Plantweed :

Classy.

2004-11-19 06:35:10

Steve H :

okay then,no probs. and thanks for making me something, can you make me rich? :-)

2002-07-13 19:08:59

seripop :

just palace and smog. i'll make ya stuff.

2002-07-13 19:06:56

Steve H :

didn't think so. :lol:

2002-07-13 19:02:08

Steve H :

while i'm here getting rid of old cd's i never listen to anymore, does anyone want any thousand yard stare,further,boo radleys,ummm eugenius,rocket from the crypt, recent gong that i bought by mistake, death in vegas?

2002-07-13 18:55:52

Steve H :

ooooh its like christmas eh?!

2002-07-13 18:51:04

seripop :

nope.

2002-07-13 18:49:10

Steve H :

i've heared good songs from them,and smog,but most of the material on those two albums are a bit too self indulgent and miserable and not very listenable, they don't even try! i think the palace album is just called the palace brothers,its got an out of focus photo of someones head on the cover, got that one?

2002-07-13 18:46:26

seripop :

man u hate everything i love! palace! mmmmmm!

2002-07-13 18:42:21

Steve H :

what about the palace brothers? i wanna off load one of their albums aswell.

2002-07-13 18:41:44

Steve H :

okay then, i look forward to it. :roll: sure you can have the cd then, its too miserable for me, cheer up guys, ur signed!

2002-07-13 18:38:51

seripop :

i'll take it! don't have that one.. one day i'll tell u about how i met bill callahan and fell in love in 5 minutes.

2002-07-13 18:34:38

Steve H :

can't u just see it though? smog sitting on a giant pipe organ in the clouds being fed berries by little fairies and winged creatures of the sky with SMOG in curvy purple lettering with a cool psychedelic border?what ya talkin about?! i saw them once actually, supporting sebadoh! not bad, i wanna get rid of one of their albums,any takers? burning kingdom its called.

2002-07-13 18:33:05

seripop :

whoa just stumbled on this and the disscussion around it and here is what i think. i got into making posters cuz as a fan of music with an artsy bent, i was always drawn into looking at posters. it made me wanna make em. simple as that. yeah some posters SHOULD scream the info at ya but have you guys heard smog? it's a very quiet, arty folky one guy band. it's also a pretty small act, only plays crowds of about 100-200 people. i seriously doubt this poster was expected to draw in tons of people. not tons of people would like bill callahan. it's an esoteric act. this poster is PERFECT. it conveys the bleek music, it would apeal to fans of the band... and i'm sure bill liked it. people DO look at something more when it catches thier eye, to asume otherwise is to assume all people are morons. huge letters and dayglo would be absurd for this act.

2002-07-13 18:29:03

Zombie Space Dog :

Oops, I should have spell checked myself. :)

2002-01-01 14:05:55

Zombie Space Dog :

Vibranium, Your right that we don't know how this poster was used, we also don't know if this was ever commissioned or approved by a promotor. It may have been done purely for fun and to sell a few on e-bay. This discussion has moved from being just about this poster to the whole form versus function debate that comes up here fairly often (and maybe should move into the forums area). Anyway, I think Basil said it really well, A good concert poster should be balanced in both the aesthetics and the marketing areas. it is an advertisement for a show. As much as some people seem to wish it to be fine art. this whole 'design annual' style of poster art seems to forget that. You mentioned that you teach design. Then you probably will agree that this is a 5-second society. People need information quickly or they move on. You were right when you said that these "clients" were not designers. I think it's a safe assumption that neither are most concert goers. I believe that it is irresponsible for a designer to assume that people will stop and hunt for the information on a poster just because of it's design. It's not doing the Band/Venue any service if people walk past it and don't get the info. It's only servinbg the artists need for self expression, and like Basil said, "then go into fine art". I'm not knocking the importance of good design, just stressing that I beleive there needs to be that balance. Again, that's just my opinion and this IS a fun discussion.

2002-01-01 14:03:21

vibranium :

and it applies equally to the KoZik strain as well...

2002-01-01 13:59:38

Basil :

Yep, 'Generic' IS a harsh word. Just take an hour and look around this site. This 'style' is being embraced by everyone with a computer and a scanner.

2002-01-01 13:22:14

vibranium :

I do both. BUT I know design and my client knows not. They know how to book acts, or prepare and serve food, or make a movie. I have a distinct role. I am hired not to exclusively self-express BUT my clients know that my design works (when it does) because of self-expression, passion-it's what I do. I am hired to design meaning - not as a guy who knows the programs - a pixel monkey (help mojo...) but as a partner. I often describe it as synthesizing. I take what they give me and pass it through - and out comes something useful and compelling. And i often do not question the mojo. i've had accidents that 'out-sold' my intentions. Your analysis is very subjective. I propose that perhaps this poster was meant to stand out from its 'kosik' and 'coop' wallmates. And in taking the opposite tract - does so. The 'negative' space would be welcome relief from the blended colors and chaos of those posters and stand out like a fly in the sugar. I never worry about trends or try to analyze them. Heck if you surf these links I dare say the kosik/coop/hess/griffin influences way out numbers this estrus/sup-pop bonehead style. As far as appealing only the the converted fan who is going to attend anyway, I think you may be mistaking the fact that maybe the poster quantifies the band not the fan. And what about the promoter in this case? He obviously approved it - or it wouldn't see the light of day. I don't know about you but I need approval before I lay out hundreds of duckets. Generic is a harsh word - you're welcome to it though.

2002-01-01 13:18:45

Basil :

OOPS...typo in that last post: artsy-feart' means 'artsy-Heart'. Good conversation about this style, vibranium. Im so used to fans of Chantry and that style just trying to back it up with art-school lingo. Im not a big artist and havent gone to any art-school, but I trust my eyes. i know what I like. I just want down to earth discussion, and that may just come down to 'I dont like what you like'...and thats cool.

2002-01-01 13:04:48

Basil :

Youve got to be balanced in both areas, vibranium. If you just want to follow your heart and do whatever you want, then get into fine art. What too many of these artists seem to forget is that this is gig art, and its primarily based on the clients you spoke of, and ticket sales, and money. Lay your artists-feart aside for a second and remember that, to a promoter, the bottom line is the bottom line. Most promoters really could care less about the design...UNTIL it impedes ticket sales. This poster would, I think. The color choices dont attract your attention or draw you in. The text design, while deliciously laid out from an 'artsy' point of view, is HORRIBLE for a marketing layout ad. Im just saying that there seems to be this trend with some of these artists to become so sublime that the poster is irrelevant from a marketing point of view. To me a concert poster should do what Graham said, to let the fans of the band know theyre coming and to let everyone else know that they might want to check them out. These types of posters dont do that. They usually DO appeal to fans of the band mentioned, who are probably going to attend ANYWAY. They just dont give you any reason to want to see this event. And, they're getting VERY generic.

2002-01-01 12:59:49

vibranium :

HUH? I think it's all about audience. Which we may very well not be. And since we're probably not - 'failing' is a strong word. Remember we're seeing these out of context. Where was it posted, mailed, handed out, viewed? Zombie said:--I know a lot of people think that if the design is cool enough people will stop and look. That's a pretty assumptive approach.-- If you take out the superlatives you're basically saying: it's only assumed design will cause a reaction. If you believe this we might as well all pack it up and go home. If you believe this then black type on a white page would work. I suggest you/we/all crawl back in our heads to that time (in school, that 'one job') where you COULD experiment - Where you didn't get rejected - where we were rewarded for it. Remember that feeling - cuz in too many instances we start believing the s--- clients tell us and stop remembering what our hearts tell us.

2002-01-01 12:49:19

Basil :

AMEN. If I was the promoter who paid for this ad, id be mad.

2002-01-01 11:30:21

Zombie Space Dog :

I agree with Barry about this failing as advertisement, There has been a lot of posters being posted here lately that are great peices of art/design but just plain fail as gig posters because the design is being put way ahead of getting the band/venue info out there. I know a lot of people think that if the design is cool enough people will stop and look. That's a pretty assumptive approach. This is a cool design but not a great gig poster - in my opinion.

2002-01-01 09:11:33

vibranium :

it's a little 'self-expressionist' but the minimalist in me is loving it - and encouraging more like it.

2002-01-01 08:58:10

Barry :

Interesting design.. but when viewed from afar, it would fail as an advertisement for the gig. I guess it just matters what the poster is intended for.

2001-12-14 09:19:44

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