Actually, keeping some of the criticism from around here in mind has made my shit a lot better, f'real. The point is to shelve that in the back of your mind when you're actually doing something. Don't let it be an overbearing factor in what you're doing.
Rockologist said "sometimes i wonder if all the critique makes any difference. sometimes it seems like they get over analyzed."
If when doing a layout or printing a poster, any poster maker on here is thinking about what people on gp are going to comment about that poster then they probably shouldn't be doing it.
If we listened to comments here and tried to adjust our posters to meet what people seem to want then all our posters would be scratchy drawings, and then they would all start to look alike. This style is not suitable for most of the bands we work with.
Comments and criticism are important but shouldn't dictate your work. Do what you want and fuck what pleases.
and...Old English rules!!!!
MAX FLO in '08
the whole thing is that it's cool when an artist considers the whole poster. text and all.
not just "spend a lot of time on the drawing, and slap type on at the end".... it's erasing the gap, that everyone thinks is so prominent (illustrators vs designers).
this poster series rules, and mr. leamon's posters in general rule...HARD.
i also must say i like the primary color change between the three. it looks good though i didnt get it til i saw all three together.
i suppose they would look cool all dispayed one above another in order.
but its not really a triptych then is it?
its just a series that kicks ass.
when i saw the first of the three - i must admit - the type bothered me. it just didnt sit well. it was all on top and drove me nuts because it was covering up parts of the illo i wanted to see.
the illo is fucking amazing. the type and the type layout may work really really well to show you what band it is for and venue and all that - but it doesnt work TOGETHER. a succesful poster certainly, but i really would have been knocked on my ass and selling sperm to buy all three if the type was integrated into the design no matter how less obvious it was or even hard to read - you would be forced to look for it since the illo is so good - then it would be this great clever suprise when you saw the info. which i think is cool. it would stick in your brain for ever that way.
another thing is that all three have the exact same layout i think. for it to be a triptych (sic?) i thought each would have a different layout that balanced all three side by side.
BUT whatever. its just an opinion - thats what we are here for right?
id LOVE to have this many helpful opinions on a poster of mine.
Again, I don't think this poster sucks. It's a nice poster (and a great illustration).
I was just saying how I thought if the type was more a part of the whole, it would work even better.
As far as "I am simply of the opinion that the poster should be an AD for the show first and be a showcase for your art/design further down on the priority list."
You know I agree with you on this. But why not make it the best AD it can be? (and yes, I know that is subjective and not worth discussing.)
If you do it right a poster can be both a great AD as well as a great piece of "art." (and I use the term "art" lightly as I don't believe these to be "art" as much as advertising).
Wow! You people are almost fuckin' nuts! I look at all three of these next to each other and it makes a great collective piece. I have absolutely no problem with this text.
Way to go Dave! I love making up my own story about this... the Monster is despondent because he used violence against these creatures thereby lowering himself to an animalistic level which is something he fears... supressing the very little humanity he has left.
max, i do agree that the prmary purpose of a poster is to act as an ad, subsequently, an illegable poster is probably unsuccessful, But you can still make it legible without just droping text on top of an image. And you might say, droping text on an image isn't always bad, either, and you would be right, but : "Why would you try to do more? Maybe you should make fine art if that is the case." that is silly
"We should all just quit. Or wait. One of us should make a template that says "POSTER FOR A ROCK SHOW" at the top. And leave an area where you can list the bands as well as the venue and date info."
Now, come on, that is not what I mean and you know it. I am simply of the opinion that the poster should be an AD for the show first and be a showcase for your art/design further down on the priority list.
I just can't help be think how much tighter this poster would've been if the bottom right text was fitted into a larger tombstone and the branches overlapped the "Electric Frankenstein". Then again, I'm not the artist, nor the target audience.
My two cents, with each of these posters the type is arranged exactly the same way, same font face, same everything, the only thing that's different here is the Illustration. The type well....The font face isn't horrible, a little played yes, but suitable for these drawings and without hearing the bands I assume this music type...maybe a little bit more of an arrangement though...rather than the cookie cutter approach, but what the fuck do I know? I dropped out of art school.
So what the hell?
We should all just quit. Or wait. One of us should make a template that says "POSTER FOR A ROCK SHOW" at the top. And leave an area where you can list the bands as well as the venue and date info.
In my eyes there is no way for this to be better.
Michael, the day we agree will be a sad day. That fact we are so differnet in our styles and process is just about the best thing I can think of in regards to this scene. We need all kinds.
It is indeed subjective.
But is always seems to boil down to "Can you read it? Do you know it's for a rock show? If so, I guess this poster works.
I'm pretty sure most of us are trying to do more than that.
The illo is incredible! I'm not hating Old English at all, or the double outline. It's the text LAYOUT that bugs me. It simple looks like the text was just layed on top of the illo. If the text is not incorporated into the illo, I'd rather see it on one line underneath it.
And, yes, I hate to over-analyze this kickass poster but if it came down to it, would you as a viewer like this poster more or less without the text?
i do agree that a grave stone, etc. might effect legibility, in that the illo is a bit busy (not entirely in a bad way... great drawing) so type could easily create more clutter. I understand the type face choice, but the old english type is a busy choice.
wouldn't you guys think that since he's such a kickass illustrator, maybe he could just draw some kickass type and therefore have total control over the piece? it would look rad.... and just plain work conceptually. like a 'comicbook' would...
okay, since I opened the critique can'o'worms... here's my response, but in the spirit of information, and not argument.
I wasn't really going for a comic-book effect here - more in the tradition of etchings by guys like albrecht Durer, Albinus, et al. I considered the type on the graves, but that just wasn't the effect I was going for. Also, I was going for maximum legibility versus the perhaps-too-complex linework. Maybe I could have used a less-cheesy method than outlines or strokes, but that just seemed to be the easiest way to pop it out from the bkgd. The type definitely wasn't an afterthought, but you guys are a tough crowd. That's good.
Lastly, in terms of color choices, remember - jpeg compression doesn't always preserve color integrity. These things printed in a really cool ultramarine. I always try to keep in mind when viewing people's stuff that, unfortunately, the color choices they chose aren't neccessarily what I see on my monitor.
thanx for the comments
I think the real problem with the type on this is the double outline, as an attempt to enhance legibility it goes too far and separates the type from the image. Despite the overused font, if the type was just knocked out of the image and there was a variation of size between the headline band and support, even with those simple changes it would work far better than it does now.
Outlines on type - :clown:
If the type was incorporated into the design, and done right, it would still be easy to locate and read the information.
I'm not talking about any crazy type treatment of any kind. I'm just saying that I always like it when the artist takes the type into consideration when they're designing the poster.
I like the fact that you can clearly read that this is a poster for an Electric Frankenstein show. I don't have to search for any infomation. Sometimes simpl plain text is the way to go. Not every poster has to have some crazy text treatment. In fact I think having a noisy typeface or text in the tombstones would ruin these posters. There is nothing weak or lacking in these at all.
Think about the band and think about the majority of the stuff done for them. This is 100% perfect. I'd say these are easily the best 3 EF posters I have seen yet.
My opinion of course.
this is a great series. i love the drawings and the narrative aspect
considering type in the design is not something everyone cares about. (and the public probably doesn't even notice).
it would have been clever to put the info on the headstones, etc.. but no big whoop.
since it look very comic book it would have been cool to draw the text in boxes in really basic hand printing
the main prob with the text as is IMO is the white outline on the type surrounded by the black out line
just using the old english in black, maybe a bit roughed up with the copier would make it look more organic
great drawing skills though
Well, I can see where he's coming from. The type definitely looks like an after thought. It looks like he did the illustration and then begrudgingly had to put type over the top of it.
It's a nice illustration, but the overall design could use some help.
And, of course, this is only my opinion.
hmmm.... I chose this font because of the relatively "gothic" feel of this set of 3 posters ( this is the 3rd). I know the whole Old English font family is kinda tired and best suited for stomach tattoos, but I stuck with a type treatment I felt was suitable and had somewhat of a contrast with the complexity of the illo.
I appreciate the critique, and I'm not being facetious - what would you guys have done, typewise?