"Oh boy. Yeah, that discussion got outta hand. You just don't see that fun stuff going on here anymore."
Two years later... :)
I think this poster may have been my intro to Hellenic Wide. I'd see it on Warner Bros. albums, but never know what it was called. Ah, the innocence of youth.
this poster would be way better if they had spent at LEAST 10 hours on a drawing for it...
i mean, jesus guys, type, cropping and color/overprinting descisions. it's like you didn't even try. my grandma shits stuff like this out of microsoft word.
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having a degree in design from a "great school" doesnt mean jack shit... i have a degree form a great school too and half the kids i graduated with couldnt find their way out of a wet back let alone design a poster that is anywere close to the quality of this piece
yes i have a degree in graphic design from a great school. and work at a major mag. but even if i did not my opinion is just that.
i find it a pedestrian poster. so fucking what. if you dont like it sorry.
yes i could break it down in designer lingo. wouldnt matter. i hurt someones ego and the same clique is the one that defended him. noone else did.
you do realize this IS ALOT LIKE the crits we see on the board alot...
hence the bickering here...
to me its like "they did a fucking poster, they did it the way they wanted to"
i dont understand the nitpicking unless an artist asks for a crit..
of course i do think anyone can crit something if they want,but when its not asked for the artist gets very defensive.. should they? no! do they ? yep!
also, i dont think you need any background to make a crit.. though if you dont, people think your word means shit.. that is elite!
This is a 99.9% successful design. However, upon closer inspection, I am forced to reveal that had you moved the top of the red horizon and the type 1/8 inch lower - towards the tip of the nose, you would've entered 'genius' territory!........Just kiddin'. Nice work.
Boy,it's funny reading some of these crazy comments.Some of you are pretty much right on ,but others...come on your disrespect is just an embarresment to yourself. I'm a designer that went to school and this is simple and blah blah blah. No matter how much you say it's just an opinion,you still sound like a bit of a fool to me. This is a beautifuly done and thought out poster for all the reasons mentioned.These guys consistantly put out stuff that gets commented on these boards, as a matter of fact for as many posters that are on here there are really only a few artist that get comments.That says something.So if you want to have an opinion make it so you don't sound like a fool.If You claim to be a designer or illustrator and want to talk the talk,then baby put your stuff up here and walk the walk,I bet you won't get half as many comments as these guys.
another pointless arguement (that i'm drdgeing up cuz i was out of town when it happened, heh, heh)
these guys are super-talented. jee-sus, anyone with a trained background SHOULD be able to dissect something skillfully, know the talent involved and be able to seperate their subjectivity (look it up if you're not sure what it means)
lol, ya'll have to see the irony in this discussion, tho.... most of the picking apart has come from the "designer camp" and ya'll tend to think of it as sport to tweak others about their work. I think it's funny that you guys can be tweaked, too. Nice to know you're human.... :o)
>>but you cannot expect me to not respond negatively to someone who likens something that I feel passionate about to the abilities of a 6 year old child.
Not really getting into this one, but thought I would say that the above quote is just how some of the "illustrators" have felt when their stuff has been picked apart.
sorry, spacelady, i don't respect your opinion at fucking all! i'm so fucking tired of this! and the designers are the ones that get attacked for being elitist! YOU, who trash graphic design as nothing more than slapping type on clip art are the elitists.
i do respect free speech... and i do kinda see both sides here.. sorry chachi and spacey.. both have points... at least there was no hairpulling!! noone will like everything, and hey the poster was NOTICED, art evokes emotion... so its a GREAT POSTER then!!!!
I thought about this for a bit. I agree with Spacey about one thing, this isn't the best thing AA has done. I like it but I don't love it. I can probably tell them why in a way that doesn't descend into sarcasm and pointless jabs. It's not that hard.
What I'm saying is that the thing that bothers me about Spacelady's "critique" is the willingness to drape "opinion" with insults and put downs. It not only colors how her opinions will be taken but it devalues the commentary forum as a whole.
you can respond emotinally anyway you want. you can think i didnt make a clear statement, but my private messages say otherwise. i didnt like this simple poster. period. i explained but not to your liking. take care.
Me personally, I dig the type used and the nod to Saul Bass(it sorta mimics one of his film posters, am I right?). I can also give props to who ever took the photo, for that too is dope...very seductive. But in the hands of a lesser designer, that photo would fail to have an impact. It was well cropped, and the halftone dots add a sort of warmth, to me. And I'm pretty sure they had every legal right to use the photo, to address your copyright issue. It's of a certain quality...it doesn't look like it was swiped off the web. That's all I'm gonna say about this here poster. Nothin' but props from me!
i stated my opinion. when you said i was "over simplifying" i explained more.
sorry you are annoyed at my opinion. but as someone who illustrates and does graphic design as you said. i think a lot more goes into drawing something and then the process of design by some illustrators here is a lot more intensive, then laying a press photo and dropping text. wax poetic about how you chose a color or cropped a photo all you want. to me its pedestrian. and the sad thing is i love alot of your posters, this just wasnt one of them.
you didnt respond to the copyright image that you used.
i dont want to fight. i said how i felt and dont agree that is fine. i think its obvoious we disagree. but you designers that praise eachother all the time, the second someone says something that crits your work, you get defensive. god for a designer and going to school you have got crits before. dont agree with me, no biggie.
Spacey, I'm all for respecting someone's opinion. But don't expect to place your opinion in a public forum and not be challenged.
Additionally, if you are such a strident defender of "opinion" then you should respect what everyone else here has to say about this poster. You're completely entitled to say this is not worthy of praise but when you start lumping this with cuts towards "design fanboys" you begin to cross your own line. That's not an opinion, it's a put down. And if that's where you want to take it, be prepared for flak.
i dont think you struck a nerve with stating your opinion you just brought up this whole concept that "any one with a computer can do that". you are way way over simplifying the process by saying that they found a picture and dropped in some text. there is much much more to design than that, its about the choice of type, the choice of photography the choice of color the choice of layout.
and again the whole scribbling thing, he was re-equating what you said about design to the process of illustration. breaking it down to the bare essentials. just as aesthetic
'dropped in a picture and added some type' they scribble on paper
first off this is my opinion. some of the posters here (including this one) are very basic, take a press photo, and add text. sure you added color and cropped the image, but thats nothing that is a great design decision. and just as much as people might LOVE this poster,prehaps you should actually LOVE THE PHOTO that was taken then blown up. how about the photographers copyrighted image used. i think if anyone would love this poster its not because the designer decided red goes well with black. christ a 6 year old in art class learned that.
i respect alot of works by aesthetic,i respect this one too. i seemed to touch a nerve with stating my opinion. though i do have a degree in design, i dont think i needed one to make an opinion, get off your high horse!
as for going to design school, i did, i know design process , BUT TO DO EVERYTHING according to what i learned i would be making lame ad mats with prefab images (like this one). contort this all you want.
as for saying emek or jermaine or drowningcreek or kozik scribbles a little drawing i think shows your ignorance. and prehaps you need to go back to the school of real world art.
as for aesthetic thanks for respecting my opinion
Tornado, cha, and gooch are right...
'...all they do is
scribble a little drawing and spell the names of the bands right. I went to art school. That's no big
Jay-sus! You 'non-drawers' are UNREAL.
Ya know, a lot of people get real hung up on process around here. So what if it was "easy" to do this (which it wasn't, I'm sure)? What if it takes somebody 10 minutes to sketch out something and it's brilliant? Does simplicity mean that it's not worthy of praise?
Spacelady, your apparent lack of understanding of something so simple as the "design process" which both illustrators and designers use is amazing. If this has to be explained as to why it works (not how it was put together, not how long it took) then you need to go back to school.
Sorry to drag this into the comments area (and it can go to the discussion boards for more toe to toe fighting) but as an illustrator and designer, this baffles me to no end.
OK...lets not get into this again. SPACELADY, dont even get the design'folks started. Ive seen em pick apart stuff by Kozik and EMEK, violently rape work by Forbes and Jermaine, and break Hess's and Drowning Creek's illo stuff down into tiny little pieces to be 'critiqued'.
Then, they'll praise a poster made up ENTIRELY of clip-art. Ive just wrapped it all in that 'diffrent strokes' thing, and its made me a lot happier!
So please, dont get em started again.
sorry to be of the nonpop view. but come on, its simple scan and drop text. the love fest for illustrators for illustrators has been pointed out,but the fanboy for graphic design clip art gets praised. this just that a pix image of her and add some text. go ahead and say how the text is brilliantly dropped or the composition. i went to design school,this is something that is of no great feat. go ahead blast lil of me.