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DESIGNER:

Ames Bros

VENUE:

Virginia Beach Amphitheater

Virginia Beach

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Pearl Jam Poster Archive

2001-11-11 13:47:30

BANDS:

Pearl Jam

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browny100 :

revised:FUCK OFF

2005-11-15 16:06:00

John A :

just enjoy it sentence fragment consider revising

2005-10-01 15:43:47

browny100 :

just enjoy it work of art

2005-10-01 15:40:25

ENothing :

Check out this timely Randomize!

2003-03-20 14:29:33

kevin jones :

and these guys are just sick, and it makes me mad!

2002-06-27 19:23:47

philaarts.com :

and speaking of residents. one of my fav bands of all time (and i know who is in the band-and a FAMOUS ARTIST once went on tour and played guitar-technically he just player air guitar, he was a prop) anyway. this is an image that where the jewish stars are, swasticas were originally there..
http://www.ralphamerica.com/img/3reichposter.gif

2002-04-03 14:23:35

philaarts.com :

true here is a more current image of the 76 recording http://www.residents.com/images/albums/3rnr.jpg
there were more swasticas on the original pressing. as for the fires etc. i hear ya. but ill die supporting any artistic statement. i dont care if it offends. its art. its freedom to express even if others hate it.

2002-04-03 14:17:37

rockologist :

yeah phila- but i find the residents to be a bit smarter than PJ, as well as their audience. swastikas could be seen as appropriate because their fan base is going to 'get it'. i don't think that this works because the iconagraphy is not as bastardized as swastikas, which have been used by outsiders since the hell's angels to subvert it's 20th century context, and the society in which it exists. i don't think the intention here was to use a stigmatized idea, but i could be wrong. damn. i'm done now. i'm with nolen. i feel like maybe i' m starting another fire, when there's already a bigger one ablaze that needs tending to. ;-)

2002-04-03 14:15:19

philaarts.com :

the swasticas are the residents, the 3rd reich of rock n roll. as for being responsible for what you present.. every artist should do that on their terms.
remember art should invoke emotion. can be negative, can be offensive, can be racial. do we have to agree, no. can we hate it yes. does it COMMUNICATE yes. so for me i guess i dont agree. but i still love your posters :-D

2002-04-03 14:10:26

rockologist :

no, i'm not trying to look too deep into this poster, i swear! it's just that using political imagery is a tricky like that, because people have VERY strong viewpoints, and iconagraphy like this evokes that. i guess maybe i should take this over to the forums, because it is more or less issues of appropriateness.

2002-04-03 14:05:17

Nolen Strals :

as people putting out images to the public, we have some sort of responsibility phila.
and what's the album with swastikas? just curious.

2002-04-03 14:03:26

philaarts.com :

prehaps they were. but heck one of my fav residents album covers has swasticas on it. would i do this image. never. but then again to me, its icon art. heck people think muhammad ali is an antisemite, he is used in posters.. im sure that offends others too.. i understand your point. but as the art community we shouldnt be the moral police.

2002-04-03 14:00:46

Nolen Strals :

yeah phila, it is "just a poster" to you but... it's still "just demeaning" to others. Maybe Ames was saying "god, va beach? another tourist trap commodity! maybe we'll make an obtuse reference to how some music used to once be a vital catalyst for change but is not just more schlock and slick gloss polished turds!" haha. how's that for reading too much into it? this board is running laps around itself...I'm out.

2002-04-03 13:57:53

philaarts.com :

i hear your point. but that is our western world approach to this image. infact in other parts of the world its taken differently. and this image is embraced. just not by the majority of the people.
but. dont look too much into it. sometimes its just a poster.

2002-04-03 13:54:00

smile :

my point was dont look too much into it. if you look at the ames catalog tons of different icons. phil mentioned they do all their posters. imagine instead of doing a built to spill you had to put together 50+ built to spill projects. gets tougher. ps. im sure some smartass will say they can do it.

2002-04-03 13:51:08

rockologist :

phila- yeah, they're political, to an extent. but it's mostly issues which aren't necessarily get them in trouble. they stand up for issues which are noble, but SAFE. this image is not safe. it's very inflammatory, and has a lot of blood and pain and agony behind it. and to me, it's completely demeaning to the struggles in the middle east to slap PJ's name on it. but, revolution is a sellable commodity, just look at all the che guevara merchandise. i LOVE the poster, just wish it didn' say 'pearl jam virginia beach usa' on it.

2002-04-03 13:49:28

rockologist :

nolen-yeah, he's a modern day liberator! and i say you should use that iconography, but maybe not the cat 'logo'. that'd be too easy.

2002-04-03 13:39:26

philaarts.com :

actually pearl jam is very political. but also ethical. when the kids got killed in copenhagen, they wouldnt sell the poster made for the show. the ames just do cool designs and slap pj on the posters. heck they do all their tour posters.. thats alot of content.

2002-04-03 13:36:29

rockologist :

smile- this was done way before any bullshit that happened? man, that 'bullshit' has been going on since before rock posters and rock n roll...even in this incarnation, the imagery here is much older than pearl jam. as a matter of fact, at my work i'm cataloging a huge slide collection of middle eastern studies images, and this REALLY reminds me of iranian posters i've seen from the 70s.

2002-04-03 13:36:08

Nolen Strals :

see? I thought they were pretty much in line with each other, but not totally sure. From the few Coup lyrics I've heard/read it seemed to be on the same point. Myabe I'll still do it...who knows?
Oh but dont' you remember Eddie's "struggle" against "the man" at ticketmaster? and his "fight" to get direct deposit for his Epic Records paycheck?

2002-04-03 13:28:30

smile :

they also do themes of the usa. godzilla etc. this was done way before any bullshit that happened. prehaps just a theme. dont look too much into it

2002-04-03 13:28:23

rockologist :

yeah. i use to run into that dilemma alot when i first started. always wanting to infuse politics into the band's image. sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. i don't think black panther ideology for the coup is out of line or demeaning to the party at all. their own ideology is directly in line with that. they advocate the same plan. however, equating freedom fighters with pearl jam is a total joke and embarrassing, really. but, yeah it is exactly that-pop cultural fodder. boom.

2002-04-03 13:22:30

Nolen Strals :

yeah I thought maybe it was a poster to advertise a meeting of militant indian rebels? I generally like Ames' stuff, too.
See? I was gonna do a Coup poster using the Black Panther's logo/cat on it, but realized it just would lessen the original to an extent ...same dilemma.
Oh but isn't it all just pop cultural cannon fodder?

2002-04-03 13:15:20

rockologist :

hmmm. i like the print, the image, the colors, love the subject matter...but totally inappropriate for the band now that i think about it. besides the fact that it totally demeans any political struggle connected to the image. ugh.

2002-04-03 13:10:31