Deep Purple ripped Its a Beautiful Day note for note on Child in Time (machine head album?)
Can't remember the song name, but it was pretty funny listening to the two songs side by side. Richie blackmore wanking on this Sanfranhippiegroove stuff. I liked both those bands.
I like this poster, Rick Griffin had the goo.
And after reading this comment thread, I find it kind of funny that Mr. Chantry is dissing Griffin's production techniques. We were doing overlay shots for both commercial and fine art production into the 90s. Just one way of dealing with reproduction of drawn images for print. Working big then shrinking down for your keyline is still way valid, even today.
Here's another interesting Griffin biographical link just before this comment thread breaks 100. Another gigposters classic fo' sho', thanks for the speils y'all:
that's right, our perception of reality is also conditioned by culture, education, memory, knowledge, etc.; this further adds to the "mentality" aspect I mentioned. what you and I see as a "car" is really just a series of atomic energy charges. what it REALLY looks like I have no idea.
reality and perseption are so carefully and completely influenced by out culture, that the whole i dead of what is real verusu what is actually percieved becomes nute.
for instance, when we look at a car, we see a car - a mustang, a mercedes, a volve, a ford, a truck, a tractor. it's a motorized vehicle. a car, right?
well, nature just sees a rock.
we're the ones who altered that rock and gave it an articifical identity. which is "real"?
well, there is reality (how things are) and there is mentality (how we think or perceive things are).
every species, for example, perceives reality through its own "filter", based on its type of optic nerves (or other sensory apparatus), brain size and composition, etc. the world according to an eagle or a centipede is different than the world according to, say, Jennifer Lopez.
thanks for the tip. sounds worth reading. i spent a lot of time reading "crakpot" literature and love looking for the similariteies and connections among the various arenas. for instance, i love the way that the flying saucer lore, the 'little people' lore, the sasquatch lore, ghost stories, the occult experience, the DMT experience, scientology, the bible, some science (the edge ot it, like quantun physics), and so many other strange experiences are all basically the same thing (if you read them carefully and compare). it all seems connected to brain chemistry and it's how we develop spiritual ideas and religions. it seems to actually be a chemical squirt in the grey matter. cracks me up, ya know.
the creative part of the brain works with certain amino acids to create el;ectrochemical reactions that give us creative thouhgt. obsessive compulsive disorders (alchoholism, depression, mania, drug addiction, sex addiction, religious addiction, etc. etc.) also happen in exactly the same part of the brain and utilize exactly the same amino acids to creat what are apparently the same electrochemical stimulation to that same grey matter. creativity seems to be an obsessive compulsive disorder. or perhaps obsessive compulsive disorders are actually creative thoughts?
great stuff. now, go read the entirely of flying saucer lore (chronologically from the earliest days up to the present) and tell me it's not the beginning of a major religion. heh heh.
"i realized it wasn't the drugs at all that worked, it was simply distracting my mind enough so that i could allow the subconcious part - the creative part - an avenue of escape unfettered by my conscious controlling mind. "
art, you should try to hunt down the book "development of the psychedelic individual" written by a psychologist named john curtis gowan in 1974. he argues that your experience above is true for pretty much everyone (yes, i know you're saying that there are exceptions), and that using drugs to achieve a psychedelic state is pretty much cheating. he interprets bible stories, such as the burning bush, and Thoreau's Walden as psychedelic experiences. it's pretty interesting stuff.
exactly, the drugs enable connections to take place which over-ride or abandon the importance of the everyday, ego related controlling part of the mind that the individual bases thier limitations on..theres enough evidence that chemical changes to the brain can and will encourage creativity, but i dont believe it can actually make someone able to draw to the level of someone like griffin for example, a person can learn and develop their skill but its the individual thats doing the learning, not the drug. everything they do is part of their psyche, it would be unfair to label someone a dullard because they sometimes appear that way to an outsider,ur friend bill is a talented and intelligent person but perhaps he has times of uncertainty about his ideas being accepted by someone else, the drugs give him the confidence and state of mind he needs to express and articulate himself how in the way he requires..whatever you create comes from your history and make-up, ur psyche.. hence the use of psychedelic to describe the type of drug.
the word 'dutch' in terms like 'dutch courage, dutch uncle, dutch oven etc' means 'ersatz' or 'artificial'.
it originated in the late 18th century as the dutch made alot of 'knock off goods' back then and where at war with the British etc.
"dutch courage" is a funny term. i understand exactly what you are saying, largely because that was how i used drugs to help my creativity when i was starting out. but, after a while, i realized it wasn't the drugs at all that worked, it was simply distracting my mind enough so that i could allow the subconcious part - the creative part - an avenue of escape unfettered by my conscious controlling mind.
but, to pick the bone clean, i think there really are a few folks out there (like i said, i think i've met some) who literally react to some drugs in weird ways that actually "create" creativity. that is it allows the unique wiring in their personal grey matter to connect those synapses in a way that fires through the creative part of the brain. without the drug, they can't do it - for real.
i think that exists in some individuals and i suspect rick was one of them. i'll never know. it's just a hunch.
art, i think we're talking about the same subject really, you can either draw or you cant, and giving someone some acid doesnt make them able to draw, that ability is within them already..the drugs do indeed effect the brains chemistry and opens the mind up to express itself with more confidence than when its in a state of sobriety...drugs can create confidence in oneself that allows the individual more freedom to express their ideas, but the ideas are inside that person anyway, somewhere, drugs only allow them to come out; dutch courage if you like.
I used to love working while high. It definitely made me more focused, less inhibited and in the zone. I loved it. I'd still do it if I could, but it's a no-no for me. A few good slugs of Vodka works for me but it's not quite the same.
steve - i have to disagree with you here. there are some people whose brain chemistry really is kicked into high gear when certain drugs (individual to that person) get introduced.
i first began to suspect this when and old high school pal of mine - bill was his name - became inspired by carlos castenada and hunter thompson and began to experiment with altered realities. he took more drugs in larger amounts in more combinations than anybody i've eveer known.
but, i began to notice that when he took those drugs he began to have a smarter sharper personality and i swear his iq expanded. he was one of the brightest most intelligent people i ever met - but only when he was high. whgen he was sober, he was a dullard.
he was also a rather great poet. he did lots of emily dickensonian type poems with a healthy dash of dylan thomas. but he never showed anybody. he really thought that art was not meant to be shared with anyone and that if it was great art, it would be discovered as such on it's own. so he hid his poems. he only showed me one poem ever and (though i'm no expert on poetry) it struck me as quite good. we once got stuck on a mountain pass in a blizzard and had to sit in our car for about 16 hours before we could get out - all the time high on speed and cheap beer. we had thiese intense conversations about art that went on for hours and almost lead to fisticuffs. i so disagreed with his 'hide the art' philosophy that we both began slavering at the mouth. an amazing memorable night for me.
anyway, after he quit drugs, he joined the army and became one of those "army personalities" they create intentionally attempt to create in recruits there. i don't know whatever happened to his existing poetry, but he now claims that he never wrote poems and that such a suggestion was the same as calling him a fag. sad, really.
emek - i want to correct a misunderstanding you may have brought to the table. you seem to think that i might be 'dismissing' his work as 'just stoner art'. nothing could be further from the truth. i consider rick griffin one of my oldest heroes and the last thing i would ever do is dismiss ANYTHING he did (even his - gulp! - christian art.)
when i talk about someone who uses drugs to enhance his art, that is not a dismissal, but a recognition of someone who has tapped into something that they uniquely control. those other folks i described as having that 'detail concentration' thing (and that i suspect griffin of having) astonish me. i consider them a sort of genius level artists. i would never dismiss anybody's art simply because they used different drugs than me.
no, i think you were assuming that i was somehow "putting-down" rick griffin when i wasn't. perhaps you may think that working with drugs is somehow a lessening of his accomplishment, but i sure don't. the guy was an artist far above most of those frauds we stash in our "art museums".
it really is interesting to read everyone’s different experiences, tales, revelations, psychological assumptions, and first hand accounts of this great artist.
he certainly is/was more talented than any of us here. its also great fun to freely exercise ambivalence for biographical rhetoric be it fact or fiction.
Ken Kesey and the Grateful Dead played at the house i grew up in (before my time though) and i heard stories about how artists would trip out on acid and spend 3 whole days painting these amazing images, but when they were done, the canvas would just be a solid color, it was all in their minds. Rick's art came from a very spiritual place, you can tell by the work and what his life's passions were about. Some people always accused Robert Williams of being on drugs, and when they would see my art 10 years ago, i would get the same reaction from outsiders. I am not tryin to compare myself to these heroes of mine, but i know drugs always get mentioned when artist become Shamans. Not saying they were not there, just saying there is more to life and the art than to dismiss it as just stoner art.
Rick would just sit around outside in the yard on a chair with a drawing bord and a crowquill and freehand this stuff all day.
I once sifted through a room full of his studies and religious paintings at the house of a dealer collector who bought him out after the fire at his house. Mountain of stuff..all weird stuff never saw the light of day. A lot of studies in gauche for a series of large format religious paintings..also several thousand hand painted anim,ation cells he worked up for a Sunkist TV spot that was never made.
Best thing was the original line art for OMO BOB..which collector PIECED OUT and sold page by page-a crime if you ask me.
art, here's a long but interesting interview w/ bobby b. which deals w/ that whole scene: http://www.beausoleil.net/mminterview.html
didn't know about lee & hendrix. it's weird how many things get left out of "official histories."
fascinating. this, i didn't know. i knew about the lucifer rising, but the rest is new to me. i wonder what that version of love sounded like? by the way, ever heard about that legendary lost arthur lee/jimi hendrix recording? i got a tape of it (supposedly) from a intense insane collector. it was bad quality, but it was interesting. more lee than jimi. not too good, i thought.
mmm - seems to me that "gil" was protesting my earlier drug story about griffin. he was calling it a lie. now, he's acting like , "of course, duh. yer so stupid to think otherwise." i guess assholes who put on makeup to frighten little children are allowed these contradictions." stupid games.
Re: Beausoleil, what I read was that he was in Love early on, before they had that name; they were called the Green Leaves or something. They were just playing gigs, he never recorded w/ them. With David LaFlamme, he formed a free-jazz sort of world music rock band, and they did tape a few things. A version of one of these pieces ended up on Beautiful Day's 1st album (it's an instrumental piece). Bobby B. is quite a talented musician. From prison, he composed and recorded the (highly accomplished) score for Kenneth Anger's LUCIFER RISING film, replacing Jimmy Page, who worked on it previously.
emek - i'm only guessing here, but...
over the years, i've learned that there is a certain sort of person who smokes pot and goes into "detail mode". i've only met maybe three or four, but i suspect there are many more.
what happens is this - they smoke a little dope and they start to concentrate on/in extreme detail. they bend into that detail and start to work. they toke every so often and they maintain a level of intense concentration that carries them for hours working on tiny detailed drawings, etc.
like i said, i've only really met a few - at least a few who would admit that is how they worked. but, it's a true 'zone' thing. the detail work that these individuals create under the influence is at a level that took your breathe away - incredible tiny delicate detailed DETAILED work. it relaxed them when they were high.
one guy (the first one i met) was very open about it (that's where i learned about it). the first piece of work i ever saw of his was a life-size drawing of a sea bass, drawn with a 6-ought (000000) rapidograph pen. every single scale of the fish was exact. but then he went back in and using that old sticky color film stuff (zipatone film) he went back into the drawing and used an xacto knife to cut into the scales (one image per scale) the flag of every nation of the world. imagine the effort to cut into a single fish scale a zipatone rendition of the stars and stripes. then try to imagine doing the same for the flag of every nation on earth. it took him months to do it all. it was stunning. he said, yeah, i like to work that way. it makes me do great stuff.
since that guy, i've encountered maybe three others who admit they have that reaction to pot. me, i fall asleep. so, i'm not one of them. a few folks on this site have admitted to me that they were "one of them". and i'll wager good money that rick griffin was one, too.
Ricks poster technical techniques (?) were very crude, but to spend that much time and detail on such a primitive format is insane..
other guys were cutting whole sheets of rubylith- also primitive and time consuming, but much easier and quicker.., rick made light blue copies of his original and then hand colored each layer .. very primitive yes, but an extreme amount of discipline.. to get that much detail and still have it all overlayed and registered..i understand because many times i work that archaic way as well.. so i appreciate it.. "old school"
zelig - yeah, seems to me i vaguely remember something about him auditioning for love. besides, arthur lee is a class a#1 nutjob, so who really knows, eh?
have you read that interview with bobby beausoleil in that feral house (the publishers) book? i forget the name at the moment - "apocalypse culture vol 2", maybe? it's a recent prison interview and it's pretty interesting.
Looked up that Bobby Beausoleil claim and it seems to be on a ton of sites about Love and Arthur Lee.
Some say he auditioned and lost out to MacLean, while others say MacLean took his spot when Bobby took off on a trip up north.
The oddest claim was that Arthur Lee named his band "Love" in honor of Bobby's then nickname, "Cupid", but that comes from Bobby himself so take it with a grain of salt.
I've read a lot about Bobby, but I don't remember any of this stuff either. You should check out the Beausoleil section of Truman Capote's Music for Chameleons. It's a fun read, second only to the Monroe part.
emek - actually what you are describing is rather primitive production art technique, not innovative at all. i'm not trying to dismiss his technnique - it obvious worls very welll. but, it's the sort of thing they used to teach you in high school yearbook production classes.
rotator - 'it's a beautiful day' was very hippie-dippy pop progressive. they had a hit with a song "white bird" int eh early 70's that still gets played on classic rock radio now and then. i always thought they sucked. they were managed by that guy matthew katz (he also managed the moby grape among others) who was condemned to everlasting hippie purgatory for trying to copyright the term "san francisco sound". any poster with that logo of his on it is considered worthless by collectors because of that - even thought there were some pretty cool work done on them.
sash - i don't believe i've ever read booby b. was in either 'love' or 'it's a beautiful day.' perhaps you've run across thatin so0me more completeist manaon-ography, but i've read a great deal about that period and those people and i've never read a connection between beusoleil and those bands. however, he did work with kenneth anger and seems to actually be the one who started the 'aryan nations' organization while in prison. cool guy, eh?
oh, and i understand "love" actually did do a hit on somebody in their early days, so, they were pretty uncool. but, there's no bobby b. connection
It's a Beautiful Day was 60s progressive pop. Really nice production with violin. Sweet melodies. As an aside, Bobby Beausoleil (later a Manson associate and presently serving a life sentence) was in the band in their earlier days (he was also in Love with Arthur Lee).
I am not sure if i can explain this in a few sentences, but for this poster, and many of his large posters, Rick would immaculately draw the black layer and then have that shot to an architectural blue line at exactly 100.000% (no shrinkage). and then black ink every color overlay separately on its own blue line. not really see-through, he would have to see all the colors in his head as it was like 5 differnt drawings with hand stippled blends to make one poster. These are all amazing to see in person. I think that Jaxon also tried this technique, and Jim Phillips and a few other greats tried it once or twice, but everyone said Rick was crazy for being this meticulously innovative.
the story on this poster (as i understand it) is that it was made for a show that never actually happened. at any rate, the USE of the poster was canceled and then the run was destroyed. only a few escaped oblivian and less than ten are known to exist.
of course, business peoiple (aka greedy fuckrs) reprinted it endlessly. a friend of mine bought one from a big stack at a flea market in hawaii. paid ten bucks for it. after he found out what he had, he wished he'd bought the whole stack. i have no idea if his was an original or not.
so, this is considered a holy grail due to it's total "griffin-ness" and the "dead-ness" and it's rarity. a perfect combo for big bucks. i've heard five figures have been exchanged for original printings.
also, a friend of mine who collected griffin had a number of his original pencil sketches and even a few of his "mechanicals" for a while. my gawd, that guy could draw!!! his sketches were beautiful.
but his understanding of reproduction technology was crude. it was actually sort of laughable to see how he put these posters together. he drew each color layer on tissue and hinged them like a piece of mechanical art for registration. he drew with the 1960's equivalent of a sharpie. those pieces of art were sooooo crude. but, they worked so well.
however, i'm still trying to find the first five years of surfer magazine, when it was designed van hammersveld and cartooned by griffin. if there any kind hearted folks out there with any or all of the first five years, please get in touch.
actually, this was before the aoxomoxoa lp. he "reprised' this image for the lp. but, he'd been working in this intense style for some time. he started out doing a cross hatch style, but moved onto this look quickly. he did amazing stuff. i used to collect his stuff back when you could get it cheap. i had dozens of his posters. all gone now. i gifted them to a friend who was starting out as a dealer. he used them to get himslef established. posters well spent if you ask me.
8ball - get a life. there's more out there than just hating me and living for chances to crack wise on me.
I think this poster wasn't Rick's first use of the motifs in this image. This takes off from the cover of the Dead's album Aoxomoxoa ('67? '68?). And thae Flying Eyeball from BG-105 came before this one too. My sense is BG-105 is considered more of a masterpiece than this one, isn't it?
needles, you are so full of hatred.
the reason i didn't name any names is that thhe guy is still alive and is a good man. i don't see any reason to subject him to assholes like you. i can only imagine ....
i doubt rick griffin would have been offended by stories of his drug use. old surfers never die, they just get high on life.
okay, i think as an artist, you can travel in circles that bring you closer to other artists..
for some, its a smaller circle of people who actually had a ...relationship ..
but i suppose it would be hard to argue with a kitty copluator high on your glue..
Frank was allergic to cats.
poor rick, one of the greatest poster artists of all time, and look at your thread here..
i am sorry man. you were the best.
you had more talent in your pinky than i will ever have in my whole hand.
i was told a story by a guy who said he went to visit griffin to buy some art (this was during his late christian phase). griffin was in his studio working on this big painting. the guy wanted to buy it on the spot. rick didn't feel ready to sell, and besides, he didn't know if he wanted to sell it. after a while, griffin asked, "say, do you have any drugs?" the guy said he had a couple of bags of mushrooms. so, griffin swapped the painting for the shrooms.
then he ate both bags on the spot in front of the guy. he fell on the floor and spent the next couple of days in a hallucinegenic coma.
now, that's art!
i have a friend that can imitate griffin's lettering PERFECTLY. in fact he can imitate any of the famous psych artist's lettering style PERFECTLY. in fact he has to deliberately throw in errors so that people don't think it's really griffin. he's that good.
'it's a beautiful day' was the first emo band.
the reprints and the bootlegs are about 1/3 the size of the original..
you can spot an old bootleg because the center of the sun is not 100% white..
but the original second printing also has a small water stain in the print on the lower left border that was fixed on later reprints..