Here's a little tip for you holiday chefs: If you decide to brine your turkey, make good and goddamn sure it isn't already shot up with saline and shit, because the results will be inetible.
Make sure the label states ALL NATURAL.
"Artist" That's rich.
Hi everybody, hope your all doing well.
I almost forgot about this. Good times.
Well, back to making tons of money and being old.
Might be doing another Sad Reunion show this fall, along with Man Sized Action.
Buk! Buk!
A half-hour or so? Totally worth it. Hilarious. John A chiming in with ::ovenmitt:: every 100 posts is classic.
I can't believe this spans almost 4 years of gp vomment-itude.
Mr. Blonde: I was counting down to 1,000 and cerdo monkey-wrenched the moment of triumph. But he also contributed to the victory, so I'll have to repay the favor.
"In the Rock Music Artistry system, the bands are represented by two separate yet equally important types of gig poster: the RATTs who instigate shitty design, and the Chickens that eat the offenders' bitch asses. These are their stories."
All we have is this moment, nothing more. To extend ourselves beyond that is to live within an illusion. What do we know for sure? I know I have this moment, this singular, ongoing, ever present moment. At least until it passes away, that is I pass away. We can come to see certain perspective truths through looking into the realm of ideas and by objectified time (projecting ourselves forward and back in memory and fantasy).
It's worth saying that there are plenty of ways to create meaning for ourselves, but that's just it, it's self created, not a priori. Most meanings and values exist only within the confines of our mental realm not as a pre-given part of reality. All we really have is this moment. We are sent into this world not knowing who we are, or what we're meant to be, or how we came to be. The only thing we are given is our ongoing moment to moment awareness.
look closely at the background of that ratt image. a lot of people would say it's a griffin but it's not. if a freakin CHICKEN. it all comes back to this! alpha and omega
you should be awed. it's not everyday you get to joust smartass remarks with an old bastard. most of us in the oldfolks home at this point. i'm still relatively sharp and nasty.
What if the chicken poster AND the Ratt poster were always at the top of the top posters? Could we pull that off? Could we? If we all worked together as a community?
Think of how gay that would be.
And I mean GAY as in completely WONDERFUL!
My fiancée plans on heading south for the infamous Black Friday. This poster is not on her shopping list. See what I did there? I kept it relevant! Yo...I wonder how Nate's doing.
This year, I'm cooking my bird with an arcwelder, after rolling it flour.
Can you guess what we're having for dessert? Yes, a delishous brick layer cake.
Who will leave comment #800?
yer dick could never accurately capture that moment of horror expressed on the bird's face at this moment of impact.
i might be wrong about that, though...
actually, considering the name of this band, "rifle sport", this is a remarkably suitable image. it seems to be the moment of impact of the bullet smacking into the poor little bird's brain. kapow!
the arguments on this poster makes it the best poster on gigposters. it got kinda gay when it hit around 300 or so. i dont remember. it was quite a task just reading this.
Re-reading the comments, I've determined that, although this is obviously a turkey, withremote refers to it as a "chicken", and it's his shitty drawing, so a chicken it will be.
Also, did this ever make it onto a t-shirt?
this poster artist has gone on to do far greater things, but will always be remembered for this classic.
(well, it is one of their few hand drawn pieces)
Yeah, but I doubt all the bands with those shittier posters have been so righteously pissed enough to actually find this site, find their shitty poster, and bash the shit out of it.
considering all the ranting and raving, there are a shitload worse posters on this site.. and more depressingly, at least 10 crappier posters up around my city advertising gigs every week
It takes forever to wait for all the comments to load to get to the Add a Comment box. These last couple hundred are gonna be a lot of work. You're really gonna have to want it to take the time to leave a comment.
Man...did you really think this looked good when you did it?
So Withremote's got a classified up for a whole bunch of his posters to fund his move. If this was in there he'd have no problem of selling out at $250. It's priceless!
This poster BETTER be in The Fistful of Rock book. By sheer number of comments, it is definately in top 400 pages of rock posters. It BETTER be in there. Maybe even on the cover.
I wonder if future generations will recognize the cultual significance of this poster. It's really up to all of us to preserve history from the maw of oblivion.
zom-zom 2004-10-15 17:09:55
I'm in three of the bands playing this show. It's very important to us, it's a one-time reunion of Rifle Sport.
We're making our own poster for this show. It will not have a poorly-drawn chicken on it.
This poster really blows, sorry.
hahahahahahaha. so fuggin good! Also, I never really noticed until now- but this dude was gonna play in 3 bands on one show?!?!?!?!? wtf?
im really into the crosshatched stinklines, and the demon bowling ball heads staring back at me from the eyes of the earths most delicious creature, im sharpening knives turkey, yeah im talkin to you.
yes, but Turkey's don't have combs on top of their heads, They look like bald old men with waddles. This thing clearly has a comb. So either it's a chicken with a turkey tail, or it's a Turkey with a chicken hat on.
:o :o :o :lol:
"Second verse, same as the first:
Bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, baaaaawk.
Swing to the east, swing to the west
Swing to the chicken you love best
Come on down & do the chicken squawk with me. "
Second verse, same as the first:
Bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, baaaaawk.
Swing to the east, swing to the west
Swing to the chicken you love best
Come on down & do the chicken squawk with me.
I just received my copy of this beautiful "chicken" poster from Withremote. I believe it is from the original Kinko's print run that Brainiac mentioned. It's a lovely 8.5" X 11".
"so.. why is Nate a snitch? wha happen?"
Because when the Classifieds were new and people were told by Clay to only sell stuff via classifides, no more "FOR SALE" type threads endlessly bumped, Kozik disobeyed and strated a thread to sell more of his cool, yet useless crap. Nate, frustrated with that blatant disregard for authority, the flagrant violation of the Gigposters.com law, "ratted him out" and Kozik got a sound beating. Or maybe the thread got pulled... I don't remember.
good morning mr. chicken. feeling lonely? unloved? confused? don't worry. we all feel that way at some point in our short lives. get out of bed and take in some fresh air. eat a rock. scratch the ground. bask in the sun. just like everyone you were created for a reason although that reason may remain unknown to you for the rest of your days. don't dwell on it. your life is what you make of it, not your creator. you can do anything you set your pea sized brain on. maybe even a metal poster someday.
A turkey! Guh. My whole world has been turned upside down. Black is white. Wrong is right.
I will now go out and found a religious cult and demand human sacrifices to our new turkey god.
Who's with me?
No way! The first person perspective of this poster indicates that the "tail" in the back is actual the chicken's human lover, cradling it in his/her hands and staring lovingly into the chicken's eyes before sucking face with said chicken.
you know what?? the date for the show is 11/24 (thanksgiving is 11/25) and it looks to have that piece of skin that hangs from a turkey's head.
HA! THIS IS A TURKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright, I just stared at it for 30 seconds....I can't suspend my disbelief....Those big eyes are staring back at me and saying "not a turkey..not a turkey.."
"Designing for free isn't exactly great incentive to put out a masterpiece."
Then don't do the poster. Free or not you owe it to the band to put your best effort into it. I pretty much never get paid to do posters or flyers.
Lame excuse.
Hey Cluck-cluck, after all the remarks you've made about this poster, your 3 bands had better be good.
Nate's a good designer. Seems to me that if you guys wanted a better poster, between 5 bands you could have come up with a little cash (& a little more time). Designing for free isn't exactly great incentive to put out a masterpiece.
my gradpappy once told me, "In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us."
perkins-
the bands we do stuff for , for the most part tend to be the same type of music
we seek out bands that play noise rock/art rock and they seek us out
that is the type of music yannick and i are interested THUS the type of clients we tend to get
seripop 2004-10-21 11:20:23
i agree the venue was trying to help
doesmn't change that this is a shitty poster that has zero to do with the music or the fact that the artist has a wack "fuck the bands" 'tude
poster making IS about the bands
that is it
we exist for the bands
if the band hates it , you have failed
Oh, PLEASE. I'm not disagreeing with your basic philosophy, but you can't anyone to believe that you guys design your posters for the bands. If that were the case, the styles of your posters would be as diverse as the bands' music, instead of all looking roughly the same.
howard cosell said:
"It may very well have been one of the most astonishing events to grace the annals of history. An historic, unprecedented avian biped with the temerity to attempt such an herculean achievement formerly
relegated to homosapien pedestrians is truly a remarkable occurrence."
at this point zom zom will agree this poster was great promotion for him, probably better than any other gigposter did in the past.
chicken did its part.
I think Nate should go to the gig and confront Zom-zom-zom, or maybe he is too chicken?
Perhaps he should check out the eggs-its to make sure of a quick getaway.....
when asked why the chicken crossed the road, ken starr replied:
I intend to prove that the chicken crossed the road at the behest of the president of the United States of America, in an effort to distract law enforcement officials and the American public from the criminal wrongdoing our highest elected official has been trying to cover up. As a result, the chicken is just another pawn in the president's ongoing and elaborate scheme to obstruct justice and undermine the rule of law. For that reason, my staff intends to offer the chicken unconditional immunity provided he cooperates fully with our investigation. Furthermore, the chicken will not be permitted to reach the other side of the road, until our investigation and any Congressional follow-up investigations, have been completed. (We also are investigating whether Sid Blumenthal has leaked information to the Rev. Jerry Falwell, alleging the chicken to be homosexual in an effort to discredit any useful testimony the bird may have to offer, or at least to ruffle his feathers.).
lets focus on tur-duck-ens. i mean a turkey stuffed with a duck stuffed with a chicken, is atleast three times cooler than just a chicken.
btw, Nate is good people. I have a dump truck stencile of his hanging in my house, good stuff.
every time i see this i think the chicken is like, mesmorized by something floating in front of it. and whatever that is, is the little reflections in his eyes.
Since three of my bands names are on said chik'n, I hereby authorize anyone to create shirts, panties, cummerbunds or monocles with the offending chik'n image on it.
I was told that it was my chik'n now, so be it.
Sell them at the show, that would be sweet.
i believe this chicken could be the next smoking bunny.
i see stickers, t-shirts, vinyl toys and more in it's future. bow mortals. bow before your new master.
no, withremote did the layout on that poster with my illo on it, he should have known better.
Legal action is in order.
and seripop called you a fucking idiot.
Seripop just called me an IDIOT! I prefer a little hyper, but idiot has a ring to it.............
Poulatarian, You wanna do me huh? Cool, just PM me later.
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DWITT 2004-10-22 12:58:40
I think I was ripped off.
http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=32122
DWITT is taking full responsibility for the chicken episode!
i have to look at it.
per the religion of the divine Chicken, i must look towards the Chicken and pray, 5 times a day.
"oooohhmmmmmmm. cluck cluck. oooohhmmmmmm."
CoCo™ is a false idol. Just a stupid kitten.
Chicken's eyes can see through time. Its beak can crumble mountains. Its talons will crush all in its path. It's feathers can comfort the world, and let it be known that the Chicken is risen, and it is good.
Well I'm not paying the artist a grand for usage on a chicken that I'm not fond of in the first place. But I'm no thief, so I'll draw my own damn chicken. But I don't know if I'm capable of drawing a chicken as ugly as this one. ;)
How much will it cost me to get this ugly fucking chicken poster made into a t-shirt. I'm going to sell them at the show.
Cost estimates!
I need cost estimates!
poulsdfkhsdflkjbns...douchebag, part 2.
Why the hell am I douchebag? I wasn't calling people names. I was just having fun with Pagan who got all upiddy and cluckiddy needing to "understand"
Pagen Writes:
I know a few people that have toured nationaly and internationaly like Billy White from Don Dokken, Jason McMasters from dangerous Toys, are two of the bigger names, I have a lot of friends around the industry that are lesser known and they have friends and we Swauk
:lol: :lol: :lol: :oops: :P :P :lol: 8) :mrgreen:
Clay is sick and may die. Don't bother him, let him sleep. I've decided no one may even look at this poster ever again, let alone comment on it. That's it. It's over. Fini.
Okay, go.
I like these bands as well. I will be flying in from NYC to see the show. (also, mom would like to see me for thanksgiving ;) )
Zom is a cool guy, as are the members of all of these bands. Zom plays a mean guitar, it's always great to see TT bang on the drums, Arcwelder are always a good time, fuck all of these bands are good and fun. This will be a great show. Rifle Sport is a legend in the Entry. I believe that they have played there more times than any other band.
"After reading the comments, I think this poster fits Rifle Sport perfectly."
i'm with 8ball.
withremote's attitude sucks ass, and it will come back to bite him eventually.
this poster sucks ass, which is perfect for the band (as represented here).
zom-zom is a total douchebag.
poulsdfkhsdflkjbns...douchebag, part 2.
philaarts is my hero.
brownthing
Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 36
Location: minneapolism
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a good read indeed....
that chicken thing is truly crapulent. don't care much for any of his other stuff either.
i stopped submitting my prints at gigposters about a year ago cuz of the drama mutha-fucken b.s. that goes on... the site is overrun with wannabes and poseur hacks. not worth the mental energy dump to even browse there more than once a month or so.
http://www.browncrap.com/
So far, in my Internet Message Board career, I've been called:
xom-xom
dum-dum
zim-zum
bum-bum
bom-bom
bon-bon
pom-pom
That's superdooperawesometothemax!
Dokken is old, he is not overly liked either, but the point is I do not know him nor hang with him, I know a Guitarist named Billy White who played in the Dokkens band, so your comments are much like you as a person, Stupid! I was answering a question from someone else, did not know it had to be answered to pom poms liking. You are old, and you are not known, you are nobody and full of shit. Have a nice day.
Second verse, same as the first:
Bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk, baaaaawk.
Swing to the east, swing to the west
Swing to the chicken you love best
Come on down & do the chicken squawk with me.
Bawk, ba
"I know a few people that have toured nationaly and internationaly like Billy White from Don Dokken, Jason McMasters from dangerous Toys, are two of the bigger names, I have a lot of friends around the industry that are lesser known and they have friends and we talk"
Well, I'm sure no Don Dokken! (rhymes with Rockin'!) Fuckin A, dood, you got me there! You hang with Rock Royalty.
I'll bet they're older than me. Go crash your hog into a comic book shop, you old dork.
"As a chef, I dislike recipes that include garlic powder. "
For some reason, I'm reminded of the "dog food? I'll show him dog food!" chef from Caddyshack.
pom pom,
you are the fucking joke, wildly successful my ass never heard of you or your band(s) silly ass chicken represented bands are highly successful,HAW better take ya some depends on your next European tour pom pom.
8ball 2004-10-21 15:45:44
If you love crispy chicken sandwiches - and especially if you don't live in the West - you'll want to try out this clone of the tasty Carl's Jr. creation. The recipe makes four of the addicting chicken sandwiches from the California-based chain, but will also come in handy for making a delicious homemade ranch dressing. Try using some lean turkey bacon, fat-free Swiss cheese, and fat-free mayonnaise if you feel like cutting back on the fat. Then you can eat two.
Ranch Dressing
1/3 cup mayonnaise
2 tablespoons sour cream
1 tablespoon buttermilk
1 1/2 teaspoons white vinegar
1 teaspoon sugar
1/4 teaspoon lemon juice
1/8 teaspoon salt
1/8 teaspoon parsley
1/8 teaspoon onion powder
dash dill weed
dash garlic powder
dash ground black pepper
2 teaspoons hot water
1/2 teaspoon unflavored gelatin
6 to 8 cups vegetable shortening
1 egg
1 cup water
1 cup all-purpose flour
2 1/2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon paprika
1 teaspoon onion powder
1/8 teaspoon garlic powder
4 chicken breast fillets
4 sesame seed hamburger buns
4 lettuce leaves
4 tomato slices
Kraft Swiss cheese Singles
8 slices bacon, cooked
1. Preheat 6 to 8 cups of shortening in a deep fryer to 350 degrees. If you don't have a deep fryer, you can also pan fry using a large frying pan and just a couple cups of shortening.
2. To prepare the ranch dressing, combine all of the ingredients except the water and gelatin in small bowl. Mix the water with the gelatin in a small cup until all of the gelatin is dissolved. Add this gelatin solution to the other ingredients and stir. Cover and chill the dressing until it's needed.
3. Beat the egg and then combine with 1 cup water in a small, shallow bowl. Stir.
4. Combine the flour, salt, paprika, onion powder and garlic powder in another shallow bowl.
5. Pound each of the breast fillets with a mallet until about 1/4-inch thick. Trim each breast fillet until it is round.
6. Working with one fillet at a time, first coat each fillet with the flour, then dredge it in the egg and water mixture. Coat the chicken once again in the flour and set it aside until all of the fillets have been coated.
7. Fry the chicken fillets for 8 to 12 minutes or until light brown and crispy.
8. As chicken is frying, prepare each sandwich by grilling the face of the hamburger buns on a hot skillet over medium heat. Spread about 1 1/2 teaspoons of the ranch dressing on the face of the top and bottom buns.
9. On the bottom bun, stack a leaf of lettuce and a tomato slice.
10. When the chicken is done frying, remove the fillets from the fryer and drain them on paper towels or a rack for a couple minutes.
11. Stack one fillet on the bottom of the sandwich (on top of the tomato), then stack a slice of the Swiss cheese onto the chicken.
12. Arrange the bacon, crosswise, on top of the Swiss cheese, then top off the sandwich with the top bun. Repeat the stacking process for each of the remaining sandwiches.
Makes 4 sandwiches.
This sounds fantastic 8ball. Thanks for sharing. :lol:
philfaarts, you seem to have some sort of problem with people aging and continuing to do things that they love to do. Again, I'm 46. I still play in bands because:
a) I love to do it.
b) I still can do it.
c) People still are entertained by my music.
Instead of getting all embarassingly ageist on us, why don't you just "let it go" that there are people my age still playing in current, cool, and innovative bands? I saw a "comment on this poster" link. I commented on it. I wasn't very mean. It snowballed into a very lovely disaster. You enjoy reading and contributing to this.
And "pagan", "wildly successful" is exactly what I call my Career in Rock. I've been able to tour all over the US and Europe. I've played music that I like and make in front of thousands of people. If you really believe that this piddly poster deal is of much concern to me, you're simply part of the joke yourself.
I shall continue to age, just as each and every one of you is doing at more or less the same rate as me. Personally, I'm not going out complacent, retired and relaxed.
My God you people, it's all been a Big Fucking Hoot, hasn't it?
Poultrypunk,
You really are fixing to get on my nerves, you do not know me but you are fixing too. I know a few people that have toured nationaly and internationaly like Billy White from Don Dokken, Jason McMasters from dangerous Toys, are two of the bigger names, I have a lot of friends around the industry that are lesser known and they have friends and we talk, so I am not as ignorant as you may want to make me appear. It is funny how you would call me kid, is that your feable attempt to talk down to me, make it your last else our conversations will be up to what I call par. If you do not want me to go off on you shut the fuck up you are talking to a 38 year old man, not a kid. Who the hell are you anyways?
If you love crispy chicken sandwiches - and especially if you don't live in the West - you'll want to try out this clone of the tasty Carl's Jr. creation. The recipe makes four of the addicting chicken sandwiches from the California-based chain, but will also come in handy for making a delicious homemade ranch dressing. Try using some lean turkey bacon, fat-free Swiss cheese, and fat-free mayonnaise if you feel like cutting back on the fat. Then you can eat two.
Ranch Dressing
1/3 cup mayonnaise
2 tablespoons sour cream
1 tablespoon buttermilk
1 1/2 teaspoons white vinegar
1 teaspoon sugar
1/4 teaspoon lemon juice
1/8 teaspoon salt
1/8 teaspoon parsley
1/8 teaspoon onion powder
dash dill weed
dash garlic powder
dash ground black pepper
2 teaspoons hot water
1/2 teaspoon unflavored gelatin
6 to 8 cups vegetable shortening
1 egg
1 cup water
1 cup all-purpose flour
2 1/2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon paprika
1 teaspoon onion powder
1/8 teaspoon garlic powder
4 chicken breast fillets
4 sesame seed hamburger buns
4 lettuce leaves
4 tomato slices
Kraft Swiss cheese Singles
8 slices bacon, cooked
1. Preheat 6 to 8 cups of shortening in a deep fryer to 350 degrees. If you don't have a deep fryer, you can also pan fry using a large frying pan and just a couple cups of shortening.
2. To prepare the ranch dressing, combine all of the ingredients except the water and gelatin in small bowl. Mix the water with the gelatin in a small cup until all of the gelatin is dissolved. Add this gelatin solution to the other ingredients and stir. Cover and chill the dressing until it's needed.
3. Beat the egg and then combine with 1 cup water in a small, shallow bowl. Stir.
4. Combine the flour, salt, paprika, onion powder and garlic powder in another shallow bowl.
5. Pound each of the breast fillets with a mallet until about 1/4-inch thick. Trim each breast fillet until it is round.
6. Working with one fillet at a time, first coat each fillet with the flour, then dredge it in the egg and water mixture. Coat the chicken once again in the flour and set it aside until all of the fillets have been coated.
7. Fry the chicken fillets for 8 to 12 minutes or until light brown and crispy.
8. As chicken is frying, prepare each sandwich by grilling the face of the hamburger buns on a hot skillet over medium heat. Spread about 1 1/2 teaspoons of the ranch dressing on the face of the top and bottom buns.
9. On the bottom bun, stack a leaf of lettuce and a tomato slice.
10. When the chicken is done frying, remove the fillets from the fryer and drain them on paper towels or a rack for a couple minutes.
11. Stack one fillet on the bottom of the sandwich (on top of the tomato), then stack a slice of the Swiss cheese onto the chicken.
12. Arrange the bacon, crosswise, on top of the Swiss cheese, then top off the sandwich with the top bun. Repeat the stacking process for each of the remaining sandwiches.
Makes 4 sandwiches.
I know the singer from Mom's Donkey Show.
He saw this and said it was really crappy.
Then he said something else about some other stuff that is none of your business.
Come on Pegan.
...Sorry people, but wildly successful people in the music industry do not have this sort of problem of venues stepping on them, lots of bands demand that they approve the posters.
How the hell would you know what successful people in rock think about this sort of thing? Your talkin chicken crap again kid. Please list the rock stars you've discussed this with. Please list phone numbers as well so I can chat them up.
What are the friggin' odds.....after all this dang discussion, of which I have ignored most...the gul-dern chicken pops up on my random.
Mother-clucker poultry.
I do not think that I understand...This Zom Zom said "My Career in Rock has been wildly successful" Sorry people, but wildly successful people in the music industry do not have this sort of problem of venues stepping on them, lots of bands demand that they approve the posters. I refuse to believe what is said until post number 300!
i just think this could have been done in a more professional manner.
>AGREED. Someone should have contacted the band before making a poster for their show.
i have been in this situation on both sides, i would have never done this publically.
>The poster was posted publically. Then we all saw it. Then Zom made his comment. Then the artist took a big chicken shit on zom (For the second time)
Here's a question, did the band have a look at the poster before it went up?
>No. Nobody told the band they were doing the poster. The club never asked the band anything. Some person was going on vacation and thus, wanted to get it done before they left.
If I were in a band I'd at least want to have a look at the advertisement for my band before it gets spread around the city
>RIGHT. That would have been a nice option.
...rather than have it be a surprise. If the band didn't bother then how is it the poster maker's fault?
> ? The band never new someone took the chicken by the beak and started the poster.
Also, the poster doesn't go with the band? C'mon, that can be said for about 85% of the posters posted.
>Doesn't matter that the poster doesn't *match* the bands as much as the artist spent two seconds making a chicken-shit poster. That's the point here.... That and it's too much fun to watch you everyone SQWAUK! SQWAUK SQWAUK!
Here's a question, did the band have a look at the poster before it went up? If I were in a band I'd at least want to have a look at the advertisement for my band before it gets spread around the city rather than have it be a surprise. If the band didn't bother then how is it the poster maker's fault?
Also, the poster doesn't go with the band? C'mon, that can be said for about 85% of the posters posted.
i agree chole. i failed in the eyes of the band. but i dont think that was what they intended to do.
i just think this could have been done in a more professional manner.
i have been in this situation on both sides, i would have never done this publically.
i agree the venue was trying to help
doesmn't change that this is a shitty poster that has zero to do with the music or the fact that the artist has a wack "fuck the bands" 'tude
poster making IS about the bands
that is it
we exist for the bands
if the band hates it , you have failed
Clearly this poster displays proof that both the artist AND the venue have it in for these bands and will stop at nothing to ensure thier complete and utter failure.
REALEASE THE POULTRY!!!
bottom line.
do you think the venue or the artist had the intent to help the gig or hurt it?
so, things didnt work out. but they tried to do something positive to help, not hurt.
guess when they do their 35 year reunion they will play the target center instead and wont have to worry about little clubs.
if i had a band and was 60, i would stop touring.
if someone did a poster i didnt like, i would contact the artist and the venue privately instead of having a pissfest for the world to see.
pagan-
that's not really how it works
often even if a band DOES take care of getting posters made the venue will make other ones
and often it sucks
everyone in my band is an artist so we usually have one of us take care of posters BUT sometimes the club goes ahead behind our backs
if I had a band I would oversee the posters...
But you don't have a band I guess. So it does not matter what you'd do. You don't know how you'd respond because you are not in zom's shoes. So don't act all high and mighty like you know what the hell your talking about poster-child.
Zom is hot. Not to mention an excellent dancer. Very much like David Bowie i'd have to say. Who i'd much rather be talking about right now. He's Thin, beautiful and married to an amazing woman. Yes, both zom and bowie.
if I had a band I would oversee the posters...
But you don't have a band I guess. So it does not matter what you'd do. You don't know how you'd respond because you are not in zom's shoes. So don't act all high and mighty like you know what the hell your talking about poster-child.
Zom is hot. Not to mention an excellent dancer. Very much like David Bowie i'd have to say. Who i'd much rather be talking about right now. He's Thin, beautiful and married to an amazing woman. Yes, both zom and bowie.
if I had a band I would oversee the posters...
But you don't have a band I guess. So it does not matter what you'd do. You don't know how you'd respond because you are not in zom's shoes. So don't act all high and mighty like you know what the hell your talking about poster-child.
Zom is hot. Not to mention an excellent dancer. Very much like David Bowie i'd have to say. Who i'd much rather be talking about right now. He's Thin, beautiful and married to an amazing woman. Yes, both zom and bowie.
Your right my band is not on there, if I had a band I would oversee the posters and not depend on a venue to make my decision, and then complain about it. That is my opinion on the subject.
That being said there is no way I reading all this shit... I remember reading somewhere that a one Mr. Goodtimes can sum things up nicely. If so, now is the time.
Yes, back to the flat-assed horror of a chicken. Unable to properly incubate the eggs, this ersatz-chicken miserably contemplates it's sad fate with bulging, bilious eyeballs and an empty flat nest.
I have a pimped rigid chopper and a pimped Ducati 749 and I say this chicken drawing sucks diseased hyena ass.
plus withremote will rat you out to the man.
...And the cafe-racer="chick" comment was a good insult?
I believe my "weak" comeback was of the same quality.
Unless of course, you are in poor physical shape and I hit a raw nerve. In which case, I'm sorry.
Ha, you can dish it out but you can't take it. This old dude is only here for laffs and chicken-bashing.
Average chopper-rider around these parts is a 300-pounder. That's why they ride those funny-looking bikes and trikes.
Breaking Circus, yeah, two Rifle Sport members were in that band, I did sound for 'em on tour. That's a band that'll never do a sad reunion though.
not a chicken or a quail at all. This is one of those crayoned "hand turkeys" that my kids used to come home with every year just prior to thanksgiving. :bang:
I usually ride my Moto-Guzzi. Cafe-style. I like to go around curves without shuddering.
I'm still riding it, and have been since April. Plenty of riding time around here, and after that it's beautiful snow.
I've got it.
zom-zom can pay Richie to build the chopper then they can ride out to meet each other in Denver or something and they can exchange zingers over afternoon tea, and it can be webcast so we all can enjoy it LIVE!
Nope. I came here to comment on a craptastic poster that had my band(s) name(s) on it.
I'm on enough Internet Message Boards to entertain myself between making fistfulls of money and playing in Rock Bands.
I probably won't stick around to chat about comic books and stuff with you.
I say when this grows tiresome. You're new here. It's my call really. I am the cat and you are the ball of yarn.
You haven't been properly broken in yet.
They sure can be, but this one won't. Visit flyover land and see.
And no, of course I don't know much about you. Nothing really. Same with you. You know nothing about me.
Now, can we get back to the making fun of each other?
Anyways, choppers, yeah I liked them when I was in Jr. High. Back when Real Bikers made them and rode them. Not when West Coast Choppers and all the rich fucking stars decided they needed Chopper Jewelry. I wrench my own bikes, no choppers involved.
A Chopper? Man, that's like, embarassingly trendy. Do yourself a favour and get a non-cartoon bike that steers and rides properly.
That or a GTO.. well, I suppose that depends on exactly how much of a testosterone-depletion you are experiencing.
So, how's that working out for you?
Personally, I like hard work. But you, you live in the City of Hippies I see. Your mornings of Wake 'n Bake followed by hanging out at The Comic Book Shoppe are going to get you nowhere fast. Or slowly.
Cause see...what I do is...I use my brain to figure out how to reap maximum reward with minimum work.
Thats called using your brain. I'm all about leisure.
Who cares if I saw them. Sound like a bunch of pussies to me.
It's definitely that mid west thing. You guys never got anything right. You shoulda moved to a coast and doen something.
Bought Songs About Fucking, listened to it, never got into it. Maybe I was expecting something different from the album, I remember reading about it in Pus-Zone in Thrasher, that is what lead me to get it, got a great review.
I'm 36, I am not Kool with the Kids...
relax, it's a fucking poster
you are so bent out of shape about it I was having some fun, you remember what fun is grandpa or should I say faggot?... (your words not mine)
Yeah, there must have been something wrong with me since I did not like Big Black... :roll: not my bag, I liked other bands instead.
Keep on rockin' like Dokken
I've come here on and off, thanks to DWITT's work, to check out other artists and their work. I've never commented on any other posters and felt no need to.
This involves me and my stuff so I did comment. A lot. What fun.
"OUCH... sorry grandpa, I will be over here at the kids table."
See, this is the sort of shit-talk that will get you nowhere. You could replace "grandpa" with "faggot" or any other term that you would consider derogatory.
But obviously it's okay to talk down to someone based simply on their age. Ageism is Kool with the Kids, I guess. Funny, when I was a younger feller I looked up to the older dudes that did cool stuff when they were younger.
By the way, I'm not a grandpa, I'm not even a Pa.
You didn't like Big Black when you were 17? What's wrong with you?
OUCH... sorry grandpa, I will be over here at the kids table.
I bow to the King of Clever.
(just to appear even less clever, I will let you in on a secret... that is sarcasm - just like the sarcasm I used in previous comments - look it up, it's a real word.)
As far as Albini is concerned, he owes me $8 for a Big Black album I bought when I was 17 - didn't like it.
"I set a record of cooking 18 quail with an arc welder, battered in flour and served with a brick layer cake.
Fuck Steve Albini, let's see him do that"
I give you a very low score for cleverness, with a bonus deletion of points for attempted Albini-Slagging, which is a sure sign of envy of this hard-working man's deserved successes.
Steve did a cover for our EP in 1985.
He also respects the way the French invented so many ways to cook chicken. This is a chicken. If you think otherwise, you are wrong. I know from quails.
I've got guns, I have hunted for many, many years. Never went quail hunting. I don't know any quail-hunters.
I have seen quail though, and this looks nothing like a quail. It looks like a chicken, if it looks like any "real" bird at all.
I did work for First Avenue for four years, I know a bit how it works around there, but it's much, much worse now due to certain people being removed from their jobs.
We've always promoted our own shows, I guess that I didn't even think that they would just let anyone at all crank out a poster for our show. They could have asked us if we wanted one. Perhaps they should do this with all the bands.
And for you kids, "Rifle Sport" was the name of a "shooting gallery" and arcade that used to be in downtown Minneapolis. Our name has nothing to do with hunting.
Alright, I've been following this thing from the get go. When I saw that rifle sport was booked in the entry, I knew that it was kind of a big deal. I've been going to that club for the past 12 or so years and working at or working with first ave for the past 4 or 5. I couldn't remember in that time when Rifle Sport had last played there. but from working there, I knew they were Minneapolis old school because one of their posters for an entry show, made by Flour, has been hanging in the booking office for years complete with serious yellowing. but I've also learned from working at first ave, that it is a complete dinosaur and many things are handled in a backwards ass manner. anyone who has worked there, or any local bands that have played there more than a couple times know this even if they love the club and the people that work there. Posters and other promo material have always been handled there in a mediocre to poor fashion. this is especially evident right now. first ave went from paying a whopping $20 a flyer to $0 for the people that do work for them regularly. anyone that does work for them is doing it pro-bono. this creates an enviornment where things like this can happen. right now, posters are handed out like chores and without any artistic guidance. Someone new came on without deep knowledge of Minneapolis rock history and handed out this work order with no mention of the shows significance.
So I don't think withremote did any thing wrong necessarily by making this flyer, but I do think you should care what the band thinks of it. And you should be ready for this type of criticism on things that are admittedly dashed off.
But to the band, I'm sure with your extensive history in Minneapolis, you are familiar with how first ave handles things, so it takes you right back to the old motto of if you want something done right, do it yourself. If you don't want first ave's in-house flyers circulating, you'll have to tell them that your own ad-mat will be coming. Otherwise, they'll treat it just like one of the other 300 shows that happen in the 7th st. entry every year.
I "let it go" a long, long time ago. Now I'm simply pecking at the chicken.
Can't I have any fun? That's what Rock Stars do, you know. Have fun.
And you know what? We are making our own poster. Flour has always done our posters. Check his artwork out, I uploaded an old poster under Rifle Sport.
I have very strong feelings and opinions regarding art. Isn't this a good place to directly confront an artist about his/her work? And, if the artwork somehow involves my art, shouldn't I be able to go on and on about it ad nauseum?
I'll be as repetitive as I like. Like a peckity-peck-pecking chicken, bobbing at bugs.
jimmys chicken shack?
all i know is i dont wanna piss off fisher. anything else is secondary.
plus richie is in a band. he can enlighten us.
rock poster?
I think he should keep saying it until people actualy start listening to him. having the opion of an actual band is a good perspective we don't always get around here.
dude, fucking let it go.
dont rock stars have anything better to do? you made your point, you and the artist fought infront of the world... now, like go "rock out with your cock out" or whatever the fuck your band does.
and next time do you own flyer.
christ.
I was also thinking about how the largest singular item on this poster is the chicken. If it was advertising chicken, I suppose that would be fine. But I should think that the band names should be larger than the chicken.
But they're not. They're a tiny footnote as it were.
"Come for the chicken, stay for the bands".
I could NOT believe my eyes when I saw this poster for THIS show.
Is someone calling first ave and requesting that they not use this!?!
The attitude of the artist is a bummer.
I am never eating bird again.
Odd poster. Sometimes on here "child like innocence” is hailed as genius. In this case someone from one of the bands (several of the bands as it were) hated the poster. In the end the bands are the client not the club. We are promoting the bands performance. This logic of “fuck what the band thinks” is what is wrong with the entire music industry. There would be no poster art, clubs or record labels if it were not for the music. Zom Zom should actually be able to say what ever he wants about this and how he feels should be the last word.
DAMN!
The heat on this thread has cooked this chicken.
I can't wait to see it around town or GIANT in the venue.
Nate, humility isn't always bad. People respect it as much as good art. (sometimes)
oh. also. prehaps this could have been done not in front of the whole world.. alike the other poster this weekend that got pulled.
like, maybe im wrong. but certainly a few phone calls would have been ok.
when im wrong, i say im sorry and things usually get smoothed out.
im just sayin.
Withremote fucked this up. See, this is a big Touch & Go/Mlps/Albini-styled reunion. I don't know Kontrol Panel, but the other four bands have dozens of records between them. This show is screaming for some kind of midwest/industrial/farm-style poster, that's an obvious first idea. many other concepts would work too.
I like blackened chicken.
"I wont appoligise to you or any other member of the band. I'm proud of everything i post. If it's not of good enough quality to post in a public forum no one ever will see it. Don't fucking knowck my chicken....well, actually your chicken."
That right there is some of the most fucked up shit that I ever heard. I feel like apologizing to this man just because the chicken poster came out of my city.
i thought it was a rooster.
anyway. i feel bad for the artist, as he was just trying to do some promo for a club that requested his services.
but whatever.
I wonder why people at these rock music clubs don't seem to just contact someone in headlining band about a poster for the show? I've run into this trouble before. Personally, I like choosing a poster artist myself for local (MPLS) shows.
"If you don't know the bands, why would you do their poster? To me, it's simply self-promotion and takes no consideration of the product as advertised. It's all about the "designer" and their ego.
"
yup
i only do stuff for bands i like
The rush was caused partly by the venue...well, mostly because of the venue's promotions director who was goign otu of town and need these posters before she went out of town.
I did sit down and listen to some arcwelder tracks before i started this flyer. An email came to me AFTER i had hand placed the lettering for Arcwelder to be the headligning band that the actual headlinign band was Rifle Sport. Never hear dof them, couldnt find any tracks.
With the time alowed i sat down at my drafting table and started to draw arcs and lines untill it started to look like somehting. It just happen to start looking like a chicken, so with my time constraints i went with it.
I wont appoligise to you or any other member of the band. I'm proud of everything i post. If it's not of good enough quality to post in a public forum no one ever will see it. Don't fucking knowck my chicken....well, actually your chicken.
Zom - I must admit that the "chicken poster" is growing on me. Not because of its artistic merit or because of its representation of the bands, but because I can't get it out of my head and I keep getting a bit of a chuckle out of it. I can't help but to laugh whenever I think of the whole "chicken poster" debacle. It's forever etched into my memory and this show will forever be the "chicken poster" show to me. I look forward to seeing Flour's poster, and look forward to seeing you all next month.
"Still, if you can't crank out something decent rather quickly, why bother? I completely understand the situation. "
Yup.
I considered taking on some of these rush flyers myself, but realized I just didn't have the time, even though my want to do more flyers for First Ave was pretty great.
Oh well.
In some cases, yes.
This show will sell out, posters or not.
Still, if you can't crank out something decent rather quickly, why bother? I completely understand the situation.
I have not heard from the Chicken-Maker regarding his artistic statement defending said chicken, just excuses due to time restrictions. Yet, the Chicken has been scanned and uploaded to a web site for all too see, proudly displayed as a Gigposters.com representation of his craft.
first ave sent out an email on tuesday night, looking for 18 flyers by thursday. some folks just tried to help out and knock out some flyers for them. though not a solid defense of this chicken, it does explain the sitution.
i suppose no flyer is better though.
Thanks, but that's already covered.
I suppose the main thing that bothers me is that I've always put everything possible into my work and will not do things in a cavalier fashion. It reminds me of a flyer some kid did around '87 when we were on tour on the East Coast, it had a crappy skull with a mohawk drawing and described us as "New York Hardcore". We were not from New York and not a hardcore band.
If you don't know the bands, why would you do their poster? To me, it's simply self-promotion and takes no consideration of the product as advertised. It's all about the "designer" and their ego.
Zom Zom, you want another poster made to match your bands personality? I will slam out some hardcore shit, I will make you to your specs what is you need. let me know.....
"I agree withremote, if this poster gave you heft to push this many comments about your band, he did very well for you!"
"So do you guys only comment on the ones that piss you off? If this one grabs that much attention to it i'd say it was somewhat successful."
I've never bothered to look at any of the stuff on this site at all, someone provided the information that this poster was up on here. So I looked at it, and to my disgust there was a poor-quality Chicken Poster with my band(s) name on it.
These are the only comments I've made on any poster. If another poster is made for any of my bands, and I dislike it, I'll comment on it. If I had happened to like it, I would have said so.
I dislike it, and I believe it to be a hack job of "poster art". It shows very little creativity, craftsmanship, insight to the bands that are "advertised" on it. Perhaps these posters should be submitted for approval by the bands, I don't know. It's just that it's got the name of my projects on it, and I believe that people think that this was somehow authorized by us. Maybe it's the system that sucks, but it's also the Chicken Poster that sucks.
And the poster itself did not grab attention, my negative comments did. It did very poorly for me and the bands, and now we'll have to see these stupid posters as somehow representative of our music. Do you understand?
I'd still like to know why you 'drew' a chicken. also, whats that thing in its chin/ is it a wattle?
why does it have 4 eye reflections?
i mean..if your into chickens...maybe a clip art of a cockfight?
who'd you squeal on this week, stoolie?
If a band told me they hated a poster I did I would try to be a little humble. In fact If I missed the mark as far as this guy says you did I would be more than a little humble. I would be appologetic.
In my opinion we owe the bands our very best. We should strive to make posters that represent them. I know that is not a very popular idea around here but it should be.
Do 5 minutes of research on any band and you can come up with a poster that fits. It's not that hard.
If your desire is to make your own "art" then take the band names off and make art prints. That way you are not responsible to anybody but yourself.
You know I don't sleep. Lots of comments do not a good poster make. I was commenting on the fact that you said that you made this poster not so good because you had to finish a lot of posters in a short period of time. I am of the opinion that it would serve you better in the long run to make a few posters and take more time on them.
If you are defending the artistic integrity of this poster then I respect you no matter what I think of it.
If you are saying that you made a crap poster because you didn't have enough time to make a good one then I think you should rethink your approach to poster making. This is only my opinion.
I also think you should do what you want to do regardless of what any of us say. You will ultimately reap whatever seeds you sow whether they be good or bad seeds.
I am not trying to be mean here in the least. I have made a rule not to accept jobs if I cannot provide the absolute best end product that I am capable of.
Because of this I only get two posters a month completed. I think it is worth it in the end and I believe that I make more money in the long run.
careful, cause withremote will rat you out to the man at the drop of a hat.
he ratted me out.
now that I observe the chicken...I believe I understand his rage.
If I was given a "time frame" of two hours, perhaps I would draw something as lame as a line-drawing of a big-eyed chicken. But I doubt it.
I would rather submit nothing at all. And the fact that the arteest bothered to put it up on the web so all can see it's feathered ugliness leads me to believe that someone was proud of this chicken-drawing.
You design for free? Well, I play music for "free" as well, and yet I don't let that dictate the quality of my art and work. Nowhere did I post anything about wanting a poster with a picture of the band. Actually, I never wanted anyone to have to rush into making a craptastic chicken poster. This show isn't for over a month. The chicken will not help ticket sales.
If you're tired of "designing" for "free", I'll bet Gold'n Plump would be interested in your Chicken Art.
what foul?
I was given a time frame of about 2 hours to do 4 posters. I started drawing, this is what i came up with. Amelia liked it. If you think a poster with a band photo on it would be better than you should do one for your self. I design for free fuckers.
my old roommate brian used to play with and record most of these bands. and i think he designed an arcwelder cover or two. you probably know him, zom zom. he's from minneapolis. lives in chapel hill these days. i really like this chicken, though.
linkee no workee... bummer.
submiting posters is very easy. Just upload the image (600 pixels at it's longest side) and fill in the information on each page.
Follow the 'Submit' button at the top of the page.
If it's easy, I will.
Flour never had a show, or promoted his artwork at all. It's really great stuff.
Can you post links on here? I'll try:
http://www.zom-zom.com/images/rs.13.gif
Yeah, you do!
Anyways, Flour always used to do our posters. He's a brilliant artist and has done amazing posters. I think I have some scanned and on my server if you'd like to see them.
Anyways kids. you're as young as you feel.
Come to the show and see. Find the records and buy them. It's easy.
Do you guys need a quick Rock Connection rundown?
Rifle Sport, first album put out in '83 on Reflex records, Husker Du's label.
Todd Trainer and Flour also played in Breaking Circus. Flour put out four solo albums, Todd Trainer released four albums as Brick Layer Cake. I play on two of them and tour and play with BLC. Todd also plays drums for Shellac.
If I post Emptythrees you'll just say that the singer sounds like a chicken.
I've got vinyl, if you'd like a copy of my choice of Rifle Sport albums send me something I like.
Do a search, look the shit up. Why should I make it easy for you? I turned 46 today. Do you think I give a shit whether or not you like my band(s) anymore? My Career in Rock has been wildly successful.
Nah, it's just a dumbass chicken.
But sure, that's probably the first thing that I think about when I see that Rifle Sport is playing in the Entry after not having played there in over 10 years. A fucking chicken.
I hate to be a critic. Well, not really, I do enjoy it but this poster just sits there and looks like a dumb fucking chicken.
Did the artist ever listen to any of these bands? I would like to know.
I'm in three of the bands playing this show. It's very important to us, it's a one-time reunion of Rifle Sport.
We're making our own poster for this show. It will not have a poorly-drawn chicken on it.
This poster really blows, sorry.
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