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Raymond Pettibon
Los Angeles
Art Chantry 
2003-10-20 14:17:08
Black Flag

Black Flag Poster - Vex, Los Angeles - Raymond Pettibon

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Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   mad not made
  2008-08-25 12:53:51
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   nah, he always got made that they just slapped the band names on top of his drawings. He and Greg supposedly don't speak now.   2008-08-25 12:48:29
scrojoSend scrojo a message :   pettibone was really close to the band. hung out with them contantly ( hell, besides being greg's brother ray was also in the original line-up of black flag ). i've allways assumed that the images were allways the end result of some black flag drunken conversation.   2008-08-25 12:12:13
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   in pettibon's case, it was one of those weird 'synchronicity' things. his brother is greg ginn. the band just used his images for posters. i don't even know if they had his permission, frankly. but, because of all the cultural intertwining, it proved to be the perfect imagery for black flag.
try to imagine a pettibon image without thinking about black flag. try to imagine black flag without a pettibon image conveying all that bleak attitude? it was perfect. a marriage made in pergatory.
never mind that none of it was custom drawn for the individual posters. it was perfect as is. like stanley mouse and the dead - a perfect match in the astral plane..
  2008-08-25 11:32:08
Pfahlert Creative LabsSend Pfahlert Creative Labs a message :   i just hope they can save the umbrella.
always cool when design/art fits the band/venue/album/whatever.
  2008-08-24 20:13:27
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   this scan looks pretty much pristine.   2008-08-24 18:43:10
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   how many blends were used ? are there varients ?   2008-08-24 17:53:42
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   these were all made in the late 70's and into the early 80's. quick-print and analog copiers all have certain looks to them that i'm extremely familiar with. also, the paper in use back then is VERY different from our paper today (thanks to desktop compatibility.
combine that with age, yellowing and wear (pin holes, tape stains, telephone pole creosote, rain wrinkles, etc. etc.) and i can usually tell at a glance whether it's real or not. even old folds made years ago compared to folds made recently look very different.
i've had a lot of people come to me to authenticate "real punk posters". if i can't figure it out, that means it's probably fake.
once in a while you see a "mint" punk poster, but they look fake because they're so clean and tidy. the best way is to only collect used punk posters and not "mint" ones. posters that have been "danced" (in museum circles, that's how they refer to african masks that have actually been used in ceremonies rather than sold to tourists) may be the only way to truly authenticate punk posters.
that's really funny to think that the only way to tell if it's a 'real' punk poster is whether it's been damaged in use. punks didn't save "mint" posters. that was considered posing.
anti-posters to the end...
  2008-08-24 17:43:55
steve wSend steve w a message :   carbon-date the toner   2008-08-24 15:54:28
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   How would you know they are legit?   2008-08-24 15:51:01
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   if had a load of free money, i'd just buy old black flag and circle jerks posters (etc.) on the web. i'd just buy shawn kerri and hernandez and pettibon. that stuff is still so cheap that is amazes me. you can get all of pettibon's poster output for pennies (metaphorically speaking).
man, that stuff will someday be worth a mint.
  2008-08-24 15:45:52
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   I like your concepts dude. :)
  2008-08-24 12:57:27
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   I hear you zhobbers   2008-08-24 12:19:07
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   PS I don't know if this is the case with this specific artwork. This might have been drawn specifically for this show....   2008-08-24 10:50:38
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   Michael, Raymond hated these flyers cause the band would just take his random drawings and cut and paste the band/venue info on top. He didn't have much input in many of them... So maybe the drawing has a concept, but the band wasn't actively involved in anything more than picking out a cool drawing. This could be an exception...
It's weird, Pettibone's art would have been the same with or without Black Flag logos on top, but that's THE Black Flag brand. Kinda cool.
  2008-08-24 10:48:57
SquirtSend Squirt a message :   umbrellas, concept or not, Pettibone always hit hard - rules - I think that's the point   2008-08-22 22:24:57
Pfahlert Creative LabsSend Pfahlert Creative Labs a message :   there's actually an umbrella under the blankey on the stretcher.   2008-08-22 21:20:55
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   But these seem "conceptual" no?   2008-08-22 20:21:05
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   I bet that fat guy fondles the corpses.   2008-08-22 19:58:22
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   Wasn't the Vex run by those guys in Los Illegals?   2008-08-22 19:47:27
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   these are a great argument against "concept"...   2008-08-22 19:46:55
SquirtSend Squirt a message :   Haw haw haw haw haw! umbrellas...szszshit ... that's funny.
Pettibone is the mazn
  2008-08-22 19:37:23
ImJustRickGSend ImJustRickG a message :   Christ, why are there only FOUR COMMENTS? THIS IS WHY PEOPLE MAKE POSTERS. Attention everyone under 32: FIND. OUT. ABOUT. RAY. PETTIBON. Before you go making stupid posters with umbrellas on them, damnit.   2008-08-22 19:35:04
john seaburySend john seabury a message :   What Paul said...   2006-09-30 00:29:42
imagineSend imagine a message :   oh yea   2006-09-29 19:47:43
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