Unknown to most, I am an elitist wrapped in mediocrity leaning against some bacon.
But this is no secret....
I WILL order the Extra-Moist brisket tonight, and there is a plan to order TWO banana puddings for myself.
that is eliTism to a T.
i dont think that seripop is being elitist at all here....its a secret show.
the poster is merely a memorbilia item for the artists themselves, as well as anyone who might care to purchase one.
I don't think I want to read all that but I'm going to assume that the Seripops know what they're doing (they're not exactly new to this game) and they've for sure made something quite lovely here.
Ok. That is all.
Im certainly not going to defend mediocrity, but why is Elitism good?
In my experiences, elitism has always had less to do with actual merit and more to do with hip codification and social currency.
Elitism tends to base itself on a series of secret handshakes that people learn to make themselves appealing to others who are insecure enough to not allow themselves the contradictions that make up REAL character. All scenes have elements of this in them. A set vocabulary is established and is followed. Since the tenets of belonging are so deeply rooted in social necessity, its adherents are all the more rabid about making sure those bounds arent stepped outside of because they arent so much defending their personal scene as they are their own identity.
I wouldnt mind a real elitism based on REAL criteria, but too oftern what we get is just another bullshit clique.
not necessarily a bad thing jeph, I'm just not into that kind of thing cuz I feel that it's, more often than not, very tired/safe/sterile as it is so overdone that any real "weight" or whatever these kinds of images could have had 20 years ago has been washed away
good points mat
i think i owe u a fist in the jaw
when are you moving to canada to join my new band ace of bass?
our band will be the 100 sided die's house band and we;ll be uber elistist with our gig posters having no text at all just squgly lines and pictograms in order to laught inthe faces of the pathetic souls not on our myspace list!
har har har
i'm pleased to hear that fellow poster artists feel that we as posters artirts /promoters SHOULD NOT bbe creating posters for shows that go down in our poster art creating facility.
the fact of the matter is, posters are not soley for advertising.
if that were the case most of us wouldn't exist.
we at the 100 sided die will ALWAYS create postrs foer every show that happens here because the reason of the space is as a silkscreen co-op.
these posters WILL be posted on the street and will serve as an advert for anyone into abit of effort.
on top of that the posters generate talk about the show and about our apace ( primairily a studio/gallery). hopefully the poster we all make wil get other printmakers interested in stoping by and joining the space or in nspiring them to start up thier own collective spaces.
the poster also serves as a commemoration. it will be ascracbook piece we can look back on . it will be something we can give to the bands and djs to thank em and something attendees can buy to take home.
it will be proof that the show did happen at a place we built, soundprofed , wired and installed toilets in ourselves.
we also run the concession stand , run the door , clean up the vomit and broken glass, book most of the bands , paste up the posters , MAKE the posters, play the shows , dj the shows , and do almost everything to make these shows work.
yes it is hard to read.
and the posters our studio mates matt and zane did for previous shows were hard to read too.
posters for FUTURE shows at the space will most likely ALSO be hard to read.
it serves our purpose as a small space hosting big bands.
and if ayone has a problem with that or thinks it's elist i don't care.
and unless you are willing to fork over the ca$h for us to have a large , legit space with staff neither should any of you.
dear Matdaly, you say "...primary colored posters with naked girls doing naughty things on hot rods or some skeletons shooting pistols at each other in a toxic waste dump. perhaps pinup models stolen from internet porno sites or else little animals doing bad things"
like it's a bad thing.
dear seripop, please start making primary colored posters with naked girls doing naughty things on hot rods or some skeletons shooting pistols at each other in a toxic waste dump. perhaps pinup models stolen from internet porno sites or else little animals doing bad things. otherwise, nothing good is ever going to happen for your art career(s). I'm serious, you really gotta play to the crowd especially when you have shows in your own space that you pay rent for. I think you owe it to the rest of us, don't you?
i finally deciphered it! after hours of looking at it and holding it at an angle, i've finally found the hidden "secret" message - and it says "foghat reunion in the deli section of acme". damn, wasn't really worth the effort now, was it?
It IS kind of ironic that much of yesterday was spent talking about how a poster didn't fit the band, and now today is being spent arguing about a poster that DOES fit the band.
What a crazy mixed up world?!
My point is they DON'T need excuses for their text/legibilty (and sorry if I'm way off base here, but that's what the "secret show" explanation seems to be to me). Seripop does killer work. It speaks to people, creates a dialogue, and from what I've read in the past it fits the band and the fans perfectly.
I also "get" the fact that they enjoy making art. Everyone posting work here likes making posters and likes having creative freedom. And to be straight up, the majority of the bands on this site realistically DON'T need screen printed gigposters to promote their shows, much less "secret" ones.
i like the fact the info is abstracted into form...I dont think every poster for every show has to use the sameformula...and some can be more unique than others...most shows have multiple types of poster/xerox'z for shows...I think having one that is more graphically celebratory is a good thing.
and bobby has some good points.
I have to agree with Ferg on this one. Why does a secret show need a poster?
Textwise I would assume most of your work was for secret shows. Great work nonetheless but honestly I don't believe you need to defend the way you do your text to everyone all the time. Like you've kinda said before, either you're a fan of the group/s and you "get/see" it, or you don't. That being said, I'm a fan of YOUR work, but I wouldn't count on becoming a new fan of the BAND/S simply because I can't read the info.
shawny- i don't understand what you are asking.
all the info is on here with the name of the headline act being willfully cryptic.
sorry if this seems elitist to people but it's nessecerary due to the space being very small and due to the fact the headliner is playing another show that night at a large venue.
we make posters for our secret shows because we are poster makers , that's what we do.
we (and the other artists we share the space with who also make posters) see these as a clue more than an advert.
something to make people talk.
i have to qualify by saying i really like nrealy all of seripop's posters, but i have to say the idea of a "secret venue" seems really elitiest. The idea of making a creative space where you're actively trying to keep people away seems almost mean spirited; there must be a better way to go about this
I think that's really cool idea. It's like the whole process of finding a rave. I like this one and nowing the theory behind it and what it's for makes me enjoy it even more. It makes it ok for it to be hard to read. Which is why I don't usually groove on seripops as poster art.
are you people really that unable to wrap your brains around the concept of a SECRET show?
this show is with a huge band in a wharehouse (also our printing studio) the place can hold about 150 people. our last secret show 450 people showed up and it was a mess. we had to turn tons of very pissed off people away and there was broken glass everywhere.
people who wanna find out about this show will.
theuy will either star at the 18" x 24" poster untill they make out the text or they will get intrigued and ask around.
the poster serves as a filter and as a clue.
I love the text in the SeriPop posters. If you saw these hanging in your city you would certainly ask what it was or what it was for. They create a dialogue. These posters become an active part of the shows. That can not be said of many posters.
There are a lot of things here that appeal to me aesthetically but I am lost on the illegible type. I love your previous work and some of the push and pull with the readability but even with a secret show shouldn't the venue or the bands be legible? Only one of those two can be the "secret" and without being able to communicate one half of the message the other half is pointless. You need clues to be able to investigate. Nice as art but failing me as a poster.