it more "rock" "cool" "glammy" like the band's image.
I gave both of you the band's URLs so that you both could see their websites and what they were about.
  2005-10-26 13:26:20
RobSend Rob a message :   are these signed and numbered? if so, i'll take #26.   2005-10-26 13:23:29
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   tanxxx I really don't get how Rica is selfish ?!
I'm not trying to offend him, I am tryng to explain, as any customer would explain, that if you give me something that ONLY you like instead of something I like then it is not doing the job.
It is selfish, as in egotistical, to just stick a bands' name on a piece of art, no matter how great it is drawn.
Tanxx, every one of your posters fit the sound/feeling/image of the bands you are making them for. You understand that connection.
If someone is new at making gigposter and they don't understand that connection, should it be said to them?
SOME bands have no distinct ROCK image, so a poster like this could be PERFECT for them, like say Nine Inch Nails, Slipknot, Korn, etc. Would this poster make sense for Danzig or Cheap Trick or Motley Crue? No, cause they have a different image that is more narrowly focused
  2005-10-26 13:23:11
phoondaddySend phoondaddy a message :   and please tell IRONHEAD that I'd like to hear TOO FAST FOR LOVE!   2005-10-26 13:23:04
steve wSend steve w a message :   This really fits the name "ironhead" though. maybe they should cange the band name to something that fits their sound. (another joke, sal)   2005-10-26 13:22:59
ricaSend rica a message :   Perkins< sendme an email? Sal< I'm ok with you when you say if the band doesn't like it they just don't use it (or you for the book). I cared about what you or them would have to tell me about it(but they didn't answered my mail), I just don't agree with what you said about exciting rock posters. All I told you is that those posters where my answers (to "make an IRONHEAD" poster), and if they or you want someone else's answer , good! There's no problem.   2005-10-26 13:22:53
phoondaddySend phoondaddy a message :   Aren't we all morons? We come on here everyday and argue about the same stuff.
  2005-10-26 13:22:09
John ASend John A a message :   I heart Helmet.   2005-10-26 13:20:56
steve wSend steve w a message :   it was an obvious joke, sal. I couldn't agree more, ya moron.   2005-10-26 13:20:39
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   but Sal... excuse me, but mu Golden Gods poster is not more 'rock' than this one...   2005-10-26 13:19:24
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   steve w these ironhead people are clearly Grade A Morons.
Umm, the moron here is you. A client wants a picture of a refrigerator and you give them a gorilla cause it was cooler, that makes sense?
If they are morons then you are calling me a moron. I doubt I am a moron. If you are too immature to understand what Stainboy, Mike Fisher, Kozik, and many others have said in the past, a gigposter is for the band's image not yours, your job is to do a great job, all facets of doing a great job. Relevant is one facet.
  2005-10-26 13:17:09
JFKinyonSend JFKinyon a message :   cute   2005-10-26 13:15:52
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   i don't understand how a 'rock' poster is supposed to look.   2005-10-26 13:15:17
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   I really don't get how Rica is selfish ?!   2005-10-26 13:15:07
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   No, this is an important issue, I think very important about all gigposters. (and I mean this all in a friendly discussion/ debate way, not an angry way, ok????)
First, let me say that Rica does great work and the artwork is amazing and no complaints about talent shown.
Now, I asked him to do some pieces for the book because some bands I am friends with wanted posters cause they didn't have many good ones.
Rica didn't show me anything first, he just did them. Tanxx did that too, but her drawings DID fit the bands, they were art that worked well for a Rock band.
When Rica showed my the done posters, I said they are not really representative of a tour poster for a rock band. They are illustrations that he added the band name to arbitrarily. Any band name could have been stuck there. And that's the problem. Why do a poster for a band that doesn't have any connection to the band at all?
This particular poster, the band saw it before I did and they told me that despite the art being great, they would never want to use it cause it confused them. They didn't see by just tacking their name on it that it represented their style of music at all. It would have been great for a different type of band. They play hard rock in the Motley Crue style of music. The girls in the band said the art was too creepy and the girl looked in pain and it didn't look like a fun rock n roll show. They said if they pasted these up no one would know that they are a 80s style rock band and that people would be misled by the artwork, no matter how great the image is.
AND, in my opinion, and other artists agree, it is very selfish to do a gigposter, which is supposed to advertize a band - isn't that a gigposter? - and not have it be relevant to the band that you are doing it for.
Can I give Black Sabbath a poster of a shoe, for example? No matter how amazingly great it was rendered, it sure doesn't give anyone any feeling about what Black Sabbath is like. Likewise here and for the Clam poster he did, neither makes any sense for a rock n roll band.
It is just cool art for cool art's sake, it is not doing to job of a gigposter. It is not functioning well as a gigposter, it is a art gallery piece without any thought or care for the CLIENT (me or the band in this case) and the end customer (the fans or POTENTIAL fans) seeing the poster and getting a feeling from it.
I don;t see how artist don't get that. It is incredibly selfish to do something that has nothing to do with the band at all.
The art of making a gigposter isn't just doing an amazing image, it is that the poster is for gigs, to attract potential people to their shows. If the band is rock and someone does a gothic (for example) poster, it is confusing the potential audience and it can cost the bands maybe a lot of people who might have come to the show had the art been more relevant.
(changing the subject for a second, they didn't say it was mean to women, but that the girl looked in pain and a pained girl is not what they consider fun for their image)
Even Seripop's poster as fanciful as they are relate to the band that they are being made for. Her Slayer poster looks like it would be made for Slayer, for one example. Her other ones give you a feeling about the bands that they are done for, which is most non-rock noise or arty bands, she adjusts her images intuitively based on the bands sound, you can see it. Even if she does it consciously or not, it works that way.
If someone gives me an EF poster of a cute little ducky cartoon (not a franken ducky), would that be respectful of my vision of the band and my audience and my potential for attracting new people into rock to my shows who might be interested in our rock music? No.
Sure this is a great piece of art, but it's not a fully functioning gigposter because it give a different message than the band's message, they are not both on the same page, there is no clear communuication. A gigposter is a means of communication.
  2005-10-26 13:10:14
steve wSend steve w a message :   these ironhead people are clearly Grade A Morons.   2005-10-26 13:09:59
perkinsSend perkins a message :   This artwork is rad...if the band didn't dig it, I'd pull this version off GP and then sell it to another band. There are plenty of bands who would be proud to use this, mine included.   2005-10-26 13:02:06
ricaSend rica a message :   Thanks again to the supporters. The point is I did this one for the book sal's workin'on. He allowed me to make more posters coz I can hardly make some here. He gave me bands list and I did this, sending it to bands. It was only for the book but Sal didn't like the 2 I sent him, he prefers the EF one I did, so end of the story, they just won't be in the book. I'm quite sad the band didn't like it but...the other I did for Clams they liked but I keep on submiting it here coz it always fails. And about mean to women... no   2005-10-26 12:15:43
seripopSend seripop a message :   how the hell is this mean to women? wtf?   2005-10-26 08:58:55
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   probably wouldn't have been a bad idea to show them a comp or rough sketch before you went all the way with it...   2005-10-26 08:32:17
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   "answer: tell them to get fucked and use it anyhow...great poster!"
you're representing THEM, as well as you. if the band doesn't feel comfortable with it, then you kinda fail.
  2005-10-26 08:21:04
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   i don't know the band so i can't comment about the relevance of this poster to their music.
that said, this poster is really great in my view, and not "mean to women". there are tons of posters that have leanings to or are outright sexist and/or mysogynistic and uh, this ain't one of them.
i have no idea what "representative of Rock music" means. but i think this is pretty Rock. too bad rica.
  2005-10-26 07:12:43
Eva ColladoSend Eva Collado a message :   quote : Salcanzonieri 2005-10-25 20:03:03
It's a really great illustration but there is a delima behind it. It was for a rock band that has girls in it and the girls are scared of the poster art and feel that it doesn't represent them in any way, as they say it looks like it's for a gothic band instead.
So, what do you do when the art is amazing, but the poster isnt representative of the band at all and they don't like it and since there are girls in the band, they feel that it is mean to women and totally confuses people about what kind of music they are. They won't use this since it is not representative of Rock music at all.
So, what do you do then? answer: tell them to get fucked and use it anyhow...great poster!
  2005-10-26 06:12:06
8ballSend 8ball a message :   I think it's great...even sexy...   2005-10-26 06:10:49
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   As a woman, I don't think this poster is an insult. I see many and many posters here that could be insults but certainly not this one. what is a rock poster ? this question again ?! Of course, if the band doesn't like it, it wouldn't be a tour poster, but the fact is that Sal asked rica to do tour poster, and now he says that it's not a rock poster. Rica has his own style. I really don't understand what's the problem here.   2005-10-26 04:56:02
ricaSend rica a message :   ho and i'm not a woman! ;)   2005-10-26 04:48:57
ricaSend rica a message :   Thanks all! I agree with Maximumfluoride that if the band hates it (or is scared by....)this poster is a failure.But mean to haha   2005-10-26 04:33:31
imagineSend imagine a message :   iron headgear... i hated braces ugg 3 years of them. the poster is awesome. bummer the band doesnt like it i think it rocks.   2005-10-25 23:49:17
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Considering it was created by a wiman I am not sure why they would think it is meant towards woman.
In the end if the band doesn't like it it's a failure. Which is really sad, because it is such a fantastic piece of art.
  2005-10-25 23:25:13
kolfacekillaSend kolfacekilla a message :   well if the band doesn't like it then yeah, no question, can't really be their tour poster can it?
if they didn't go with this art then i'd just use it on a different poster.
cool illustration though.
  2005-10-25 20:44:20
phoondaddySend phoondaddy a message :   Yeah, it's mean to women. God knows no boys ever wore a mouthpiece like this.
  2005-10-25 20:08:45
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   It's a really great illustration but there is a delima behind it. It was for a rock band that has girls in it and the girls are scared of the poster art and feel that it doesn't represent them in any way, as they say it looks like it's for a gothic band instead.
So, what do you do when the art is amazing, but the poster isnt representative of the band at all and they don't like it and since there are girls in the band, they feel that it is mean to women and totally confuses people about what kind of music they are. They won't use this since it is not representative of Rock music at all.
So, what do you do then?
  2005-10-25 20:03:03
Hero Design StudioSend Hero Design Studio a message :   amazing!   2005-10-25 19:10:45
Darren GrealishSend Darren Grealish a message :   Great!   2005-10-25 17:20:38
slaterSend slater a message :   !!!
looks real good.
  2005-10-25 12:07:07
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   superbe !   2005-10-25 09:05:54
chrisSend chris a message :   Noice   2005-10-25 08:06:22
l.stalionsSend l.stalions a message :   make that 6 votes for rocks.   2005-10-24 18:34:01
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   ho! awesome. damnnation!   2005-10-24 14:57:06
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   wow. rules.   2005-10-24 13:02:29
tanxxxSend tanxxx a message :   ho YEAH !   2005-10-24 11:49:38
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Rad   2005-10-24 11:47:55
craigSend craig a message :   pretty cool.   2005-10-24 11:40:02
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