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Jason Cross  
Jason Cross  
2004-07-18 22:19:39
High On Fire
Beyond The Sound

High On Fire Poster - Launchpad, Albuquerque - Jason Cross

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vastaghSend vastagh a message :   ah good times randomizer   2011-01-26 16:54:37
RADARSend RADAR a message :   Random classic.   2008-03-02 11:11:27
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   still rocks !   2006-10-03 18:03:27
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   fvcking great   2006-09-27 17:01:07
msaputoSend msaputo a message :   How did I miss this? Good discussion.   2006-03-14 23:09:42
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   one of my favorite posters, have a really groovy one at home   2006-02-17 06:42:45
wallySend wally a message :   [QUOTE]But most music scenes are full of dorks[/QUOTE]
  2006-02-17 02:17:26
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   What an awsome read. Lots of good ground covered by many people here.
  2006-02-17 01:12:43
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   Viking Funeral.   2005-06-24 00:37:54
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   awesome design,great print job.hores latitudes or what was on the mind of Ishmael   2005-06-22 20:51:44
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   this really speaks to me   2005-04-04 11:24:59
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   rules, totally rules.   2005-03-17 10:43:45
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   this rules in person.   2005-01-01 11:43:57
nemotronSend nemotron a message :   now ive got it, and its framed and i love it that much more. thanks jason for blessing the universe with this print   2005-01-01 01:22:32
nemotronSend nemotron a message :   207 - i still love it.   2004-11-18 15:04:17
Steve ChanksSend Steve Chanks a message :   205?   2004-11-18 14:57:23
PediniSend Pedini a message :   still one of my favorite posters of this year   2004-11-18 13:50:40
EdGossageSend EdGossage a message :   burn!   2004-11-18 12:46:29
fauverSend fauver a message :   thank you randomizer for blessing e with this kick ass poster on this such a slow day   2004-09-03 17:18:15
modrocket10Send modrocket10 a message :   I own this now and it's great in person. take it for a spin and you'll love it too.   2004-08-23 20:13:09
nemotronSend nemotron a message :   did i mention this poster is fucking awesome? it is. fuck all yall.   2004-08-23 19:56:28
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   200 :dance: :dance:   2004-08-23 19:18:21
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   199   2004-08-23 19:18:00
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   198   2004-08-23 19:17:51
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   197   2004-08-23 19:17:43
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   196   2004-08-23 19:17:31
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   195   2004-08-23 19:17:20
matdalySend matdaly a message :   hey jason, this is really beautiful. my only critique would be that the type should have been hand inked as well. but really, nice work, as usual.   2004-08-23 18:04:15
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   I think Jason is the Leonard Nemoy of metal   2004-07-20 12:36:09
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   i just had some sweet salsa with wasnt sweet in taste...but sweet because it tasted so good...i am having more.   2004-07-20 11:56:45
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Dude...I just had the fucking best Breakfast Burrito. Bacon, Sausage, Hash Browns, good salsa, eggs...
It was so fucking good. I'm full but I totally want to go get another.
  2004-07-20 11:54:44
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   mdaines - i had no problems with mikes comments...i was interested in his opinion and wouldnt want him to just tell me its good...I honestly give a shit about his opinion...and i had told him a day or so before to be looking out for this. thanks for the support though...but mike is really coming from a good place and i nvere took any of his comments as negative, just constructive.   2004-07-20 11:53:12
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   just got back from giving these to the promoter and he fucking shit himself with glee. luckily he wears depends.   2004-07-20 11:51:06
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Oh, and this got my attention becasause Jason is a friend of mine and I generaly take the time to see what he is up to. I like his posters most of the time.   2004-07-20 11:48:23
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   mdaines,
Lets just say that the metal scene is what it is. If you feel like you can change it, be my guest.
  2004-07-20 11:47:31
kozikSend kozik a message :   did you pierce your whang?   2004-07-19 23:15:11
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I tried to be part of the scene. Bought all the records and magazines...   2004-07-19 22:54:46
mdainesSend mdaines a message :   Mxfluo: I guess I call it "insecure" because you mention metal kids not caring about artwork and imagery, yet you harp on how posters such as this that don't embody the aesthetic will somehow HURT such a scene. I kind of got the impression that there is supposed to be this feeling of needing to CARRY THE TORCH in terms of AESTHETICS, which is fucking ridiculous.
I think it's clear (and it has been my observation, in Calgary) that for dedicated scenes, the type of imagery used in a poster doesn't affect things much at all. People are looking for a name, or names connected to those they know, etc. This poster sort of doesn't satisfy that, since the information is very small.
But if this IS important, what else do you call the idea (or the concern or perhaps the fear) that a poster such as this will reflect poorly on a venue or a band? Is HERALDRY more important to the metal scene than others? Is the conformance of heraldry very important as well?
As an aspiring poster-maker, I kind of have this idea that it's important to make INTERESTING POSTERS. Is this NAIVE of me? I'm part of a scene here in my city, and the BEST compliments I get have been people saying that a few of the posters I've made look very different from anything else they've seen put up as advertising for shows. Then again, I'm active in a niche (the open promotion collective that I'm part of) that seems to be willing (within logical and logistical limits) to give any band (and most any kind of band) who asks a show. There is a fairly wide variety, I think.
I must note that here, the (sometimes Christian) hardcore (I hear what I'm talking about is actually called "metalcore" or something) bands that sometimes play on bills that have nothing else similar will draw a lot of kids from "that" scene, no matter what the poster looks like.
And finally, I must say that I don't really know why this poster WOULDN'T attract any person's attention. I mean, it attracted yours, Mxfluo. You have the first comment.
  2004-07-19 22:48:23
EdGossageSend EdGossage a message :   I just found out that cross used MY ink for the last two colors.... thats so metal its not even funny.   2004-07-19 22:00:35
birdsandrabbitsSend birdsandrabbits a message :   i see pandas in the top of the smoke. me seeing pandas means this is great!   2004-07-19 19:57:33
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Kendra - i tried a bombing military thing...skull, murder scene shit and it all felt so obvious and just without effort...and i just didnt feel like it was it.
i did this with way more black and it just killed and composition...
so after many different looks and angles this one got worked out of seeing some ocean paintings and i went with it and felt it...
  2004-07-19 19:23:25
modrocket10Send modrocket10 a message :   I really respect Fisher cause he isn't scared to speak his mind. I love seeing both sides and Mike brings that. I may not always agree with him but thatís what makes things interesting. Still I like this poster and think a lot of others will too once they hold the screenprinted goodness in their hands.   2004-07-19 19:22:20
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   mike...i really appreciate your comments and truely have digested them. dont change that is needed...I feel if this only served to crete a platform for debate then it has done a good job.
i think more than anything the discussion has proven things are not black and white.
anyway...dont hold your crits back know i can take em and i hope you know I appreciate them.
  2004-07-19 19:16:13
danieldangerSend danieldanger a message :   i aint reading all this.
i like it. fire in the snowy mountains. its just subtle, thats all.
  2004-07-19 18:58:52
Casey BurnsSend Casey Burns a message :   this is the kind of discussion i really love reading on here. (the fisher/cross side of it). i'm siding with fisher on this one. this is a beautiful painting, and the subject matter is certainly appropriate for high on fire, but the execution is inappropriate. from ten feet away on a wall, it doesn't scream "viking funeral!!!" it screams "beautiful impressionistic painterly screenprint with small text!"
it's okay though. i made a lame melvins poster once. didn't look half as good as this, but it just wasn't "melvins," you know?
  2004-07-19 18:53:15
mike kingSend mike king a message :   i like this jason is the leroy nieman of metal   2004-07-19 18:52:57
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   attn:Mike Fisher Please refrain from stating your OPINION from now on. Everyone should play nice and ONLY post 100% positive comments on others work from now on. Thank You in advance   2004-07-19 18:42:37
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   [QUOTE]But most music scenes are full of dorks[/QUOTE]
truer words have never been spoken
  2004-07-19 18:40:29
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   "You really paint a DEPRESSING picture of the metal scene, MaximumFluoride. Is everyone really such an insecure dork? Sometimes I like such imagery as you speak of, but often it is VERY BADLY DONE.
Jason Cross, however, did not paint a depressing picture here."
Insecure? What did I say that was insecure? I am anything but that. I am simply stating what I know from years in the scene. Things people not in the scene might not know.
I agree plenty of that stuff is really poorly done. The thing is, those people LIKE it that way. They understand it. Thye don't think it looks bad. It is important to them that they can identify with something immedietly. If not.... it doesn't fit into thier scene. It's a pretty simple concept. It applies to EVERY scene in the world.
Are most metal scenesters dorks? yep. But most music scenes are full of dorks. It's just the way it is. Nothing special about it.
Funny how some simple conversation gets me called names. I don't recall calling anybody names in this thread.
  2004-07-19 18:38:23
KJSend KJ a message :   okay... seriously, a question to jason... pls share... what were some of your other ideas before you got to this one?   2004-07-19 18:29:28
ShawnySend Shawny a message :   my friends and i had a discussion about his once. one of my friends called my gal (though not my gal at the time) 'kinda hot.' now, what he meant was 'very hot,' but he didn't want to come across overly crass. so yeah, i think richie likes you.   2004-07-19 18:26:24
KJSend KJ a message :   :oops: i'm kidding of course   2004-07-19 18:26:02
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message : are extremely hot.   2004-07-19 18:23:50
Brendan JordanSend Brendan Jordan a message :   Good Poster.   2004-07-19 18:23:00
KJSend KJ a message :   you're "kinda" funny richie   2004-07-19 18:22:52
KJSend KJ a message :   "kinda"? :lol: thats like saying   2004-07-19 18:22:30
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Not an issue Kendra. You're kinda hot so your opinion is always valid.   2004-07-19 18:19:31
ShawnySend Shawny a message :   i don't have time right now to chime in on this one intellectually, but i'd just like to say right now that this is a gorgeous poster.   2004-07-19 18:18:56
KJSend KJ a message :   :o sometimes i wonder if you guys would even think my opinion is valid... i've seen every poster on here since we started it day one and i still feel fucking insecure that i dont meet the validity quotients.   2004-07-19 18:17:44
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   You've never been a part of anything have you?   2004-07-19 18:15:06
mdainesSend mdaines a message :   You really paint a DEPRESSING picture of the metal scene, MaximumFluoride. Is everyone really such an insecure dork? Sometimes I like such imagery as you speak of, but often it is VERY BADLY DONE.
Jason Cross, however, did not paint a depressing picture here.
  2004-07-19 18:12:45
Beto RamirezSend Beto Ramirez a message :   This is great. Maybe poster of the next week... Saludos desde Mexico!   2004-07-19 16:36:53
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   these will be available after the show on the 8th of august...if you are interested in this email me and I will add you to my mailing list and make sure you have a chance to get one.
thanks agai for all teh feedback.
  2004-07-19 15:36:53
table9Send table9 a message :   i was going to read all the comments, but instead i'll just say that i think this poster is great and I want one for my wall.   2004-07-19 14:32:52
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Geez. I go to the driving range for 3 hours and come back to find that not only do my irons need a lot more work, but that no one has fully resolved this situation.
I'm truly disappointed.
  2004-07-19 14:19:32
DaniVachonSend DaniVachon a message :   155 comments, holy christ... yeah, well i like it too.   2004-07-19 14:14:04
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   brown town: it's a roomy club once you get past the bouncers   2004-07-19 13:57:41
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   awesome...fine art piece right here   2004-07-19 13:45:59
perkinsSend perkins a message :   "and where trucker caps, your not metal." :lol:
I like this poster. That's a pretty bad ass painting. I saw it as a volcano though.
I kind of agree with some of Max's points, but he's a hardcore fan & has much stronger feelings about it than I would. I don't really think the average fan is going to critique this that deeply. They may not give a shit at all. Every poster on this site is more or less an interpretation of the band by each individual artist. Jason's interpretation is pretty fucking striking, even if it may not be the favorite of some diehard fans.
I'm also one to try & shy away from the traditional stereotypical imagery & attempt something fresh, in my own style. Mike didn't like my Slayer poster either, & I totally understood where he was coming from. Slayer loved it though.
If HOF adds a keyboard player for their next CD, I guess we'll know this poster fucked them up.
  2004-07-19 13:38:07
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   fancy.   2004-07-19 13:30:38
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   ferg...damn i wish i still had that Tick art...i spent hours on that fucker.
  2004-07-19 13:30:21
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Drexel dropout. Full scholarship.   2004-07-19 13:30:17
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   you went somewhere fancy...i thought that was it but i may be wrong...or your just embarrased...why i have no idea.
glad your date went well though.
  2004-07-19 13:29:09
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   two words bro "brown town"   2004-07-19 13:28:57
kozikSend kozik a message :   we are just grateful you finally went out with a girl.   2004-07-19 13:25:43
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I didn't go to Carnegie Mellon.   2004-07-19 13:24:07
standardSend standard a message :   Damned proud.   2004-07-19 13:23:23
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Carnegie Melon and Olympic swimming...tahts all i gots to say.   2004-07-19 13:23:14
kozikSend kozik a message :   we are all very proud of you Richard.
it's good you are finally getting over your bi-curious art school phase.
  2004-07-19 13:15:02
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I went out with a super hot chick last night.   2004-07-19 13:14:01
kozikSend kozik a message :   I thought you where BLACKEMO   2004-07-19 13:13:08
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I'm fucking dirt metal.   2004-07-19 13:10:56
kozikSend kozik a message :   10,000 maniacs is METAL AS FUCK   2004-07-19 13:09:48
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Mike, this venue is not a metal is like the only venue in town...i saw Yo la tengo there to just a few weeks ago. So this will not destroy their image...because all the shows in this town are promoted by the same wnna see a show at a different venue you can goto Phoenix or Denver. thanks for all of the comments for and against...and where trucker caps, your not metal.   2004-07-19 13:09:45
Smoove BSend Smoove B a message :   For what its worth to me,
MaxFlo, you continually speak eloquently (definitely not metal by the way) and you've made me really rethink my thoughts on this poster. I on the other hand, do not speak eloquently, thats why this post sounds gay. Carry on.
  2004-07-19 12:54:30
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   "Motorhead/Venom and Sabbath.
those band all rule. they are all pure. ..maybe thats why Im not digging HOF. they sound sorta like this and not quite like that.
  2004-07-19 12:50:06
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   when Avenged Sevenfold played the Triple Rock, I was sitting through the soundcheck, where they were CONSTANTLY tweaking things (they ended up doing it through their entire set, too). A little more this, a little less this, every single band member, and Erik from Dillinger Four says to me after a drag on his cigarette, "This scene is killing me." Dillinger Four is very much a, "plug in, turn it up and play" band. God bless Dillinger Four.
that is the end of my story... back to the shipwreck at sea...
  2004-07-19 12:48:56
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   They are my sons Jordans favorite band right now. Them and Avenged Sevefold.   2004-07-19 12:42:50
MoreguinnessSend Moreguinness a message :   I'm not really digging this regardless of the band it was designed for. Just not my thang   2004-07-19 12:39:23
vastaghSend vastagh a message :   wow, cool poster. cant believe their arent that many comments on this.   2004-07-19 12:33:36
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   I agree about the new Atreyu. Its still pretty good in my opinion. The "Suicide Notes" was much more metal. I don't know if they have changed they're live show since last year, but catch it if you can. Lots of synchronized guitar movements and stuf flike that. Its equally awesome, lame, and funny as hell. Good band.   2004-07-19 12:28:37
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Personaly I think HOF is the best band around right now, but thats just me. It seems hard to imagine not liking a band that sounds like a perfect mix of Motorhead/Venom and Sabbath.
I got the new Atrayu disk this weekend. I wouldn't really consider it to be metal. The Bon Jovi cover made me chuckle though.
  2004-07-19 12:25:48
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   "My sons like metal and they HATE HOF. They hate all stoner metal in fact. "
I love metal and i would have to say i HOF is not that rad.
  2004-07-19 12:23:38
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   Headbangers Ball and Uranium are showing a lot of the upcoming metal bands like Unearth, Every Time I Die, Atreyu, etc. Its good stuff. I'll have to try out the High On Fire business.   2004-07-19 12:21:18
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Ian and Jordan...are dead to me...   2004-07-19 12:21:06
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I like some of the stuff they show on Uranium. I havn't watched in a while. Thye seem to be showing good stuff on Headbangers Ball these days. Thye even showed HOF videos. Go figure.
My sons like metal and they HATE HOF. They hate all stoner metal in fact.
  2004-07-19 12:19:03
kozikSend kozik a message :   look..I like designed posters just fine. this is nicely illustrated and designed.
end of mutherfucking story.
  2004-07-19 12:16:22
bdixSend bdix a message :   That show "Uranium". I've been watching a lot of it lately, wondering which of those bands you're in to. Some pretty good shit.   2004-07-19 12:16:21
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Yeah I do, Bobby. Why do you ask?   2004-07-19 12:15:17
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Again, everyone on this site who posts posters is a "designer." Designer in no way means "non-rock." Weird.   2004-07-19 12:12:28
bdixSend bdix a message :   Mike, do you get the Fuse channel on cable?   2004-07-19 12:12:09
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Same band. id the old site. From like 1999 or so.   2004-07-19 12:09:45
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   i had the wrong band I think. is different   2004-07-19 12:08:30
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   know jason will understand my comments on this. ...I would never expect jason to do the typical thing. But if he wanted to it would be done well. He did a poster for a harcore band I was in like 14 years ago. the band was called TICK. He illustrated this crazy massive tick destroying a city. it was probably the raddest poster I have ever seen. ..Like perfect fisheye perspective and the line work was awesome. Jason can draw his fucking ass off and if he wanted to he could do a typical metal poster better than most of the people on this site.   2004-07-19 12:08:09
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   I agree with maxflo.. likewise, there are bands who require more "designer", non-rock poster imagery.. you wouldn't do a topless cross-eyed girl weilding battle axes for Iron & Wine now would you   2004-07-19 12:07:43
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Wether or not somebody thinks they are good has nothing to do with this discussion.
I have heard a couple of songs for the new record and they are as good as any metal songs ever written. Shit is going to be destroyed when the new disc comes out.
  2004-07-19 12:07:24
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Wha? What did he say?   2004-07-19 12:06:25
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   Everyone's entitled...   2004-07-19 12:06:16
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   2004-07-19 12:05:59
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Whoa, I think MaxFlo's head exploded.   2004-07-19 12:04:55
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   Is this the same High On Fire as at They aren't very good. And I'm a big metal fan.   2004-07-19 12:01:48
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Something to keep in mind here. I explained this to Jason a little in private. The underground/ extreme metal scene has a very strange preoccupation with staying "true" and not being a "poser". It is boarderline fanatical. So when posters like this show up for a band that is so highly revered in the scene it creates problems. It creates problems for the everyone involved. See, the fans of HOF in any given town might not realize the band didn't approve this design. It could be viewed in an extremely negative way towards the band. That may seem stupid to most of you, but it is what it is. That is how it works. Evene my stuff is too designerish for alot of the metal scene.
It could very well have an adverse effect on the venues image. If this venue does a lot of metal shows it could also have an adverse effect on the scenes view of the venue.
I would venture to guess that even though many people here like HOF and metal you don't have a very good grasp of the ins and outs of the scene. That is why I allways bring this stuff up. One poster like this could cause a world of grief for a band like HOF in the scene. Like to many designers it might be cool and fun to make a poster that represents you and your stlye regardless of the bands image. I am just saying that the majority of the metal scene doesn't give a fuck. They LIKE the typical metal imagry. Even if you all think it is lame. Thye don't. They don't care about any of this stuff. I speak from experience here. You all may know a ton about the inner politics of indie music or alt music or country or whatever, but I know about this. I am not talking out my ass here.
Of course there are people in the scene who would appreciate this and other "non metal" looking posters for metal bands, but I would guess they represent about 1% of the scene. The 1% who are designers themselves.
I like this as a piece of art. I'd hang this painting in my home. I think it is a poor HOF poster. Jason and I discussed it in private and I explained all of this to him. I think we
  2004-07-19 11:52:58
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   that was metal too.   2004-07-19 11:42:00
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   ....suuuure...   2004-07-19 11:39:01
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   Sarcasm dude...sarcasm.   2004-07-19 11:36:22
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   um's not   2004-07-19 11:31:14
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   Saying something is not very metal is sooooo metal.   2004-07-19 11:28:54
er code blueSend er code blue a message :   Hmm. I like HOF and a whole helluvalot of other bands. I'd see this and say....Cool, a HOF poster that is something different.
Good stuff Jason. Poster doesn't require an explanation.
  2004-07-19 11:28:16
Smoove BSend Smoove B a message :   "I would never use kittems for HOF . ever.
they have no sense of irony..see..they are 'straight'"
Yeah, I figure YOU wouldn't do it, sorry for dropping your name, but the point is if it WAS done by someone respected and the illustration in question wasn't very not metal whatsoever, there's a good chance it might be more accepted, but apparently because this one makes one question its effectiveness, its failed. thats just my opinion
  2004-07-19 11:26:42
UnitusSend Unitus a message :   101, you slowpoke.   2004-07-19 11:24:47
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   100   2004-07-19 11:24:24
jSend j a message :   *Is "the realm of the wizards crystal" some sort of euphemism for something dirty?
No, you're thinking of the vortex of dread
  2004-07-19 11:24:07
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   i think i now believe that posters shouldn't require thought. some people like it, some don't. the world continues.   2004-07-19 11:22:18
kozikSend kozik a message :   Rischard Ramirez on black velvet would be an apt 'artsy' HOF poster.   2004-07-19 11:21:15
extrastoutSend extrastout a message :   I think that it is refreshing to see some one NOT use guns, skulls, blood splatters, angels, razor blades, nautical stars, wings and other now cliched art for metal and hardcore bands. That stuff is awesome, don't get me wrong, but it is nice to see someone use something different. Thats why I used a pic of Britney for my Nevermore flyer. I got some shit for that too. This is awesome art. Skulls are gnarly by the way.   2004-07-19 11:21:14
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Is "the realm of the wizards crystal" some sort of euphemism for something dirty?   2004-07-19 11:19:26
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   You are all geniuses.   2004-07-19 11:19:10
kozikSend kozik a message :   I would never use kittems for HOF . ever.
they have no sense of irony..see..they are 'straight'
  2004-07-19 11:18:31
jSend j a message :   I suggest a journey into the realm of the wizards crystal before starting any HOF poster.   2004-07-19 11:17:41
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   And it ain't kindergarten either.   2004-07-19 11:17:33
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Hmmm...I've completely changed my stance on this now.
More of you dumbasses should start putting way more thought into your work. Best poster ever
  2004-07-19 11:17:27
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   no wait.. maybe I'm thinkin' COF.. Comets of Fire   2004-07-19 11:16:32
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   next high on fire poster I do is gonna have a flaming 20 sided dice n' shit   2004-07-19 11:14:52
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   This aint art school.
A poster should not require an explanation.
  2004-07-19 11:13:53
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Wait... these guys are metal?   2004-07-19 11:13:18
Smoove BSend Smoove B a message :   now if Kozik did this with cartoon characters or a litter of kittens, everyone would be shitting themselves with delight because of the irony of it and its anti-metal theme. But what about when it falls in the middle, when its not as obvious? This is just trying to do something not as obviouse, as Mr. Cross expressed, cause if this was just another photoshopped image with the band members holding flaming swords, i'll bet there wouldn't be any comments on here- no one would care. I commend trying to do something different while not getting ridiculously out of the 'metal genre'.   2004-07-19 11:11:39
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   are HOF like ZAG?   2004-07-19 11:11:02
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Shu shu shu shut it.   2004-07-19 11:09:04
David GeeSend David Gee a message :   I like it. From the thumbnail, I thought it was just a scanned Leroy Neiman illo but upon inspection, it's totally unique. Nice job indeed... Better, in fact because there are no easily discernable skulls, valkyries etc...   2004-07-19 11:07:42
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Yes. I am sorry Jason Cross. It is time for you to die. You have failed not only metal fans across the world but all vikings past and present as well.   2004-07-19 11:04:15
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   So we're in agreement.
Lets hang Jason Cross.
  2004-07-19 11:01:41
connor13Send connor13 a message :   more fartsy, less artsy...   2004-07-19 10:56:01
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Aww hell, Richie. I wasn't talking to you.   2004-07-19 10:53:32
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Yawn...   2004-07-19 10:53:18
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Same to you.   2004-07-19 10:52:18
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   You should never try new things. It just won't work out.   2004-07-19 10:50:29
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   He's saving his next blue blob for the Melvins.   2004-07-19 10:49:15
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Nice painting, as a poster for this show....
By the way, I would'nt bother trying to discuss good 'design' with any of those guys. They don't give a fuck
At least it's not just a blue blob.
  2004-07-19 10:48:17
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   a HOF fan would most likely already know about the show with or without the poster.
but i get you; the typical HOF fan probably wouldn't put this up in his/her bedroom.
  2004-07-19 10:45:17
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   metal heads need more literal imagery... it's just that way.
this is a nice composition but i think most fans of high on fire would walk right by it.
  2004-07-19 10:40:26
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   It is not our duty to educate the audience as to what great design is.   2004-07-19 10:36:43
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Another 60 points!   2004-07-19 10:35:37
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Oh, you are too easy. I like High on Fire.
  2004-07-19 10:34:22
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I don't fuck up posters for your favorite bands.
  2004-07-19 10:30:07
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   OUCH! 60 Hit points!   2004-07-19 10:28:10
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   High on Fire are your typical EMO band.
OHHHHHHH that warlock is after me....I can't find my dragon...
  2004-07-19 10:25:10
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   No. They are like High on Fire.   2004-07-19 10:23:18
bathroom monkeySend bathroom monkey a message :   my wife would dig this. she likes more "arty" posters. less chicks and cars and more art, is what she says.   2004-07-19 10:18:54
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   HOF? Are these guys like Melvins? I thought they were grunge?   2004-07-19 10:13:42
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I am metal.   2004-07-19 09:57:40
modrocket10Send modrocket10 a message :   damn 60 comments already?
I was in ABQ this weekend while Jason was creating this....helped while he put the first two colors down. It's really stunning in person and I think it can 'pull' in a metal kid. He also said if this sucked it would somehow be my fault. :-?
  2004-07-19 09:53:38
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   HOF is one of my favorite bands. The only thing a HOF poster needs (for me) is their name, a venue and a date...i am there! big whoop; a poster is a poster....its the show that counts!   2004-07-19 09:41:09
UnitusSend Unitus a message :   HOF's fanbase is not limited to simple-minded metal-heads that only like skulls and swords.
but, i agree that the target audience will probably not notice/care/or comprehend this poster.
not only do i like this poster, but i think it really works for HOF, and i can tell that there was a lot of though and consideration put into it... apparently not that the band or the metal-heads would care.
  2004-07-19 09:08:05
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   I do like this poster, I just wish the sky were blood red or something more ominous and looming.   2004-07-19 09:02:40
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   "metal is the antithesis of art" -Jamie Ward
that's awesome.
  2004-07-19 09:01:40
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   when i say art, i mean "art".   2004-07-19 09:01:02
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   "So howcome metal style can work for artsy bands, but an artsy style can not work for metal bands?"
because metal is the antithesis of art.
  2004-07-19 09:00:10
EdGossageSend EdGossage a message :   I like this poster, and i was there for the thought process, and saw it being built.
I like the concept for this poster, ill agree its a little subtle and sort of artsy. I dont like high on fire, so i cant argue it from a fans stand point, but i think that this is unique enough to stand out brillantly against the rest of the shit that albuquerque is putting out there right now.
I would also like to bring up this poster: its a poster that Darren Grealish did for Modest Mouse, which i think would be more of an arty band, and he handled it in what i would concider a metal or at least more hardcore fashion. A lot of people commented positivly about that poster, and noted that it had NOTHING to do with modest mouse. Even artsy designers liked it.
So howcome metal style can work for artsy bands, but an artsy style can not work for metal bands?
  2004-07-19 08:46:52
PediniSend Pedini a message :   Hmmm... I'm not sure whether this "speaks to the prototypical HOF fan", but it does come across to me as destructive, chaotic, deadly. Could one not use the same words describing their music? I saw the ship right away, the rough seas, the column of fire and the swarm of ashes. Its a beautiful image. Epic. Again, I could say the same about HOF's music. I think challenging fans' visual recognition is good if done well. I think this is done very well.
Jason if you do an art print of this let me know! I want one.
  2004-07-19 08:34:18
RadarSend Radar a message :   i need this, this is the hottness, cross rocks my face off   2004-07-19 08:13:04
Aaron J ScottSend Aaron J Scott a message :   Wowzers! This is a beautiful design.
As far as it fitting with the band goes, my thinking that there, I think we can all agree, certain aesthetics for every type of music, be it hardcore punk, metal, metal core, etc. And you can use those aesthetics in designs all you want, but you know what you get? Something that blends in with every other black and red poster with blackletter type. This, this is unique, this slaps you in the face and brings you in that much closer than another print with a Jolly Roger would.
Nice Job, Jason. Being the type snob that I am, I would recommend loosening up the tracking on all caps stuff. Just a bit, in the future, no big deal.
  2004-07-19 08:08:24
killingcupidSend killingcupid a message :   Perhaps it doesn't fit the band that good, but I sure as hell like the design itself. Seems like you put a lot of thought and effort into it Jason. I'd love to see this in person as well.   2004-07-19 05:56:14
GrzecaSend Grzeca a message :   Id love to see this poster in person, it seems pretty intense from the pic. Striking, in the words of Bill Murray.   2004-07-19 04:54:13
henri-pierreSend henri-pierre a message :   if you can only draw skulls bones and swords then you can't like this poster.
i love it. really really nice job jason. keep on doing such good stuff.
  2004-07-19 02:36:50
largemammalSend largemammal a message :   I FUCKNG LOVE HIGH ON FIRE. but this one misses it. good idea, handled differently it would rule. like, at night(on black paper) with your cloudy skull things in ghostly white and a fucked up moon. and more fire.
I need to feel doomed.
  2004-07-19 02:29:17
Evil Alice CorpSend Evil Alice Corp a message :   maybe he was simply trying to capture the 'essence' and not the 'look' or 'style'. i dunnot anything about HOF (except taht they're metal). so... yea. bye.   2004-07-19 02:09:53
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   You failed to reach the prototypical High on Fire fan...
Namely me.
  2004-07-19 01:14:54
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I call bullshit. I'm not even gonna bother reading comments.
The only thing this might have to do wit HOF is that it says HOF.
  2004-07-19 01:08:51
ShadSend Shad a message :   Hugging heavy metal guys doesn't sound like it fits the band.   2004-07-19 01:08:24
Stainboy ReinelSend Stainboy Reinel a message :   If I were to glance at this on the street it would immediatly say 'emo' or 'art' band to me.
Nothing personal at all. It's a good job. But the information that it would impart would not draw me in as a fan of Metal or 'hard' music.
Oh, and I'm not as thick as my own posters make me seem.
  2004-07-19 01:08:22
kozikSend kozik a message :   fags.
  2004-07-19 01:07:38
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Well give Geo a hug for me and bring your ear plugs.   2004-07-19 01:07:02
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   well...i will do my best to sit down with george and actually discuss this and mention you...i really would like to know what they think about it...if its too designed or if it actually strikes a cord.
if anything it caused a debate on the idea of what is good? and i find it to be really relative and not always an easy thing to pinpoint.
  2004-07-19 01:05:22
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I am not assuming anything. I know you well enough to know that you come from a genuine place.   2004-07-19 01:03:14
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   mike, i think your assuming alot about me and my taste.
sorry you dont like this...thats fine...i will show the band...if they hate it...fine...i can handle that.
but to say i didnt consider them or their sound is way off...i did...and their being one of them.
  2004-07-19 01:00:08
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Jason, don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything close to what you just said.
You come from a different place than I dea creativly with your work. I think it works amazingly well for some bands. I don't think it works for this. Jus stating my opinion.
Like it would lame if I did one of my "style" posters for Spoon or Modest Mouse. It just wouldn't work. The people into those bands would never be able to get thier heads around what the fuck I was trying to do. NOT other designers, but the FANS of those bands.
  2004-07-19 00:58:10
kozikSend kozik a message :   you'll never get it.   2004-07-19 00:57:09
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   thats still a design man.   2004-07-19 00:56:30
kozikSend kozik a message :   nope...their inpout was 'rad dudes with eagle..."   2004-07-19 00:55:51
nemotronSend nemotron a message :   dudes... this is awesome. enough.   2004-07-19 00:54:55
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   so all of their albums have none?   2004-07-19 00:54:54
kozikSend kozik a message :   HOF is inherently 'anti design'.
  2004-07-19 00:54:03
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   see detail shad.
sorry i couldnt post an 18 x 24 image for yah.
  2004-07-19 00:53:29
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   maybe i should just burn them all
then i would be a man.
  2004-07-19 00:52:52
ShadSend Shad a message :   I don't see skulls or the ship. I thought it was beautiful tree in autumn in feudal Japan.   2004-07-19 00:52:50
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   tell that to a nuclear warhead
precission is relative.
i would think anyband would enjoy anyone buying a tiocket and coming...maybe not though...maybe a band would rather no one show up if they were not to fit into a very specific image.
only mike fisher look alikes should go?
  2004-07-19 00:52:07
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I think that rather than worry about not taking the easy solution a designer should worry more about wether it is the correct solution.
I swear if those guys were to read this thread about design solutions regarding thier posters they would kick all of our asses for being pussys.
  2004-07-19 00:51:51
kozikSend kozik a message :   this looks like a late 50's early 60's magazine illo for like something intellectual.
  2004-07-19 00:49:52
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   see. black plague...old dark europe...taht was my attempt...i guess i will just have to see if in person when one see it if they get that.   2004-07-19 00:48:52
kozikSend kozik a message :   a target, by defintiion, is small and precise.   2004-07-19 00:48:26
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   i am fucking with you...i am just as much a target mike. i listened to Sleep and have been into metal for a very long time...just not does not have to mean narrow.   2004-07-19 00:47:49
kozikSend kozik a message :   I released their first full-length.
they are into Knights, demons, wizards, evil bongs.....
like....biker trash graphics man.
woodcuts. the black plague.....
  2004-07-19 00:47:47
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I am SO the taget audience. To think different is kidding yourself.
  2004-07-19 00:46:34
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   ok, i got the demon ship part...fuck...intergalatic was the missing piece ;)   2004-07-19 00:42:19
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   your over 30...your not the target just were talking about kids...the neighbor who is 15 and into metal liked it.   2004-07-19 00:41:54
kozikSend kozik a message :   INTERGALACTIC DEMON SHIPS.   2004-07-19 00:41:08
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   "ship, fire, skulls, vikings...dude. " None of that was apperent to me. I am the target audience.   2004-07-19 00:39:40
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   will do mike...i also am interested in their opinions.
  2004-07-19 00:39:20
nemotronSend nemotron a message :   :o :clap:   2004-07-19 00:38:50
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   ship, fire, skulls, vikings...dude.   2004-07-19 00:36:50
ShadSend Shad a message :   This looks to me like an ad for a drug rehab retreat center. Which is likely totally appropriate for the band.
  2004-07-19 00:36:46
kozikSend kozik a message :   High On Fire needs fucking wizards and witches and intergalactic demon ships man.   2004-07-19 00:35:02
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Well, from my perspective it is more about THE BAND and less about what I feel the easy way out is. Like, I want the band to have people who like them show up at the gig. Like, the people who are into metal should see the poster and conect with something. Like maybe some 14 metal kid has never heard of HOF. He sees this in the record store and what? How does this conect with that kid. What lines are drawn between that kids life and you trying to speak to him? Who cares about the obvious solution other than designers and poster geeks? Nobody. Not one single metal fan I have ever met in my life has discussed design solutions with me other than other poster designers who happen to like metal. It doesn't happen.
This looks like a designer speaking to other designers. Not a designer speaking to metal listeners.
I fell like a fucking broken record on this issue.
Please, go to the show and give some of these to the band. Drop my name to George. Then sit him down and ask him what he thinks of it. Ask him if he feels it represents his band. Does it speak to him or the people he makes and plays music for. I would love to know. I'd be willing to bet I could answer for him.
This isn't anything personal, Jason. This is a very common concern I have with what we do. I see it mainly with posters for metal and hardcore bands. Maybe because that is what I am into.
  2004-07-19 00:33:29
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   its tough...i just dont like taking the easy way out...especially with genres with such a strong stereotype of style.
the slayer and this are me trying to interpret their sound without playing into the obvious solutions.
i listened to the art of self defense while designing it and researching a solution...this came to me after much deliberation.
  2004-07-19 00:23:46
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Yeah, those dudes are not going to see a Viking funeral. You never know though, they might.
I wouldn't stop and look at this long enough to relise it was for HOF if I saw it on the street. As cool as the actual design is... it isnt really telling me that it advertises a show for the most intense live metal band you are ever likely to see.
Thats just me though.
Your Slayer poster seemed far more appropriate somehow. I think it was a little more literal.
  2004-07-19 00:20:13
sanmiguelSend sanmiguel a message :   cheers :D   2004-07-19 00:20:09
Evil Alice CorpSend Evil Alice Corp a message :   i dunno anything about the bands...or what that image is..
but this illustration is eye catching :)
  2004-07-19 00:19:11
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   sure...ill get a bigger version and post it   2004-07-19 00:19:09
sanmiguelSend sanmiguel a message :   cool, i love it, would it be possible to see a bigger scan on the forum?   2004-07-19 00:18:23
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   its a viking funeral...there are skull faces all up in the smoke. I painted the whole damn thing and printed it myself.
4 color 18 x 24
i gave slayer blank stares too.
  2004-07-19 00:14:13
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I would love to know what the HOF guys think of this. I can see thier faces now. Blank....stares.   2004-07-19 00:11:07
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