poor poor brandon. since this was 8 years ago that i made this poster i have made a new account considering i don't remember my old password. i would still like to thank everyone for their criticism and props on this utterly disgusting poster i created. i still think i have some of these or i sent them all to 8ball, seripop if your still interested in buying the rest let me know. i kid i kid, i had nothing on seripop and still don't they fucking rule at making posters and vie even got some myself. anyway i still suck but not as bad. also this poster has the most comments out of any poster vie seen on this site, its the ugly that makes you talk.
And take every criticism with a major-ass grain of salt. Remember it's just that person's view and a product of who they are and what they want.
Incredible as it may sound, rules are for those who make them or follow them... that's all.
For a first attempt by an 16 year old I'd say you done good. Every poster is a learning experience and you just had a little trial by fire and I think you done good. There is no guide book on how to do these things but this site (and API) are great resources. Do another poster and do it soon and take to heart some of the criticisms here and you got a bright future!
OH and even if someone HAD it's the band's official logo
OF COURSE people are gonna put it on posters ect
if yr doing a poster for black flag you don't need pettibone's permission to use the black bars.
ok so yeha here is the proof that no one designed the locust logo. after i asked him about it this morning
From: "the locust"
Subject: RE: justin
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 10:13:45 -0800
i have no idea what you are talking about. the locust bug logo is from a text book. jp
yeah about the locust logo who cares as far as i know it was taken out of a wild life book or an insect book. im not getting all angry or anythig nthe reason my post was so long is because i didnt know people could comment them and i didnt want people to think i was hidding or too affraid to comment. and i planned this poster liek a month and a half before the shows date. in a class room with stupid kids and a sub for a teacher who knows nothing and this is your first year of printing and graphics i think i did pretty good. my screen was stolen more then once. i had to hand draw all the stuff on the flyer because originaly i was gonna do one of those lame ones with just band logos. so yeha what ever i don't care. i jsut thought it would be fu nto make a poster and its probley the only one im gonna make cause its too hard to do it at school. and i dont know how to make posters like Darren Grealish his poster ruled except i dont know how to do that kind with out using money. well what ever so yeah thats about all i have to say. except i didnt put battalion of saints on here becasue i dotn liek them i didnt do it cause there was no space. and yes battalion of the saints could have got posters i didnt run around handing them out i had the guy mike who runs king of the monsters and does the locust merch table to sell them for me and as far as i know he got a poster. i liked casual dots a whole lot but i didnt have room to put them either so yeah.
Brandon-- take these comments with a grain of salt. DON'T let it get to you by any means! You've obviously done something right to stir up so much controversy. Gig poster-ers just enjoy fighting with one another through type. When you meet them in person they are all very gentle, sweet folks.
Please keep designing! For a first poster I think this is fucking rad-- a thousand times better than my first.
you can explain yourself til your blue in the face or your nuts drop, either one.
point is, and forgive me 8ball, plan ahead, use some ethics.
your promoting a show. thats why bands are cool with it.
you can't promote a show 3 days before hand.
and you cant pick and choose who gets on the poster.
just because you don't like battalion of saints doesnt mean they shouldnt be on the poster.
they have worked harder than you to get where they are, so your in no position to deny them anything.
a step forward is still a step forward. you printed your first poster, thats cool.
bands dug them, thats cool.
did you give some to battalion of saints?
did you send some to the heads of state whose locust logo you bit?
you probably didnt know they did that, so maybe that can slide. you'll have to talk to dusty or jason about that.
frankly i agree with kozik, but i try not to harsh to many mellows.
but you should maybe try not to be such a douchbag about comments.
you yourself said your 16. you can learn alot from the old folks who decided to drop 56 comments on your
Well hmm if I knew that you could post comments on posters I would have replied along time ago. Well here is my reply. I finished these posters 3 days before the show, when your 16 and in Murrieta and have no way to put the posters up you donít. If I had friend who would do this I would have. I had to be an asshole and use some one elseís blank screen to get the back round then I re-emoltioned there screen cause they didnít have the class till after tanks giving break (plus they did a horrible job coating it). So thatís why I didnít do it. The bands totally dug the posters and I gave them as many as they wanted. I would have paid them if I made allot of money but being that not many people like the epicentre not many people went or liked the posters so I told jp that I was going to give 31g half the money he firmly said no and that I should either keep the money or take the half of what I made and split it with the bands. I didnít split it with the bands cause I sold 5 and only made 15 dollars. So I spent it all on merch. Hmm what an asshole huh? I used the money I made to buy merch. From the bands that I "exploited". The reason I'm selling the posters is because I made too many and Iím only asking for a dollar plus and that will only cover shipping. In the end I will probley make less then the 15$ of HUGE profit I did at the show were I "exploited" the bands. Well next time I make a poster I will be sure to think hmm what will the crazy assholes on gig posters think? Well I would like to give a big thanx to any one who wasnít an asshole and I would like to officially than 8ball. 8ball feel free to e-mail me and ill send you a free poster.
art- i don't think this kid is a sleazball i just think he doesn't know better.
i find it very strange and sad that people on here are trying to inform a newbie on acceptable, legal and ethical practices and others like 8ball are saying to ignore that advice.
you guys have extremely solid and very high moral and ethical standards. i deeply admire that. and your have the courage to voice your opinions in an open forum (nothing sneaky about you guys).
however, i think your arguements are falling on deaf ears when it comes to the sleazeballs. in fact they will most likely ENJOY your objections - because they are sleazeballs. it's sort of like torturing smalls animals. most of us are apalled, but there will always be one person who gets off on it.
so, don't waste your breathe (or type). just continue to set a high-level example and that is the best revenge on the sleazeballs.
but, just remember that nobody is perfect...
i don't think the bands know that they weren't used as promo.
if i wanted to i could check as i'm contact with one if the acts and thier managemet BUT i wouldn't do that.
do;t want his kid to ge in shit- just want him to learn.
trying to inform this guy for future posters and how one should and shouldnt proceed.
the guys in the locust are very sweet guys.
maybe too sweet for thier own good.
just because one band is ok with what's basically a bootlege (because presumably they though the kid had plastered the town) doesn't mean that a) the other bands on the bill are
b) that the management/lable/merchandiser of said band feel as laiser-faire about the whole deal
or c) that's this is an aceptable way to make posters
yeah it might work 1, 2, 3 times but at any second could get you a lawsuit AND insure that your reputation as an artist/designer is RUINED.
if you don't care about potentially geting sued, pissing off bands, or hving a reputation as a shady mofo then by all means make posters for every band you like and just sell them at the shows
just don't be surprised when it blows up in your face.
from the get-go seling gig posters is a BIG FUCKING GREY AREA and there are some pretty sad stories of artistys abd fans getting pretty badly burned by the whole copyright thing.
my views on all this stuff are exceedingly well known here on this site, so i won't boor anyone with repeating them.
however, nobody has really pointed out what a dreadful poster this is. it's like a PARODY of an "arty" gigposter done to insult the viewer. anybody stupid enough to buy this piece of crap is getting what he/she deserves.
another humble opinion from the evil chantry beast.
the diff on those pearl jam and dylan posters is the acts are HIRING the artist in question and getting quite a HUGE chunk of posters to sell (and more often than not having the right to veto the art before it goes to print)
the diffrence is like being hired to design a shirt for a band or showing up and selling bootleg shirts outside a concert
sure you migh be only selling your bootlege at 5$ and they might be "promoting" the band but it could still set you up to be fucked.
this is a nearsighted arguement.
from pearl jam to phish to dylan to insane clown posse to the allman brothers to phil lesh ... ALL sell merch posters at the show that WERENT used for promotion. the list is HUGE. tons more bands than i have listed here. TONS of commemorative posters made and sold also.
if the bands involved didnt care why are we busting on this kid? he did a merch poster. end of story.
Sure his stuff "looks like crap". Great. My comment on his poster was to encourage the kid and fuck all the people putting him down. Period.
Then it became a question of ethics versus art. Well, fuck that! When has art become ethical? When has art been on the side of the law? Shit, I might as well do work FOR the law and FOR the government. Fucking lame ass poster politics.
You should probably put your money where your mouth is Chloe. Don't sell your posters at (or after) the gig without giving them a profit or else you're exploiting the bands. What a crock of hypocritical shit.
Fact is, you put a kid down on his first effort. Real fucking "cool". Goddamn Canadian midgets.
If someone made a GIGposter for my band, didn't distribute it, never intended to, yet sold it, even for a buck, I'd be a little peeved. But only a little. He should keep his stack of posters and cut his losses. If it's okay to sell them then tomorrow morning I'm going to make a really cool poster for uh...the White Stripes' next show and sell it. While I'm at it, I'll throw together a Turbonegro poster. And I agree. this poster leaves a lot to be desired, even for the outsider, naive, primitive art look.
However, if he had originally intended to distribute it as an actuall promotional poster, but couldn't, didn't, whatever - that's a little better. But perhaps not if it was never commissioned by the band or venue.
That's my two cents.
This poster is cool. It has orange and a light blue-ish color, and red. Red is definitely the new black. I have no idea what show this is promoting or who designed it. But I hope it works out for all parties involved.
It's still a promotional item (it promotes the bands, the artist, the venue, the show itself...even after the show is long over). It's still a GIG poster because it's a poster FOR the gig. People buy these posters at gigs for lots of reasons: to have a keepsake from the show, they like the artwork, they like the bands on the poster, etc...all different. Not everybody can go hunting around town for a poster, just to rip off a wall or pole. Just because he didn't put them up all over the place before the show, makes it any less valid than if he did.
Brandon said he gave copies of the posters to the band. I would imagine he told them that he wasn't able to put them up. If he didn't, so what? I would think bands would be more pissed off that artists are selling posters of the gig (with their name on it) after the fact for $10, $20, $50, $1000, because they're not getting a cut of the profit. Just like the whole Phish debacle. This also extends to how much he sold the posters for. You think a band gives a crap about a $3 poster sale compared to someone selling a buttload at $60 a pop??
You're worried that the bands got "exploited". If that's the case, then everyone should sell their posters at cost, not turn a profit, and immediately cease to sell them after the gig is over. That's just stupid.
i was wrong
gig posters aren't about the shows or about the bands
i don't know HOW i could of thought that gig posters were to advertise gigs.
they are about sharing and selling art.
the fact is A GIG POSTER IS MEANT TO PROMOTE A GIG
it's a promotional item.
if you can't get yr shit together to do that then don't make a gig poster.
and if u just wanna make a share yr art and not worry about "rules" then maybe you should just do fine art
the amount the posters are beingsold for doesn't fucking matter
this guy has some talent so hopefully now he's learned and won't do this in the future but selling posters at a show that weren't used t promote the show is a pretty fast and sure way to burn bridges with bands, venues and promoters.
i don'rt wanna speak for anyone else but i doubt the bands would be really happy if they knew the posters were never posted up to actually draw a crowd.
How did this person fuck over the bands? He/she admittedly made, what, $15? It's STILL a promo piece as the more posters they get rid of now, the more the band names get out compared to even if they never made the poster at all. People get a copy, throw it on their wall, people see it, hey, promotion. Might not get as much viewing as it being outside on a wall or pole, but it still does it's job of promotion.
Mod brought up a great point...TONS of people make posters just for sale inside the show.
Ethics? It's a poster fer chrissakes, probably this person's first. The band got copies, and the artist is trying to get rid of them for admittedly "anything over a dollar", which I would imagine would be to cover postage to sending them out. Hardly exploiting the bands. I think, Chloe, you're just bent because he didn't take the method you feel is considered "acceptable".
You should probably at least show the poster to the band and see if they approve of having their name attached to your artwork before selling it for your own profit though...
btw, I like how thick this ink is...
not to stir the shit up but this happens quite a bit....selling posters inside the gig and never used as promo. I mean look at ames bros....every one of their posters were sold only inside never used as promotion.
fuck the shit talkers?
what the fuck dude
this poster was madewith the intent of selling and NOT as promo
while fucking the critics should he also be fucking over the bands?
i'm all about people doing and shariging thier work BUT simply using the bands to sell your work is simply not etical.
I know you took a lot of shit with this poster because of your attempt to sell them on the forum. But who gives a fuck! I want to say that I'm stoked that you put this up because (from my opinion) you love your artwork and you're trying to share it with others who could possibly have the same interests (and maybe look up to). Don't worry about the shit talkers as there will always be those...Just stick to your guns, fuck the critics, and you'll do good in the only book that matters....yours.