haha, i just walked in on this thread, it is hilarious. This sounds more like a graffiti thread. Graffiti artist are always argueing about lettering and style.
I think this poster has great colors and composition. That is what gets my attention.
See, the thing is, you guys interpret my comments the way you want.
I never said I disliked this poster
I never said Wes was a bad designer
I never said anything negative about the band.
All I said was that it's hard to read and I think its lame to assume that nobody but current fans can appreciate The Boredoms music.
"I wouldn't call someone who's given their honest criticism and opinion a hater. "
I agree.... I don't see Crave as being too overboard on it, he just is looking at it from one angle. I agree with him to some extent, but I also agree with Chloe when she said, "style IS language and every subculture has it's siginifiers."
One size does not fit all.... ;o)
Fight! Fight! Fight!
oh yeah, maybe I should say something...
Actually, most people have already voiced most of the thoughts and points I would have said about it myself. But I would like to add that nobody has said anything about the almost half century old tradition of hard as fuck to read rock posters. It was my mom's collection of concert poster postcards from the bay area that originally got me interested in this shit maybe 15 years ago.
i hate to say it but phila nailed it.
style IS language and every subculture has it's siginifiers.
i also think it's pretty presumtuous for anyone to tell another desinger what thier job is. a desinger's job is between him/her and the client.
Yeah, I'm not even sure the boredoms need to have posters made for their shows. A shitload of people here in Cleveland drove to this show to see them and I'm sure they didn't see this poster. What I mean by that is that a band like the boredoms has a pretty big very devoted following of people who, it seems for the most, part WOULD stop and decode a poster that struck their eye (they may not have to because their eye is trained to decipher these sort of posters (as their ear is now trained to pick up on the subtle beauty of music (the boredoms) much of the world would catagorize as "noise") but at the same time they KNOW the show is coming up anyway because they're researching on the internet and shit trying to find out when/where/how they can see this band. I don't know where I'm going with this. I think my point is that I can read this fine and someone who makes VERY obtuse posters (utterly illegible) for shows at his space once said, after I asked whether anyone would be able to read a particular poster, "I don't care if they can't read it. If they can't read it, I don't want them in my house." He was trying to whittle the audience down to a manageable elite, I suppose, and I say more power to him.
Some of the Boredoms records don't even have their name on the cover !
For 10 years ago, Nanoo Eye (aka Yamatsuka Eye) did the weirdest abstract collage offset book ever : "living guitar with a mind-expanding sound book".
That book changed my life !
It was something I never saw before. Something really new in the underground graphic cultur.
"But the problem I think is the assumption that all their fans would automatically look closely at anything that looked like this poster.
And then decode it to realize that it was FOR The Boredoms. "
If a Boredoms fan saw this, didn't decode it and passed on by, then 2 weeks after the show saw this on my wall and realized they missed a good show, I'd laugh at their loss and rub it in.
Not saying I should, but I would.
I have no problem with that. I think I've made that perfectly clear. What I don't get is...
1. you can't easily read it. If I can't read it, how do I know who to go see?
2. How is the band supposed to pick up new fans outside their circle when their designer, the person responsible for their marketing materials says "if you are unfamilliar with em then they probably aren't for you."
I love the Boredoms, and I think their fans would love this poster.
But the problem I think is the assumption that all their fans would automatically look closely at anything that looked like this poster.
And then decode it to realize that it was FOR The Boredoms.
Its disingenuous to look at it thru a backwards lens and say "Oh Boredoms fans would love it because it fits the band, therefore they would automatically know who it was for regardless of legibility"
you guys make some pretty radical assumptions about "potential fans".
I never said the poster wasn't compelling. I'm only saying that if I saw the poster, I'm not sure I would know who it was that I was supposed to go see.
the boredoms are great, and this poster fits the band perfectly. the way i see it is, even if i hadn't heard the boredoms before, everything about this poster would make me look further to see what the band was all about.
you look at their album covers, and they all give the same vibe as this poster. constantly seeing those CDs at the record store and hearing good things about the band got me to go out and buy one of their albums and find out that they were in fact awesome.
so, if you saw this poster and weren't compelled to see what the music is like, chances are you might not even like it anyway.
if you are unfamilliar with em then they probably aren't for you.
they have been around over 15 years and are pretty legendary .
this show probably sold out.
i know they one they did in nyc sold out over 6 weeks in advance.
So, by your logic, we are only supposed to help our clients market to their current fan base, and not to pick up new fans. Or you assume that potential fans will automatically get it. That's a recipe for failure.
Even by everything that is told to me on this thread about this band, I still have no basis of understanding what they are like? Are they electronic? Are they rock? Are they something different than anything I've ever heard before? To the unfamiliar, this tells me nothing about what the band is about... that is if they can even figure out the name of the band they are supposed to go see.
there is no "us"
to any boredonms fan this communicates just fine
diffrent niches require diffrent types of communication.
a good desiger doesn't simply communicate, he/she communicat's to the intended audience.
ANYWAY , that said i'm excited to get my copy of this.
wes is skilled.
the only part i cant read is the 'e' and the 'd'. i think this is the most fucking boss poster ive ever seen....this blows my mind. it kinda has this graffitti style (the old men hate taggers) to it, the color compositiopn and lettering.
i MUST have one of these....
Seripop: "our job is bla bla bla"
Sorry, thats a load of semantic crap.
You want to go make art prints that have no obligation to communicate, you have every right to do that.
You guys manage to make that work in your niche? Thats great too. Im a fan of alot of SeriPops work myself.
But this IS a communicative medium, regardless of whether you can read THIS poster or not.
Again, this poster rules, but Im tired of this same argument, so Ive said my peice.
I think Raygun communicated really well.
Except for the entire Bryan Ferry inerview run in Zapf Dingbats.
The cool thing about Carsons work was that he interpretted the stories and based his work on his interpretation.
Still you may be right about this one. I KNOW it says Boredoms and I still cant quite read it.
Rad poster tho.
Here's what I don't get...
Artistically, this is top notch, but is it good design? Honestly, I had to look to the left to know what the band name was because I can't read it on the poster.
Our job is to communicate and the harder you make it to read, the less likely you're going to reach your audience.
Raygun was a great magazine during the early years, but only for artists. Those that wanted good content went to Alternative Press.