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DESIGNER:
Dave Leamon  
VENUE:
The Echo
Los Angeles
CA
USA
 
SUBMITTED BY:
Dave Leamon  
2004-05-02 15:20:05
 
BANDS:
Electric Frankenstein
El Nada



Electric Frankenstein Poster - The Echo, Los Angeles - Dave Leamon



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ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   I still understand things   2005-07-15 02:09:32
ryanaugustSend ryanaugust a message :   Posters are lame, but this one is pretty cool.   2005-07-15 01:36:43
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Reading this thread again makes me want to kill so many people. So very many people.   2005-07-15 01:29:32
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Actually, keeping some of the criticism from around here in mind has made my shit a lot better, f'real. The point is to shelve that in the back of your mind when you're actually doing something. Don't let it be an overbearing factor in what you're doing.   2004-11-22 22:17:56
printmafia-connieSend printmafia-connie a message :   Rockologist said "sometimes i wonder if all the critique makes any difference. sometimes it seems like they get over analyzed."
If when doing a layout or printing a poster, any poster maker on here is thinking about what people on gp are going to comment about that poster then they probably shouldn't be doing it.
If we listened to comments here and tried to adjust our posters to meet what people seem to want then all our posters would be scratchy drawings, and then they would all start to look alike. This style is not suitable for most of the bands we work with.
Comments and criticism are important but shouldn't dictate your work. Do what you want and fuck what pleases.
and...Old English rules!!!! MAX FLO in '08
  2004-11-22 21:09:27
SalcanzonieriSend Salcanzonieri a message :   It's efficient and effective.   2004-11-22 20:19:14
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   I understand the frustration and sadness that consumes the zombie sitting on the coffin.   2004-11-22 19:18:54
UnitusSend Unitus a message :   i understand richie.   2004-11-22 19:16:14
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   It's a different aesthetic.   2004-11-22 19:14:06
UnitusSend Unitus a message :   the whole thing is that it's cool when an artist considers the whole poster. text and all.
not just "spend a lot of time on the drawing, and slap type on at the end".... it's erasing the gap, that everyone thinks is so prominent (illustrators vs designers).
this poster series rules, and mr. leamon's posters in general rule...HARD.
  2004-11-22 19:11:36
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I understand Mike.   2004-11-22 19:09:17
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   he's definitely more crotchy   2004-11-22 18:56:03
seripopSend seripop a message :   fisher has become more crochety than chantry   2004-11-22 18:49:46
SashSend Sash a message :   Grave Train brand dog food, anyone?   2004-11-22 18:48:01
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   i stand by my words.
and yes - i am an idiot.
  2004-11-22 18:42:42
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I just went back and re-read all of the comments on this and it made me mad all over again. You dorks understand nothing.
Fucking idiots. All of you.
  2004-11-22 18:37:44
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   "You know what comments I rarely see around here? Hey the type is GREAT, but that illo sucks."
true. very fucking true my fellow hippie.
:D :happy:
  2004-05-04 07:21:19
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   those dogs are dead !   2004-05-04 01:20:38
EwingSend Ewing a message :   Have you ever seen any of Dave's originals?
They are seeeick.
  2004-05-03 20:14:25
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Leamon fuckin' rules.   2004-05-03 19:42:47
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   what's really cool is how that dude said "HOOF" to those dogs and wild animals! why is he so sad?   2004-05-03 19:41:51
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Bah!!   2004-05-03 18:30:23
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   "f" as in "watermelon".
i have a wheelbarrow.
  2004-05-03 18:28:13
Michael M. MotorcycleSend Michael M. Motorcycle a message :   Who did what now?   2004-05-03 18:12:59
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   i also must say i like the primary color change between the three. it looks good though i didnt get it til i saw all three together.
i suppose they would look cool all dispayed one above another in order.
but its not really a triptych then is it?
its just a series that kicks ass.
  2004-05-03 18:11:41
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   when i saw the first of the three - i must admit - the type bothered me. it just didnt sit well. it was all on top and drove me nuts because it was covering up parts of the illo i wanted to see.
the illo is fucking amazing. the type and the type layout may work really really well to show you what band it is for and venue and all that - but it doesnt work TOGETHER. a succesful poster certainly, but i really would have been knocked on my ass and selling sperm to buy all three if the type was integrated into the design no matter how less obvious it was or even hard to read - you would be forced to look for it since the illo is so good - then it would be this great clever suprise when you saw the info. which i think is cool. it would stick in your brain for ever that way.
another thing is that all three have the exact same layout i think. for it to be a triptych (sic?) i thought each would have a different layout that balanced all three side by side.
BUT whatever. its just an opinion - thats what we are here for right?
id LOVE to have this many helpful opinions on a poster of mine.
-mt
  2004-05-03 18:08:17
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Again, I don't think this poster sucks. It's a nice poster (and a great illustration).
I was just saying how I thought if the type was more a part of the whole, it would work even better.
As far as "I am simply of the opinion that the poster should be an AD for the show first and be a showcase for your art/design further down on the priority list."
You know I agree with you on this. But why not make it the best AD it can be? (and yes, I know that is subjective and not worth discussing.)
If you do it right a poster can be both a great AD as well as a great piece of "art." (and I use the term "art" lightly as I don't believe these to be "art" as much as advertising).
  2004-05-03 17:57:27
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Well I guess I am proven wrong then. This poster sucks. Straight to hell with you Mr. Leamon!!   2004-05-03 17:48:51
jroeSend jroe a message :   max:
http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=28886
i like the type better than the illo here
  2004-05-03 17:39:48
Brute666Send Brute666 a message :   Wow! You people are almost fuckin' nuts! I look at all three of these next to each other and it makes a great collective piece. I have absolutely no problem with this text.
Way to go Dave! I love making up my own story about this... the Monster is despondent because he used violence against these creatures thereby lowering himself to an animalistic level which is something he fears... supressing the very little humanity he has left.
  2004-05-03 17:36:31
John ASend John A a message :   MF said: "You know what comments I rarely see around here? Hey the type is GREAT, but that illo sucks"
:mrgreen:
  2004-05-03 17:26:59
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   You know what comments I rarely see around here? Hey the type is GREAT, but that illo sucks.
  2004-05-03 17:21:51
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Silly people.   2004-05-03 17:06:15
jroeSend jroe a message :   max, i do agree that the prmary purpose of a poster is to act as an ad, subsequently, an illegable poster is probably unsuccessful, But you can still make it legible without just droping text on top of an image. And you might say, droping text on an image isn't always bad, either, and you would be right, but : "Why would you try to do more? Maybe you should make fine art if that is the case." that is silly   2004-05-03 17:05:38
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Yes, what I was saying is all posters should suck and look the same.   2004-05-03 16:59:49
jroeSend jroe a message :   that doesn't mean that the extra creativity and drive to make something unique and tastey isn't appropriate.   2004-05-03 16:58:24
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   "We should all just quit. Or wait. One of us should make a template that says "POSTER FOR A ROCK SHOW" at the top. And leave an area where you can list the bands as well as the venue and date info."
Now, come on, that is not what I mean and you know it. I am simply of the opinion that the poster should be an AD for the show first and be a showcase for your art/design further down on the priority list.
  2004-05-03 16:42:39
bdixSend bdix a message :   I just can't help be think how much tighter this poster would've been if the bottom right text was fitted into a larger tombstone and the branches overlapped the "Electric Frankenstein". Then again, I'm not the artist, nor the target audience.   2004-05-03 16:37:48
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   My two cents, with each of these posters the type is arranged exactly the same way, same font face, same everything, the only thing that's different here is the Illustration. The type well....The font face isn't horrible, a little played yes, but suitable for these drawings and without hearing the bands I assume this music type...maybe a little bit more of an arrangement though...rather than the cookie cutter approach, but what the fuck do I know? I dropped out of art school.   2004-05-03 16:37:36
jroeSend jroe a message :   disagreement doesn't mean "let's stop" , it is what makes this stimulating   2004-05-03 16:34:25
seripopSend seripop a message :   in a nice clear easy to read type (fans of "rock music" ain't too bright and need it as simple as possible)
j/k :lol:
  2004-05-03 16:33:05
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   So what the hell?
We should all just quit. Or wait. One of us should make a template that says "POSTER FOR A ROCK SHOW" at the top. And leave an area where you can list the bands as well as the venue and date info.
  2004-05-03 16:30:30
jroeSend jroe a message :   max, you're right, you don't have to agree with critiques. it is a push and pull...   2004-05-03 16:28:42
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   "That fact we are so differnet in our styles and process is just about the best thing I can think of in regards to this scene. We need all kinds."
Agreed!
  2004-05-03 16:28:39
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Why would you try to do more? Maybe you should make fine art if that is the case.   2004-05-03 16:28:10
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   In my eyes there is no way for this to be better.
Michael, the day we agree will be a sad day. That fact we are so differnet in our styles and process is just about the best thing I can think of in regards to this scene. We need all kinds.
  2004-05-03 16:27:11
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   It is indeed subjective.
But is always seems to boil down to "Can you read it? Do you know it's for a rock show? If so, I guess this poster works.
I'm pretty sure most of us are trying to do more than that.
  2004-05-03 16:26:38
needlesSend needles a message :   it's all so subjective. i'd be happy if this was a poster of mine. what makes something better? in who's eyes? for what purpose?   2004-05-03 16:24:48
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Of course it is. And it wouldn't be right if you and I didn't disagree.
That's what makes this shit work.
It's a good thing.
  2004-05-03 16:24:00
bdixSend bdix a message :   The illo is incredible! I'm not hating Old English at all, or the double outline. It's the text LAYOUT that bugs me. It simple looks like the text was just layed on top of the illo. If the text is not incorporated into the illo, I'd rather see it on one line underneath it.
And, yes, I hate to over-analyze this kickass poster but if it came down to it, would you as a viewer like this poster more or less without the text?
  2004-05-03 16:23:39
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Constructive criticism is fine. So is disagreeing with your constructive criticism, no?   2004-05-03 16:22:18
jroeSend jroe a message :   i do agree that a grave stone, etc. might effect legibility, in that the illo is a bit busy (not entirely in a bad way... great drawing) so type could easily create more clutter. I understand the type face choice, but the old english type is a busy choice.   2004-05-03 16:17:29
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   i didn't mean to cancel the discussion. it was more of a general comment.   2004-05-03 16:17:08
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   my comment is now void....i rest   2004-05-03 16:13:10
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   wouldn't you guys think that since he's such a kickass illustrator, maybe he could just draw some kickass type and therefore have total control over the piece? it would look rad.... and just plain work conceptually. like a 'comicbook' would...   2004-05-03 16:12:30
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   sometimes i wonder if all the critique makes any difference. sometimes it seems like they get over analyzed.   2004-05-03 16:12:30
jroeSend jroe a message :   Appa, i agree, isn't that why we use these message boards.   2004-05-03 16:12:26
King LeamonSend King Leamon a message :   okay, since I opened the critique can'o'worms... here's my response, but in the spirit of information, and not argument.
I wasn't really going for a comic-book effect here - more in the tradition of etchings by guys like albrecht Durer, Albinus, et al. I considered the type on the graves, but that just wasn't the effect I was going for. Also, I was going for maximum legibility versus the perhaps-too-complex linework. Maybe I could have used a less-cheesy method than outlines or strokes, but that just seemed to be the easiest way to pop it out from the bkgd. The type definitely wasn't an afterthought, but you guys are a tough crowd. That's good.
Lastly, in terms of color choices, remember - jpeg compression doesn't always preserve color integrity. These things printed in a really cool ultramarine. I always try to keep in mind when viewing people's stuff that, unfortunately, the color choices they chose aren't neccessarily what I see on my monitor.
thanx for the comments
  2004-05-03 16:12:04
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   "Somtimes you people overthink everything."
I know. I forget people do not want constructive criticism on this site.
  2004-05-03 16:05:06
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   Typography is of utmost importance.   2004-05-03 15:59:56
altieriSend altieri a message :   Actually the type doesn't bug me at all, it's the illustration.
IT'S TOO DAMN GOOD!!
Although I would of used a different blue. (just kidding)
:P
  2004-05-03 15:57:48
John ASend John A a message :   These things rule, you people are nuts. The real question here is when is Frakendude going to eat all them fine vittles? He deserves a hearty meal after this fight to the death.   2004-05-03 15:57:18
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   ... while others overdo everything.   2004-05-03 15:55:47
JephSend Jeph a message :   Nice illo, I can read it.
SUCCESS Cool poster.
  2004-05-03 15:54:32
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   damn right, fisher, i was about to type a similar thing.   2004-05-03 15:53:10
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Somtimes you people overthink everything.   2004-05-03 15:52:17
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   I think the real problem with the type on this is the double outline, as an attempt to enhance legibility it goes too far and separates the type from the image. Despite the overused font, if the type was just knocked out of the image and there was a variation of size between the headline band and support, even with those simple changes it would work far better than it does now.
Outlines on type - :clown:
  2004-05-03 15:50:00
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   If the type was incorporated into the design, and done right, it would still be easy to locate and read the information.
I'm not talking about any crazy type treatment of any kind. I'm just saying that I always like it when the artist takes the type into consideration when they're designing the poster.
  2004-05-03 15:15:00
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   mad illo skills. mad.
but that pantone choic was dumb. :o
  2004-05-03 14:56:16
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I like the fact that you can clearly read that this is a poster for an Electric Frankenstein show. I don't have to search for any infomation. Sometimes simpl plain text is the way to go. Not every poster has to have some crazy text treatment. In fact I think having a noisy typeface or text in the tombstones would ruin these posters. There is nothing weak or lacking in these at all.
Think about the band and think about the majority of the stuff done for them. This is 100% perfect. I'd say these are easily the best 3 EF posters I have seen yet. My opinion of course.
  2004-05-03 14:56:00
UnitusSend Unitus a message :   this is a great series. i love the drawings and the narrative aspect
considering type in the design is not something everyone cares about. (and the public probably doesn't even notice).
it would have been clever to put the info on the headstones, etc.. but no big whoop.
  2004-05-03 14:49:42
jroeSend jroe a message :   yeah, write the text on a grave stone or make the words resemble clouds around the moon... you get the idea   2004-05-03 14:49:40
seripopSend seripop a message :   since it look very comic book it would have been cool to draw the text in boxes in really basic hand printing
the main prob with the text as is IMO is the white outline on the type surrounded by the black out line just using the old english in black, maybe a bit roughed up with the copier would make it look more organic great drawing skills though
  2004-05-03 14:49:34
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Well, I can see where he's coming from. The type definitely looks like an after thought. It looks like he did the illustration and then begrudgingly had to put type over the top of it.
It's a nice illustration, but the overall design could use some help.
And, of course, this is only my opinion.
  2004-05-03 14:44:24
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I think that is a load of crap.
  2004-05-03 14:41:47
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   I'm guessing he's saying it'd be better if the type was more incorporated into the image...not a separate element.   2004-05-03 14:40:26
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Draw the type into the image?   2004-05-03 14:37:12
jroeSend jroe a message :   draw the type into the image   2004-05-03 14:11:42
REPLIKASend REPLIKA a message :   I think the type is fine. Great work! Some of you are hard to please! :o 8)   2004-05-03 12:14:49
szacSend szac a message :   hell yeah! nice dirt pile.   2004-05-03 11:42:18
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   What is wrong with the type? I think it is perfect on this poster.   2004-05-03 11:30:18
King LeamonSend King Leamon a message :   hmmm.... I chose this font because of the relatively "gothic" feel of this set of 3 posters ( this is the 3rd). I know the whole Old English font family is kinda tired and best suited for stomach tattoos, but I stuck with a type treatment I felt was suitable and had somewhat of a contrast with the complexity of the illo.
I appreciate the critique, and I'm not being facetious - what would you guys have done, typewise?
  2004-05-03 11:28:34
krullbeastSend krullbeast a message :   so good of a drawing why waste it with that type?   2004-05-03 08:50:04
John ASend John A a message :   Why is he so stressed? His work is done and it's time to chow. Plenty of wood around there to get a good fire going... times a wasting.. chop chop .   2004-05-03 07:48:35
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   yeah, that seems to be consistent with these posters...great Illos, horrible type.
I really really like the drawings though.
  2004-05-03 07:46:05
ferg2001Send ferg2001 a message :   the drawing super good .the type treatment super bad.   2004-05-03 07:38:46
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Again, amazing.   2004-05-03 00:20:30
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