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DESIGNER:
Lindsey Kuhn 
VENUE:
The Whiskey
Hollywood
CA
USA
 
SUBMITTED BY:
Lindsey Kuhn 
2001-06-22 08:57:11
 
BANDS:
Crash Worship
Ethyl Meatplow
Zenigeva
Mudwimin



Crash Worship Poster - The Whiskey, Hollywood - Lindsey Kuhn



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MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I missed this comment the first time around somehow...
"And go jerk of to some Swede Death Metal Album covers. I hear if you stroke your taint 3 times while whackin it to a Manowar cover, the spirit of Odin overtakes you balls. "
Now I remember exactly why I dislike Rising Son.
  2007-03-06 18:17:30
macthulhuSend macthulhu a message :   Randomizer... picking at the scab...   2007-03-06 17:47:52
HolyCrapstickSend HolyCrapstick a message :   holy crap, that is some nice font treatment! and that dude has a crazy ass earing made of some bone and shit! I freakin love it!
matar!matar the virgin!
  2006-09-10 16:11:10
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   seeing all that rain is making me need to urinate   2005-03-25 20:48:20
Engine HouseSend Engine House a message :   BUMP   2005-03-25 20:43:58
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   dude needs a parasol   2005-03-17 20:20:56
John ASend John A a message :   Dude was going to sacrifice her in order to bring rain for the crops. But now that it's raining she has passed out. Dude is contemplating whether he should off her anyway as her old man is going to kick his ass if he brings her home in such a state. To compound the dilemma he now must consider the witness/accomplice.   2005-03-17 20:17:13
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   I wonder what the rain signifies?   2005-03-17 20:03:43
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   More or less.   2005-03-17 16:36:17
JGexSend JGex a message :   "I find them fascinating."
What, like an ant farm?
:lol:
  2005-03-17 16:30:46
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   Maxflo, agreed. I played D&D one day at lunch in jr. high.   2005-03-17 16:07:19
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Zack, I think the geek factor is equaly as high. I have been around both scenes enough to see the paralells.   2005-03-17 16:03:00
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   but, if you put posters in the context of booze and rock'n'roll, we're all WAY less dorky than those geeks.   2005-03-17 15:57:46
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I find them fascinating. And humorous.
I'm fascinated.
  2005-03-17 15:41:29
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   You think the D&D guys are bad? Try working in the video game industry. Combination D&D and computer geek. 100% more geekiness per geek.   2005-03-17 15:40:35
JGexSend JGex a message :   They probably would think we're all poster dorks.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
  2005-03-17 15:34:28
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   those dudes are dorks.   2005-03-17 15:28:38
JGexSend JGex a message :   I can't believe I actually went to read that.... :-?   2005-03-17 15:19:04
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Here's a lively discussion:
http://www.dndonlinegames.com/showthread.php?t=13746
  2005-03-17 15:16:01
JGexSend JGex a message :   Bet they don't argue about stretched type there. Being stretched on a rack maybe.....   2005-03-17 15:14:49
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I can't stop reading the D&D forums.
It's fascinating.
  2005-03-17 15:13:38
JGexSend JGex a message :   :no:
Can I be a magic elf?
  2005-03-17 15:10:17
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Sorcerer, you'll have to go on my waiting list because Tenko posted first. You are correct in seeing that we could use a magic user. Tenko, there are 2 fighter types already, so if you make a 3rd you may not feel as useful. It might be better if you try another class, but the choice is yours. You can still be an elf and you can still specialize in the bow and be sorcerer or druid or whatever. I have a Rogue, cleric, fighter, paladin, and possibly a ranger, (I’m still waiting for Mikebgavin to respond). If he doesn’t respond by tomorrow, Sorcerer can join. So that leaves Barbarian, Bard, Druid, Monk, Wizard, and of course any multiclass combinations. Barbarians and Monks are fighter types, a Bard would be nice for dealing with people and their knowledge would mean you would know more than many people which could help you figure out what needs to be done. A Druid can be fun because of the wild shapes and at high levels the spells are impressive. Wizards can cast a larger variety of spells than a sorcerer, but a sorcerer can cast a lot of a few specific spells. A spell caster can be kind of hard for a beginning character to play but not impossible. I think a Bard or your original idea of a fighter would be easiest.   2005-03-17 15:01:54
Harrison BergeronSend Harrison Bergeron a message :   This poster really is awesome.   2005-03-17 14:39:44
RobSend Rob a message :   no, ajb.
he's clearly pissed about the type that surrounds him...he's so pissed that he killed his girl.
there's no place in this world for bad type.
  2005-03-17 14:13:43
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   Maybe he is summoning the rain..
hmm..
it all makes sence now
  2005-03-17 14:02:44
John ASend John A a message :   Aww c'mon Dave ... Don't you go and " jump done his throat."   2005-03-17 13:41:49
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   i think that barn guy is lost in trying to be loved.   2005-03-17 13:39:46
jSend j a message :   I get skate wheels from Lindsey. His wheels fucking rule.   2005-03-17 13:12:28
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   JGex - you may be right about the tone.
Energy driunks can make ya over-cavlier.
Off Topid - The FULL THROTTLE one that Coke makes is pretty fuckin badass.
  2005-03-17 12:58:20
JGexSend JGex a message :   A lot of type was enlarged or shrunk on a stat camera in a darkroom - I don't know if that is the case here.
The first comment on the type was just a slag, not a crit. Even if the point is/was legit, a lot of people were lost on the tone alone.
  2005-03-17 12:56:08
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Not quite the 300th comment...but I gotta take a shit and there's someone in the fucking bathroom.   2005-03-17 12:55:10
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   If youre asking me, Shad, in 93 I was basically working with Letraset and I was really into the "squared out look", like the kid of boxed-justification you see on the back of Nirvana's BLEACH.
Stretching wasnt really too feasable at the time, but I remember even as early as 91 (I was in high school) I remembered seeing alot of Ned's Atomic Dustbin stuff witht the same streched text look I take issue with here and I thought it looked bad then too. DOnt really recall anyone thinking that Ned's "breaks the rules and pisses off "propper" design school of thoiught. "
In fact MaxFlo, by that logic, theres alot of Church Social Groups out there producing very "ROCK"styled t-shirts and newsletters.
If ONLY they new the history of how their Church Bulletins came to be so fuckin PUNK ROCK!
  2005-03-17 12:53:14
ShadSend Shad a message :   Ha ha.
"This looks like ass, you suck."
"I made it look like ass on purpose, it's my gestalt. I was trying to channel the ass of my ancestors in design"
"Oh, it's awesome then, you're a genius"
Does all design have to be explained to be good? It seems like a lot of designers are just waiting for people to ask them about their choices.
  2005-03-17 12:50:56
John ASend John A a message :   When I'm at the end of a long week and feeling digitally distressed I like to go for a cyber massage and a tea.   2005-03-17 12:48:08
ShadSend Shad a message :   What did your sutff look like in 1993?   2005-03-17 12:46:44
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Fair enough. Ill buy that.   2005-03-17 12:46:36
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   The point is that stretching the text doesn't matter. It is part of a "style" of poster design. It isn't lazy. it is intended. I stretch type all the time in order to achieve this old school feel.
It breaks the rules and pisses off "propper" design school of thoiught.
It's ROCK.
  2005-03-17 12:45:47
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   ...is.   2005-03-17 12:44:59
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   OK then. Honestly. Not being snarky.
What exactly do I miss the point about?
Im asking honestly and nicely. Im new to this poster thing (6 months in) and for my opwn education, I would like to know.
  2005-03-17 12:43:43
BoydSend Boyd a message :   "You seem to miss the point completely."
and repeatedly
  2005-03-17 12:42:30
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   im still pissed at the ego of that dude.
  2005-03-17 12:41:33
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   IS. Two letters. One word.
is.
  2005-03-17 12:39:08
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   O.k. Now I am totaly going to have to agree with Richie. You just don't get it. You seem to miss the point completely. :|   2005-03-17 12:38:07
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   He has to type alot becuase if he doesn't explain himself thoroughly everyone will jump done his throat.   2005-03-17 12:37:55
John ASend John A a message :   you type a lot.   2005-03-17 12:36:01
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Um....the text on this poster that I had originally taken issue with was obviously set in digitally. WITH a computer. Isnt it?
Again, my problem with this text is that I think (in my OPINION) that it detracts from the poster as a whole. If you are working on an entire poster, you should pay attention to all parts and make them work together.
This isnt about kerning, or digital or any of that. Even in 1993, stretched text looked bad, regardless of who did it. It would have taken LESS work on the artists part to NOT stretch the text. In my opinion, it would have made this poster work better.
Im not impugning Kuhn, or his history, or his aesthetic, the era he came up in or anything else people might want to reframe this as. You dont see alot of strecthed typography in the Family Dog Stuff (an NO, psychedlic type isnt the same thing), Peter Saville, Reid Miles, Saul Bass, virtually all the great s that predate Kuhn, so I dont think thats vaild.
Stretching typography. Either digitally, thru photostat, exposures, whatever, IS and HAS been for a long time a LAZY solution to a design problem. It compromises the type and looks cheap. And that doesnt have a damn thing to do with computers.
Is Kuhn a legendary artist worthy of respect? Certainly. But that doesnt make his type choice a good one.
Sorry, just my opinion.
  2005-03-17 12:32:43
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   I wore skidz to school once and got made fun of....   2005-03-17 12:31:02
John ASend John A a message :   I had some digitally distressed blue jeans when I was in high school.   2005-03-17 12:28:39
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   I still feel that the rain is flowing in the wrong direction   2005-03-17 12:25:49
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I just like saying digitally distressed.
I already know your story Fisher.
Digitally distressed.
  2005-03-17 12:25:29
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I don't see anything really wrong with digitaly distressing stuff. I create all kinds of hand distresssed textures and scan them. I am not all that interested in dragging an illo I spent 12 hours on around behind my car for 20 minutes just to prove a point.
I also don't have anything against digital offset prints as a means to get started in the poster biz. It worked for me.
  2005-03-17 12:23:19
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Digitally Distressed.   2005-03-17 12:17:23
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   coffee in the morning is almost as good as booze in the evening   2005-03-17 12:12:17
JGexSend JGex a message :   The only posters I can say don't fit a band, are for bands I am intimately familiar with... for what that is worth.   2005-03-17 10:55:16
John ASend John A a message :   I don't think anyone bashed aa at all.   2005-03-17 10:49:04
seripopSend seripop a message :   aa are inovative in what they do they deserve made respect in my books
thier imitators on the other hand leave me as cold as the half-assed coop ripoffs i used to see everywhere
  2005-03-17 10:46:47
ShadSend Shad a message :   Maybe no "bashed" but sometimes the divide paints some wide strokes and I'm not sure who people are talking about.
Someone should just make a list of posters that don't work, clear things up a little.
  2005-03-17 10:43:52
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   good point on design companies shad. point totally taken.
was aa being bashed?
  2005-03-17 10:28:18
ShadSend Shad a message :   It seems like being anti-design is pretty dumb too. People were picking on Aestetic Apparatus, but I haven't seen any posters where it wasn't clear they were thinking about the band.
People doing a Shins poster with skulls is just as dumb as Cross' "viking funeral"
  2005-03-17 10:24:44
ryanaugustSend ryanaugust a message :   The last time I saw Crash Worship was at Mardi Gras a few years ago. They poured vinegar on me and the only pair of jeans I had with me. I stank for the entire ride back to Ohio.
Lindsey is an innovator. Making comments on older posters without putting them into the context of when they were created is moronic.
  2005-03-17 10:22:41
JGexSend JGex a message :   I agree with what Shad just said. It seems to be more about the designer, and less about the bands in some cases.
And that is part of what is going to bring the heat down from some of the bands, IMO.
  2005-03-17 10:18:35
ShadSend Shad a message :   I totally agree with everything you say dave, except "if you worked in an ad agency, you would fail doing it any other way. "
I've worked for Ad Agencies, full time, but mostly as a freelance as an interactive designer. It's just as "corrupt" as posters. People come up with ideas because they love monkeys. want to win award shows, or build a better book to get a better job. It's total creatives masturbation, no different form the complaints people have about posters. It's probably 100 times more actually, the design culture here pales by comparison. The only difference is that posters don't have any sort of client approval or filtering process. Especially posters done for the venue.
  2005-03-17 10:05:16
John ASend John A a message :   Dave, barndood is gone. I think he is off digitally distressing his scrotum.
Judy, maybe you're right but I know that Supercorn QOTSA poster is gone from here. That was a shitstorm.
  2005-03-17 09:55:30
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   i just went to farmbarns site.. just an fyi.. all digital 11x17".. no edition size mentioned. wow.
making more sense now. heh.
  2005-03-17 09:54:50
seripopSend seripop a message :   farmbarn guys: biggest douchebags ever
milquetoast ripoffs of methane..
  2005-03-17 09:53:37
JGexSend JGex a message :   JohnA, I wish i could remember which poster.... that would be fun to reflect on. I think it was actually a designer vs. illustrator argument, but I could be wrong.
Phila - don't worry, we can all read..... :wink:
  2005-03-17 09:52:41
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   farmbarn you can say i "twisted" your words, however it was a direct quote.
you then continued to put your foot in your mouth.
you can curse all you want, and tell me to go "fuck myself"
wont change a thing. im amazed at the lack of your vision.
  2005-03-17 09:50:28
John ASend John A a message :   ahhh.... but which poster was that on? I have no idea, unless it was one of those geneswig/goadsmom things.   2005-03-17 09:48:07
JGexSend JGex a message :   "Does anyone else remember the first time a poster got 100 comments? There was an audible crash, the site crashed and Clay had to re-fuck it. "
Yes, yes I do.... :P
  2005-03-17 09:43:05
seripopSend seripop a message :   digital distressing = :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:   2005-03-17 09:42:11
John ASend John A a message :   Does anyone else remember the first time a poster got 100 comments? There was an audible crash, the site crashed and Clay had to re-fuck it.
good times...
  2005-03-17 09:39:12
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   Andy, don't interfere with my thread killing magicks. Oh man, I don't mean tuh be hatin'....proceed.   2005-03-17 09:37:55
JGexSend JGex a message :   I'm still trying to shake the visual on the scrotum tug and the labiabunions.....   2005-03-17 09:33:41
J W BuchananSend J W Buchanan a message :   Andy, don't interfere with my thread killing magicks.   2005-03-17 09:32:36
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   I'm just hoping we can break the 400 mark on this one. come one guys we can do it. Turkey Bacon is better than Pig Bacon....discuss.   2005-03-17 09:30:15
connor13Send connor13 a message :   so its control>D then control >P?   2005-03-17 09:20:24
J W BuchananSend J W Buchanan a message :   YE OLDE FARMEBARNE digital imaging concern.
Filters>Sac Wrangler>Scrotal Tug>Fade 50%
  2005-03-17 09:17:53
JGexSend JGex a message :   Hmmm, my sarcasm meter must have been off. I also agree with JW Buchanan   2005-03-17 09:17:51
goad74Send goad74 a message :   "Actually I do posters becuase I want to be liked by people the people I admire on gig, so fuck the band, fuck the fans, and fuck you."
Seriously?
  2005-03-17 09:15:58
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   That was PM sarcasm...I was basically, in a round-about way telling philaarts to fuck himself.   2005-03-17 09:15:39
J W BuchananSend J W Buchanan a message :   "but if you look at our posters I think you'll notice we go through an extensive distressing process before we hit command P."
DOUCHE-BAGGE
  2005-03-17 09:15:39
JGexSend JGex a message :   "Actually I do posters becuase I want to be liked by people the people I admire on gig, so fuck the band, fuck the fans, and fuck you."
Can you clarify this for me, because I think I'm not quite grasping what you're saying here.
  2005-03-17 09:13:18
John ASend John A a message :   you got a mouse in your pocket? :mrgreen:   2005-03-17 09:11:31
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   I'm glad we all finally came to an agreement!! :D   2005-03-17 09:10:38
John ASend John A a message :   I agree with JGex...   2005-03-17 09:09:10
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   JohnA, like I said to Gex I completely agree with you...but if you look at our posters I think you'll notice we go through an extensive distressing process before we hit command P.
Philaarts, you took what I said an twisted it around, and thats when I clarified my statement. Actually I do posters becuase I want to be liked by people the people I admire on gig, so fuck the band, fuck the fans, and fuck you.
  2005-03-17 09:06:30
JGexSend JGex a message :   mikebarn, you might completely agree with me about the screen printing, but I have an idea that's probably one of the few things we agree on.
I agree with CodyP....
  2005-03-17 09:03:11
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   I just wanted to take the opportunity to point out that I completely agree with Dave.   2005-03-17 08:56:46
John ASend John A a message :   I was just trying to point out that it is one thing to digitally produce a poster and just hit control p when you are done and an entirely different matter to take it some steps futher in production which becomes a PART of the craft itself.
and Zach, it's bowl of dicks, thanks. :mrgreen:
  2005-03-17 08:55:38
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   no mikebarn, you posted about the clients etc AFTER i pointed out how retarded your approach was.
keep on doing what you do. maybe a design mag will show one of your posters.. oh the joy.
your priorites are skewed. you changed your "statement" after you were called out on it.
you are a wankery designer who cares about your peers too much. live with it.
  2005-03-17 08:54:03
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   JGex, I completely agree with you...I work for a apperal company designing t-shirts...screen-printing is an art in it's own right. I am always blown away but some of the techniques and attention to detail on this website. I seriously wish I had the time and space to screen-print right now, but we don't and like I said earlier sometimes you have to play the hand your dealt.   2005-03-17 08:51:28
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   Lindsey has never been a favorite of mine, I respect him for what he does though...he does make damn fine posters...just yeah, usually to me the subject matter is unappealing, the illustration is alright at best...or the colors irritate me. But fact is that he's been doing this longer than almost anybody here, he gets tons of work and makes a good living at it. I think some people have tall poppy syndrome.   2005-03-17 08:49:12
JGexSend JGex a message :   make that "part of why"   2005-03-17 08:48:59
JGexSend JGex a message :   Also, not to knock digital prints, but the art and craft of screen printing is actually why some of us do this.   2005-03-17 08:48:38
JGexSend JGex a message :   :scream:
You are absolutely correct, JohnA. Lindsey, like some other artists, probably doesn't give a rat's ass what some people think.
I think I'll shut up and go be productive myself.
  2005-03-17 08:44:36
John ASend John A a message :   Bwaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa   2005-03-17 08:42:56
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   John, go eat a bag of dicks. I do digital prints and I'm damn proud of them and guess what, they're good. chew on my nuts you asshole.   2005-03-17 08:40:31
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   JohnA, maybe you should start a new website called www.screen-printed-gigposters.com.   2005-03-17 08:40:27
John ASend John A a message :   One funny thing is, while all this ranting was going on here. Lindsey was doing art shows in two different states and had a third state earlier this month. Right now sure he's on his way to Flatstock to show more of his work and mix in some skateboarding/snowboarding in between. Dude makes a living between this and a skateboard company he owns and he could care less what people think about this. All this time, some of you are content to just wank out a fiery digital print as an excuse to put it up here and jerk each other off. Put it to bed ya fuckin' doucherockets.   2005-03-17 08:34:06
JGexSend JGex a message :   But when the "client" is a venue, are you making the band happy?   2005-03-17 08:31:56
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   Hey philaarts quit being a huge douchebag and read all the posts...I posted this yesterday.
"The first thing we do is try and make our clients happy, if it wasn't for the clients there wouldn't be any posters...I said I rather be ACCEPTED by fellow designers. Complete different statement. "
  2005-03-17 08:26:58
JephSend Jeph a message :   Did I mention that I like baloney   2005-03-17 08:25:16
JGexSend JGex a message :   "this isn't portfolioposters.com"
:lol:
or submitbutneverusedposters.com
you're a hater, Dave.
  2005-03-17 08:22:19
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   my last comment on this.
i rather see a poster for some show for a venue that was.... a. not great, but the designers INTENT was to rep the band and appeal to the fans
than
b. an artist who doesnt put the band/fan first
if you are gonna do an ad, do it for the client. if you worked in an ad agency, you would fail doing it any other way.
doing a venue poster idependantly from direct contact with the band should at least have the intent to help, not wankery.
im outta here.
  2005-03-17 07:53:49
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   i guess i just got pissy when i read that someone rather impress a fellow designer than the band or a fan.
its just so wrong. this isnt portfolioposters.com
  2005-03-17 07:45:47
JGexSend JGex a message :   It's also very egotistical, and sometimes completely unrealistic to think that your vision is always better than the band's. Some bands have members that are visual artists.... for instance, The Flaming Lips. Who here is going to tell Coyne that THEIR vision is better than his?
On the other hand, there are definitely bands who need a little visual help. Still, the art, when done for legit merch, album covers, or t-shirts, still goes through some sort of approval process.
When we or other artists do posters just for the venue or promoter, the band is very often excluded from the process. Most of the time, that probably isn't a problem, but how many discussions have there been here about posters not really repping a band very well?
I can think of more than a few myself. And there are plenty of posters that have been done for some of the clients we work with very closely, and many definitely do not reflect the bands image.
But what do I know?
  2005-03-17 07:39:30
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   what makes me laugh is when an artist says that the band "needs" the designers vision to represent them visually.
dont these bands pay thousands to get cd covers, shirts, stickers designed to their/record company/merch specifications? its not like they are clueless in using artwork for their band without poster designers... think about it, they hired someone else for mass distribution.
to think that your vision is better then what the band chooses for widspread promo/merch is self serving and ignorant.
  2005-03-17 07:22:08
JGexSend JGex a message :   I totally agree with dave and Fisher. These posters are for BANDS & FANS.
Ya know, I almost can't wait for bands to start cracking down on posters done with no approvals from them. I wouldn't even want to guess how many posters are done that fail the bands while the designer is worried about what their peers will leave as comments on this board.
  2005-03-17 07:15:44
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   i responded to this before.. but i have to say it again.. this barn dude is why rock posters have become lame. with this attitude
"philaarts.
Would you rather be accepted by fellow designers or the public?
For me, I'd rather be accepted by someone like Michael A., Dusty, or Robert Lee, not some douchebag going to see a TapRoot concert."
this is the problem. you make a coke commercial to appeal to customers, not to impress other designers.
its backwards and killing posters.
  2005-03-17 06:45:36
8ballSend 8ball a message :   I skipped the last half of the comments...so if I'm repeating, fuck it.
This was done in '93. It did a lot more poster-wise than the people currently pissing and moaning about it. Times change and hindsight is 50-50. Get over it. Still a nice piece, regardless of the type. Probably more of an effort back then, than today's font-o-rama bucket drops.
  2005-03-17 03:57:30
oahu_surfaSend oahu_surfa a message :   stretched, force-justified text is old school. pretty much all of the good early/mid 90's stuff was like this. type...here ya go.   2005-03-17 03:14:51
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   No, I was not saying THIS was hobo, I was making a snarky point.
And "Jurrasic" was a generalization about the font's style....agghghh whatever.
  2005-03-17 01:11:09
ajosephbSend ajosephb a message :   the rain in the background should be falling from left to right instead of right to left...   2005-03-16 22:59:42
J W BuchananSend J W Buchanan a message :   HOBOOOOOOO!!!!   2005-03-16 22:48:38
J W BuchananSend J W Buchanan a message :   You thought Neuland was Hobo! I'm ripping up your design nerd membership card as we speak. Please sterilize your cock ring and return it to Mr. Peveto AT ONCE!   2005-03-16 22:48:04
J W BuchananSend J W Buchanan a message :   WTF DOODZ
That isn't Hobo or "Jurassic Park." That's Neuland, a fucking righteously excellent typeface. Tighten up your game, fools.
  2005-03-16 22:45:24
JGexSend JGex a message :   :scream: :bomb: :shaking: :redhot:
  2005-03-16 22:07:33
ShadSend Shad a message :   "All you can see is a piece of paper with symbols placed on it in a way that is not pleasing to the way your brain has been formatted."
This is good, sometimes I think that the more I learn, the less I'm able to do.
  2005-03-16 17:54:02
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Actually, what Perkins said about the original context of the poster (can I SAY that) being in the early 90's and whatnot makes more sense to me than anything else in this entire waste of brainwaves.   2005-03-16 17:45:31
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I doubt I'll ever make anything great so I think we are both safe. I'll just stick to mediocre. That is what I do best.   2005-03-16 17:45:00
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   Any of you guys notice the type on this thing? I mean... it's all... stretchy.   2005-03-16 17:44:01
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Well, Mike Fisher, if you made a poster that made both you and me happy...you would've done something great.   2005-03-16 17:36:39
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Everyone knows the only REAL shit came off a Guutenberg-style press. Everything that came after is for poseurs.   2005-03-16 17:13:43
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I'm a production artist.   2005-03-16 17:13:39
JephSend Jeph a message :   Kuhn rules, I WON'T read any of this bullshit later.   2005-03-16 17:13:25
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   The first thing we do is try and make our clients happy, if it wasn't for the clients there wouldn't be any posters...I said I rather be ACCEPTED by fellow designers. Complete different statement.
John A - believe you me, it pisses no one off more than us that our posters aren't screen-printed. Just becuase they aren't doesn't discredit us for our designs, and just becuase someone designed a screen-printed poster doesn't make it better. I do agree with you 100%, I don't want this fiery in my yard either, but you have to play the hand your dealt at certain times.
  2005-03-16 17:11:09
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Don't bother Lonny. You don't need it.   2005-03-16 17:09:26
UnitusSend Unitus a message :   KUHN rules.
i'll read all this bullshit later.
  2005-03-16 17:08:09
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   My Dad used to work as a magician and the Magic Castle in Hollywood.
  2005-03-16 17:02:25
bdixSend bdix a message :   and MAGIC, Andy. MAGIC! :D   2005-03-16 16:53:49
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   Anyone who designs a gigposter with anything other than the band in mind is a complete ass.
Remember all these are, are advertisements. That's it.
  2005-03-16 16:51:57
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Other designers likeing my work is nothing more than a bonus. I don't design anything with them in mind. I try to make the bands and fans happy first and foremost. I could honestly care less what people like Michael Apperatus thinks of my posters. In fact if he likes them I am probably doing something very, very wrong.   2005-03-16 16:30:04
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Never mind the fact that Im 30 and have worked in virtually every prnting medium from Linoleum to (yes) Screens and back again.
I only started doing concert posters 6 months ago.
I do them fre and we print them digital because there is NO BUDGET at all, and I believe in what the promoter is trying to do, bringin quality music acts (Bowling For Soup notwithstanding) to a town that doesnt support it.
But then, that doesnt fit into your prefab argument.
  2005-03-16 16:27:27
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Labiabunion? :o   2005-03-16 16:24:04
KurtSend Kurt a message :   I passed it up.
Overpriced.
  2005-03-16 16:23:46
John ASend John A a message :   You kids get your wagon and your fiery digitals the hell off of my lawn.   2005-03-16 16:21:31
PunchgutSend Punchgut a message :   Michael Apparatus is sassy   2005-03-16 16:20:44
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "Lindsey made this and screen printed it big with his own hands when you were still wishing for your first big wheel you fucking labiabunion. Go hump on your little ILL digital offsets."
And by that rationale, Thomas Kinkade is a better artist than all three of us because he PAINTS all of his stuff.
  2005-03-16 16:19:11
bdixSend bdix a message :   I'll take the supersize doucherocket combo, hold the labiabunions, and a few packets of gestalt and pepper.   2005-03-16 16:17:03
John ASend John A a message :   Lindsey made this and screen printed it big with his own hands when you were still wishing for your first big wheel you fucking labiabunion. Go hump on your little ILL digital offsets.   2005-03-16 16:10:19
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   Com'on Richie, you have to admit that comment was funny.   2005-03-16 16:03:44
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "It's pure. Something you'll never be."
Suuuure ya didnt.
  2005-03-16 16:03:34
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I didn't make this about me.
You whiners did.
What are you trying to say?
Just say it.
Start a thread.
  2005-03-16 16:02:37
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   Yeah, REAL GAY!!!   2005-03-16 16:01:03
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   That wasn't a threat. I just thought they'd be able to explain it better.
I totally don't care what you think of my work.
What I do is real.
  2005-03-16 16:00:21
scott campbellSend scott campbell a message :   2 colors
http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=42676
  2005-03-16 15:59:29
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   And BTW, say everything you just said is true. Say they came and gave me a beatdown that hospitalized me or whatever it is youre implying.
How would that make your point correct?
  2005-03-16 15:57:39
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Hahah. Yeah. Im gonna get into your threats. No thanks.
So lemme get this straight. Youve got a mean nasty client that doesnt liek their stuff on the internet? Fuck it, Ill buy that.
So they get ALL your best work and there isnt any otehr great stuff you could show me?
  2005-03-16 15:56:42
JohnnyThiefSend JohnnyThief a message :   Support your local 81!   2005-03-16 15:56:22
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   No. Really. I'm serious.
You're in Sacramento, correct? If you give me your address I could possibly have one of them motor by and explain it to you.
  2005-03-16 15:54:31
dspringSend dspring a message :   "Yeah yeah yeah. And you have a girlfriend that lives in the Niagara Falls area. Forgot. Sorry."
Nope... that's Brendan Jordan, and she's a lesbian too...
  2005-03-16 15:54:19
John ASend John A a message :   heh.. if you only knew.   2005-03-16 15:53:59
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "My main client is really nasty and mean too. They don't like their shit on the internet."
Yeah yeah yeah. And you have a girlfriend that lives in the Niagara Falls area. Forgot. Sorry.
  2005-03-16 15:53:06
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Rising Son. You aren't funny or clever.   2005-03-16 15:52:08
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   You can't. I don't care what you think.
My main client is really nasty and mean too. They don't like their shit on the internet.
  2005-03-16 15:51:25
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Where can I see your fine, fine cache of brilliant work Mr Goodtimes?
Cause the shit youve got on this site isnt all that great, and the stuff Barn has on here cleans your shits clock every hour on the hour.
Nobody here is crying, Goodtimes. Youre the one that started acting like a pouty bitch. Whats the matter? Mom find your stash again? Shit wouldnt happen if youd just padlock the basement door.
  2005-03-16 15:50:19
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   Maybe you wouldn't have all the extra time if gave your type treatments as much time as the rest of the poster.
RisingSon - thanks man, and I completely agree with you.
  2005-03-16 15:49:26
BoydSend Boyd a message :   ...afternoon delight!   2005-03-16 15:48:56
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I live on the rock art board with a bunch of other people. I work fast I have plenty of time to BS.
I'm sure there's a wanker design board that's looking for a couple fine fellows like yourself.
You're such crybabies.
All I do is production art. That's a hoot.
  2005-03-16 15:47:26
steve wSend steve w a message :   what's a rocket?   2005-03-16 15:46:36
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Mike its pointless.
Your shit is ILL, just say fuck it. Goodtimes LIVES on these boards.
Like a jock after high school hangin out in a 7-11 parking lot all day.
Let the baby have his bottle.
  2005-03-16 15:44:54
bdixSend bdix a message :   Did Richie just tell me to "fuck a tap root"?   2005-03-16 15:44:43
BoydSend Boyd a message :   Doooooooooouuuuuccccche rockets in flight...   2005-03-16 15:43:54
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Yeah. Thats all I do.   2005-03-16 15:43:39
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   As a production artist???   2005-03-16 15:42:28
JohnnyThiefSend JohnnyThief a message :   Did you just call my mother a whore?!!
(Man, I wish I could post that in strecthed HOBO font,... )
  2005-03-16 15:42:00
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   Richies graphic design carreer is better than most people will EVER have.   2005-03-16 15:41:26
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   drive fast.
lunch...stubbs...noon tomorrow.
  2005-03-16 15:34:28
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Have a great 'career.'   2005-03-16 15:34:13
Stainboy ReinelSend Stainboy Reinel a message :   I'm walkin out the door right now. Just had to fly the Kuhn freak flag for the road.   2005-03-16 15:33:05
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   Richie, if being safe is considering type with the design and not cramming type into a given space becuase I didn't think about it when I was laying out out the poster... Then I hope I'm safe for the rest of my design/poster career.   2005-03-16 15:32:58
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Outsiders.   2005-03-16 15:30:39
RobSend Rob a message :   oh murphy...i'd crush your head between my shoulder blades and i'd then buy you a beer.   2005-03-16 15:30:32
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   Why the hell is stainboy on a computer and not in a car on his way to austin?   2005-03-16 15:30:27
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   Actually RisingSon my first choice is to please everyone. (Fans, fellow designers, venues, and bands) This can usually be done effectively, if everyone is considered beforehand.   2005-03-16 15:29:56
John ASend John A a message :   Did Stainboy just call me a doucherocket?   2005-03-16 15:29:38
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Dear Mike Barn. You are homogenized and safe. You lack substance.
For the record. I've never seen your work.
  2005-03-16 15:29:30
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Shit.
Perkins, youre absolutely right.
I stand down.
(not being sarcastic)
  2005-03-16 15:27:35
Stainboy ReinelSend Stainboy Reinel a message :   Lindsey's the shit. Great artist, great guy.
I'll say anything to anyone's face. Even 'doucherocket'.
  2005-03-16 15:27:33
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Who the fuck are Taproot?   2005-03-16 15:27:16
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   MikeBarn I think youre actually wrong tho. You DO have to consider the fans.
This cant be all one way. But you should never PANDER to them either. Good way to stagnate the whole thing.
  2005-03-16 15:26:52
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   Richie you're the person going to the TapRoot concert that I was just talking about.   2005-03-16 15:26:42
perkinsSend perkins a message :   I think this poster was done in the early 90's, around the time Lindsey & Frank were laying the foundation for the current poster art explosion with layouts & type treatment just like this. After years of seeing certain fonts and squeezed type on posters, sure it looks a little tired. When this was done though, it was all the rage. This stuff- and Lindsey- played a HUGE role in getting us where we are today.   2005-03-16 15:26:10
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "You are the problem.'
Right. Barns doing some REALLY tight work. But hey, you just keep clingin to the past there guy and hope nothing else comes along to shake up your little idea of what the poster world should be.
  2005-03-16 15:25:32
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Whatever 'Rob'
If I was going to be in Austin I'd challange you (i.e. kick your ass)in a boxing match.
  2005-03-16 15:24:58
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   "philaarts.
Would you rather be accepted by fellow designers or the public?
For me, I'd rather be accepted by someone like Michael A., Dusty, or Robert Lee, not some douchebag going to see a TapRoot concert."
well if i was doing a poster for taproot, foremost i would aim to please the taproot fan, not another artist. see, the posters are for the bands.
anyway, have a good night yall.
  2005-03-16 15:24:21
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   'How can you communicate with an audience that you think you are better than?'- Me, yesterday.   2005-03-16 15:23:57
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I wish I could shoot people over the internet.
Only if it was fair though..like you could totally shoot back.
I discussed my views on people like you yesterday Barn.
You are the problem.
  2005-03-16 15:22:14
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   I think it's nice that people are finally taking notice and commenting on Linseys posters. He is a Rock Poster God.
Suck it up and live with it.
  2005-03-16 15:21:52
RobSend Rob a message :   oh yeah, murphy....say it to my FACE!   2005-03-16 15:21:01
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   On another topic, Ethyl Meatplow were a really good band. Saw em back in Chicago a couple times.   2005-03-16 15:20:59
MikeBarnSend MikeBarn a message :   philaarts.
Would you rather be accepted by fellow designers or the public?
For me, I'd rather be accepted by someone like Michael A., Dusty, or Robert Lee, not some douchebag going to see a TapRoot concert.
  2005-03-16 15:20:19
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   'Rob' is definately a doucherocket   2005-03-16 15:20:18
RobSend Rob a message :   it said "creed".   2005-03-16 15:20:00
John ASend John A a message :   I was going to go to this show, but I just couldn't bring myself to go after I noticed the lazy type treatment. It was so gauche that it left me aghast.   2005-03-16 15:19:58
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   I tend to avoid any concert where the poster features the HOBO font prominently.
Thankfully, it doesnt come up all that much.
  2005-03-16 15:19:09
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   What did the type say?   2005-03-16 15:19:01
RobSend Rob a message :   i decided not to go to a show once b/c of the type on the poster.   2005-03-16 15:18:16
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   edit, that is any of the fans that were going to the show. they probably could have cared less about the type. infact im pretty sure noone stopped and thought about the type at all.   2005-03-16 15:16:52
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   i think anyone that is a fan of these bands could care less about the type. thats just my opinion.
as far as say a graphic design school crit on typography, well.. i didnt go to school for that.
  2005-03-16 15:15:59
RobSend Rob a message :   wankers! all of youz!   2005-03-16 15:15:33
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Some things just 'IS'   2005-03-16 15:14:16
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   SO what yore saying then philaarts.com, is that in this situation, the text is the most effective way to go?
The Venue Info wouldnt be MORE effective by not stretching th shit out of it and its just a faggy design snob issue?
  2005-03-16 15:13:34
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   "You can have heart and follow your gut AND make the elements work together (or at least have them work against each other in an interestign way) without being some pompous design snob. "
I think I pretty much agree with this. Doucherocket or not.
  2005-03-16 15:12:47
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   I'll check back in later to see if John A comes up with anymore new names to call people.
And, Shame on you Lindsey, Your lazy type makes me sad :cry:
  2005-03-16 15:12:28
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   richie gets paid to do design that appeals to the general public. that is the most effective design. not impressing other designers.
the ladybug costume sometimes might make you think he isnt right in the head, but the dude is hellasmart.
  2005-03-16 15:11:20
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Just drop it. I've determined that doucherocket is funny and that you are boring.
Sorry. It's not my nature to be more civil, doucherocket.
  2005-03-16 15:10:50
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   The problem is that Richie seems to have a hard on for reframing problems with the text as Artist V. Designer or Heart/Instinct V. Technique. Naturally, this has gotten turned into yet ANOTHER GigPosters debate with only two, rigid sides.
Try to get what I am saying here:
You can have heart and follow your gut AND make the elements work together (or at least have them work against each other in an interestign way) without being some pompous design snob. THATS what natural artists do all the time.
  2005-03-16 15:09:23
steve wSend steve w a message :   what's a douche?   2005-03-16 15:08:15
bdixSend bdix a message :   I'm still contemplating how one goes about building a doucherocket, and what to charge for a 5 minute ride.   2005-03-16 15:07:31
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   lindsey was in okc that last two selling posters at a rival club called doucherockets. ironic.   2005-03-16 15:06:42
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I don't think I have been arguing? I was just adding to discussion. I also would never trash somebodies work out of spite. Either I like it or I don't Who made it or what I think of them as a person has little to do with my feelings about art or design.
  2005-03-16 15:04:54
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   Richie, me, in all comic sans itallic bold.   2005-03-16 15:03:09
defencedesignSend defencedesign a message :   before you kill each other I want to know what you think of my poster:
http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=25371
  2005-03-16 15:03:08
bdixSend bdix a message :   Did Andy just call Murphy a "huge anal fart"?   2005-03-16 15:02:56
John ASend John A a message :   Did Dustin just call Bobby and Murphy a "couple"?   2005-03-16 15:02:51
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   you are the hot doucherocket topic of the day.
:lol:
  2005-03-16 15:02:36
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Who's doing the annual report for your corporation Andy?   2005-03-16 15:02:14
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   it's a rock poster, not an annual report for some huge corperation.   2005-03-16 15:01:31
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Doucherockets   2005-03-16 15:00:52
bdixSend bdix a message :   Did Andy just call me a "hot topic"?   2005-03-16 15:00:49
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Did you hear John A call Bobby a doucherocket, Andy?   2005-03-16 15:00:46
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   damn this is certainly the hot topic today.   2005-03-16 15:00:15
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   i have a couple of these, i think   2005-03-16 14:59:34
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   No...I think John A did.   2005-03-16 14:58:53
bdixSend bdix a message :   Did Murphy just call me a "doucherocket"?   2005-03-16 14:58:30
John ASend John A a message :   no regrets here, 'cept maybe the cookie comments.   2005-03-16 14:58:10
steve wSend steve w a message :   whew. I need a cigarrette now.   2005-03-16 14:57:22
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   I liked the part when John A got all riled up and called people 'wankers'
'doucherockets' was also funny
  2005-03-16 14:57:18
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I shouldn't have.   2005-03-16 14:56:19
John ASend John A a message :   should have kept my mouth shut.
xxoo
  2005-03-16 14:54:52
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   You can see my stuff at:
http://www.gigposters.com/designers.php?designer=35804
Fell free to rip it to shreds (sort of expecting it now)
I do posters for free to help out my promoter friend. The bands like em, the promoter likes em and I think they work AND I think Im improving all the time, so at the end of the day Im happy.
  2005-03-16 14:53:13
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   You've seen it Fisher.   2005-03-16 14:53:08
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Not what I said. I didn't compare myself to you.
You compared yourself to me. Why, I don't know. All I said was I've seen your work.
I never said I was better than you. I never added myself to the equation.
I'm only an observer.
  2005-03-16 14:52:16
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Have I seen Rising Son's work? Is it on this site?   2005-03-16 14:51:12
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Awesome   2005-03-16 14:50:46
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Exactly. Maybe one day Ill be an artist of your caliber. [looks dramatically to the sunset] .....someday.   2005-03-16 14:50:22
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   jesus. way to muck up the first several pages of recent comments.
dang it all.
  2005-03-16 14:49:40
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I've seen your work. Says more to me than anything you've ever said.   2005-03-16 14:48:54
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Riiiight Richie. That must be it. I just dont understand the DIY aesthetic either.
IN FACT. I was born the day I started posting here. My entire history, my entire LIFE even is only 6 months old. I havent done or created anything except for whats on this site here. This is the sum of my entire being.
See, its easy for you to create a character in your head, pretend its me, and throw stones at it. Go right ahead. You dont know anything about me except fro what youve gleaned from this narrow part of my life.
And since YOURE always here, and Im not, that makes it an even MORE narrow part of my life.
But you go on with your sumg sense of self-satisfaction pal. That and your contrarian schtick (which is getting kind of old) shoudl do ya just fine.
  2005-03-16 14:47:56
steve wSend steve w a message :   there seems to be some of those on both sides of the fence.   2005-03-16 14:47:39
scott campbellSend scott campbell a message :   steve w, that wasn't directed at you personally, just at people who can't except that some have different opinions.   2005-03-16 14:46:29
KurtSend Kurt a message :   Michael Apparatus is classy.   2005-03-16 14:45:47
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I haven't even been talking about this poster.   2005-03-16 14:44:25
scott campbellSend scott campbell a message :   i'm over it   2005-03-16 14:44:19
steve wSend steve w a message :   "get the fuck over it" done, scott   2005-03-16 14:43:36
bdixSend bdix a message :   Here's my opinion.... . . . . she's passed out because there is no blood on the knife.   2005-03-16 14:43:18
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   See. You'll never get it and you can't even wrap your head around what I'm attempting to communicate to you.
At least some people will. Not all is lost.
  2005-03-16 14:42:09
JephSend Jeph a message :   I like balogna   2005-03-16 14:41:53
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Oh jesus.   2005-03-16 14:40:53
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I call everyone names. I have special dispensation...which I granted myself.   2005-03-16 14:40:25
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I'd be willing to bet this was not even really drawn by Lindsey. He likely collaged a few illos and redrew them. So it's like kind of a collage and kind of an illo. He does that alot.   2005-03-16 14:39:54
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Hey Michael...
I see. You know, I kinda feel like you and I are having a conversation during mid-tip on a TILT-A-WHIRL... :o
  2005-03-16 14:39:45
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Actually it means the sum of the parts is less than the sum of the whole.
Next question? Do you know what the parts are?
Are you familiar with the fourth dimension?
  2005-03-16 14:39:32
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Jermaine, youre absolutely right. I just got all worked up becase RG started calling names with the whole "fucktard" thing   2005-03-16 14:39:10
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Right. I'm sure as hell not trying to tell anyone what to do or how to work. Just what I think about this poster. That is all.   2005-03-16 14:38:56
bdixSend bdix a message :   is she dead, or just passed out?   2005-03-16 14:38:52
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   i always like when Michael Apparatus says his peace. he is respectful and not talking down like he is better. he just states his opinion.
  2005-03-16 14:38:36
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "So what's gestalt mean?"
Well to you it apparently means blind devotion to a nostalgic view of an era.
  2005-03-16 14:38:06
scott campbellSend scott campbell a message :   "infallible? no. deserving of more respect? yup."
where was he disrespected? some people don't like the type. get the fuck over it
  2005-03-16 14:38:06
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Oh, I agree with all that. I'm just stating my opinion - my reaction to this poster.
I'm sure it was successful on that level.
However, I have no emotional/nostalgic connection to this poster and to me it's just a great illustration with bad type tacked on.
  2005-03-16 14:37:17
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Hey RISING SON...
You sound like a pretty intellectual fella. I appreciate yr argument...and as I have some free time watching my daughter while her momma naps, I welcome the debate.
But when you start pulling out 'cunt' and that type of stuff...man, you just destroy your whole 'intellectual' base.
Like, is that necessary? Argue yr point like a MAN.
  2005-03-16 14:37:01
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I like Manowar.
So what's gestalt mean?
  2005-03-16 14:36:23
steve wSend steve w a message :   infallible? no. deserving of more respect? yup.   2005-03-16 14:36:16
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Thank you Meeloo, thats what I was trying to say all along.
If its worth doing, its worth doing right. You are designing an entire piece, not just showcasing an illustration.
  2005-03-16 14:36:13
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   "as Michael A said, the type should be treated with as much care as the rest of the imagery ."
prehaps it was.
the best thing is, you all can make a poster the way YOU want it. and knowing lindsey, he probably wont care about this whole "crit"
  2005-03-16 14:35:43
scott campbellSend scott campbell a message :   you guys are talking about lindsey like deadheads talk about Jerry, or catholics talk about the pope. infallible he ain't   2005-03-16 14:35:12
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "It is an art school term. Rising Son had to go look it up. That's why he's been so quiet. "
Quiet, you dumb cunt?
Look below. My last post was 4 minutes ago.
You can eat my ass with your design school bullshit. Didnt go. Didnt need to.
Noticed you didnt respond to my remark about whackin it to Manowar covers. Does that mean youre oiling up and poppin in your copy of Beastmaster?
  2005-03-16 14:34:45
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   I like the illustration... but the text on the right is distroted in photoshop... and this hurt my eyes... to have a more powerfull poster, as Michael A said, the type should be treated with as much care as the rest of the imagery . Otherwise it looks added on in the end and cheapens the whole thing.   2005-03-16 14:33:00
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   This poster has been on the site for 4 years now and you're just now getting to a 50 comment argument about it?
You guys let me down.
  2005-03-16 14:32:52
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   All Im saying is this: I agree with designers like Chantry and Bass that have said that design is a 'language'. Its a way to relay info to a certain crowd of people. Now, this type was not aimed at folks who are 'educated designers': it was aimed at punk rock kids...who could care less in most cases about the kerning or the font, or whatever. In fact, it was an effective LANGUAGE Lindsey spoke in here: it HIT it's mark. This is evidenced by the fact that: -the poster is sought after/collected -this poster is one of many that have used this same style of type-treatment. Lindsey takes a lot of the same treatment that Kozik used early on. So did a lot of us, at some point in our careers. So the language 'WORKS'. Its been COPIED. Even if it's 'wrong'. Now, from what Ive heard, the unltimate goal in design is accessing the viewer...moving them to action. So, if this treatment DID that...sold tickets to the show...and was EMBRACED by a segement of the culture...how can it be BAD DESIGN? It WORKED. The communication was successful.
Thats like hearing someone speaking in fluent Spanish and critting them for using poor English.
  2005-03-16 14:32:22
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   It is an art school term. Rising Son had to go look it up. That's why he's been so quiet.
I wanted to show him that I wasn't a tard like he is.
  2005-03-16 14:32:00
bdixSend bdix a message :   "gestalt" sounds like an art school term.   2005-03-16 14:30:57
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Well considering I know lindsey very well I would venture to guess that he didn't lazily do anything. And it almost surely was done from the gut. he doesn't do shit any other way. Just for one second imagine that he actually wanted the text to look exactly as it does.   2005-03-16 14:30:40
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   This is what Lindsey's gut told him to do at the time and that's what he did. He didn't overthink it, he just did it.
And that's why it's right.
  2005-03-16 14:29:50
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Working from the gut is great. And I can see that in the illustration. Not in the type.   2005-03-16 14:28:48
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Problem is, the text isnt a FROM THE GUT example of DIY. Its simply lazily placed text.   2005-03-16 14:28:37
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Fisher gets it.   2005-03-16 14:28:15
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Pamphlet, brochure...whatever you want.
Hop to it.
Menu...don't you have a menu to do?
  2005-03-16 14:27:45
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Considering niehter Lindsey nor Richie is an "illustrator" the whole Illustrator-vs- designer thing doesn't apply.
Richie is talking about working from the gut -vs- working from a design book argument. If I understand him correctly.
  2005-03-16 14:26:32
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   We don't do designer vs. illustrator anymore.
This is biggger.
This is the who what when where how. This is the gestalt. All you can see is a piece of paper with symbols placed on it in a way that is not pleasing to the way your brain has been formatted.
  2005-03-16 14:26:20
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   "The type appears to be an after thought. Like, it wasn't part of the composition and just pasted on at the end. It's distracting because it has the same visual weight as the illustration which sort of flattens the whole thing out.
Just my two cents of art school bullshit."
see, i dig this. he isnt saying how it should be, just his opinion. unlike the barn guy.
respect.
  2005-03-16 14:25:30
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Jeezus you guys. I am just discussing my opinion the the type on this poster.
To me type should be treated with as much care as the rest of the imagery on the poster. Otherwise it looks added on in the end and cheapens the whole thing.
  2005-03-16 14:25:29
DrueBarnSend DrueBarn a message :   I have no doubt that Lindsey Kuhn is the real deal, a pioneer, etc.
What I am saying, as a "designery type," and "wanker" is that the type in this poster does not appeal to me, and does not fit the feel of the illustration. My opinion. I get it; I just don't like it. I know you don't care what I think, so this whole thing is pointless to argue about.
I have to go design a pamphlet.
  2005-03-16 14:24:44
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "You're wrong fucktard. Go make a pamphlet."
And go jerk of to some Swede Death Metal Album covers. I hear if you stroke your taint 3 times while whackin it to a Manowar cover, the spirit of Odin overtakes you balls.
And Im not apologizing for being mutli-talented thanks. Ive designed a little bit of everything in my career and Im not gonna hide that.
Fuck your out-moded notions.
  2005-03-16 14:24:39
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   I'm not sure what you're asking, Jermaine.   2005-03-16 14:23:54
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   punk normally wont find its way into design annuals.   2005-03-16 14:22:37
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   MICHAEL APPARATUS: Do you agree that design and the majority of its elements is a 'language' of sorts?   2005-03-16 14:22:26
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I think he called Lindsey a wanker.   2005-03-16 14:22:18
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   "The thing that a lot of you designery types will never understand is that the guy who made this poster (again from soup to nuts) is the most authentic, DIY, genuine cool motherfuckers to ever walk the earth. "
Noones disputing that. But that has nothing to do with that being a text treatment that brings down the whole piece.
You can have you little played out Designer vs Illustrator bullshit argument all day long and pump up your feelings of self-satisfaction. Dont give a shit. That text treatment sucks and it has a detrimental effect on the piece.
The irony of your ridiculous argument is that YOU think I should take into consideration what a great guy this artist is supposed to be when jusdging this piece WHILE AT THE SAME TIME imagining some stereotype of who IM supposed to be and responding to that.
  2005-03-16 14:22:18
bdixSend bdix a message :   Did John just call me a "wanker"?   2005-03-16 14:21:40
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I don't actually know what epherma means Jermaine. I heard Art say it somewhere.   2005-03-16 14:21:20
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   'And your "purity" is based on a narrow opinion of what a poster designer is supposed to be. Sorry, I dont think's its actually up to you to define that. '
You're wrong fucktard. Go make a pamphlet.
  2005-03-16 14:20:26
Engine HouseSend Engine House a message :   John A speaks the TRUTH!   2005-03-16 14:20:13
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   RICHIE... Epherema, you say? No lasting value, eh?
Heh...oh well. It paid while I was above ground, baby...
  2005-03-16 14:20:10
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   The type appears to be an after thought. Like, it wasn't part of the composition and just pasted on at the end. It's distracting because it has the same visual weight as the illustration which sort of flattens the whole thing out.
Just my two cents of art school bullshit.
  2005-03-16 14:19:30
John ASend John A a message :   The thing that a lot of you designery types will never understand is that the guy who made this poster (again from soup to nuts) is the most authentic, DIY, genuine cool motherfuckers to ever walk the earth.
wankers.
  2005-03-16 14:18:11
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Don't worry about it Jermaine. You make 'Rock Epherma.'   2005-03-16 14:16:43
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Cool, John A. I wonder if I make 'REAL' rock posters? I aint ever really thought about it ...   2005-03-16 14:16:07
John ASend John A a message :   Definitely. I bought it the first four times, right? Why break a trend?   2005-03-16 14:14:37
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Who would say something like that about one of your posters Jermaine?   2005-03-16 14:14:22
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   OKAY...MICHAEL APPARATUS...
WHAT IS 'WRONG' WITH THE TEXT?
  2005-03-16 14:13:56
steve wSend steve w a message :   The way I heard it, Lindsey first suggested to Frank that he try screenprinting.   2005-03-16 14:13:29
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   YO JOHN A: You want to pick up some stuff tomorrow, too? I got this trippy EMO'S SxSW poster that Ive made like 5 times.   2005-03-16 14:13:07
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   I think it's a fine poster. They type is distracting in that it gets in the way of the nice illustration.   2005-03-16 14:12:32
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   And your "purity" is based on a narrow opinion of what a poster designer is supposed to be. Sorry, I dont think's its actually up to you to define that.
You can strawman people all day with comparisons to some pretentious designer charicature all you want.
Just like I could charicature you as a gearhead contrarian too in love with a bullshit scene mythology to see around it.
  2005-03-16 14:12:05
John ASend John A a message :   J- I'll bring your cookies by tommorrow AM, you leaving tommorrow or Friday?
Ain't nothing wrong with this poster, 100% hand made from soup to nuts.
  2005-03-16 14:11:31
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   JOHN A! WHERE ARE MY COOKIES? :o
AGAIN, WHATS WRONG WITH THE TYPE ON THIS POSTER?!
  2005-03-16 14:11:20
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Because people like you have no business here. Go make a pamphlet or some shit.   2005-03-16 14:11:19
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   This is the real fucking deal.
Your petty critiques do not apply.
You'll never understand why.
  2005-03-16 14:10:36
DrueBarnSend DrueBarn a message :   Pure rubbish.
Its just my opinion. You disagree. Fine.
Why are you taking it so personally?
  2005-03-16 14:09:03
andydieselSend andydiesel a message :   fucking idiot pretensious designers.   2005-03-16 14:08:55
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   John A: Where are my Girl Scout cookies?
BTW, whats wrong with the text on this poster?
  2005-03-16 14:08:52
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Funny. Never went to design school. Im self taught by living with media around me all the time, as are most people. Thats the world were in.
Will a shitty text treatment dissuade peeps from goin to this show? Of course not. But then whats the point of doing any of the stuff we do.
And if this was all about what most people notice right off the bat, there'd hardly be reason for most of these posters to exist at all.
Its not all mercenary
  2005-03-16 14:08:08
John ASend John A a message :   You "design school typography critiques" are basically just cunts and should go fuck yourself. Kern this you doucherockets.   2005-03-16 14:07:51
steve wSend steve w a message :   Fisher's right.   2005-03-16 14:06:32
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   It's pure. Something you'll never be.   2005-03-16 14:06:18
DrueBarnSend DrueBarn a message :   Uneducated rock art type. Riiiight.
I agree with RisingSon™. This type is just horrible. The whole poster really isn't that good. Its just a stolen image with crappy typography. Oh wow.
  2005-03-16 14:05:27
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Lindsey Kuhn should be off limits from any negative crit. The dude is a legand.
Just my opinion.
  2005-03-16 14:04:52
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Yeah. Exactly.
Only a designer sees that. Most people don't care. It's not important.
Your design school typography critiques do not apply here.
  2005-03-16 14:04:14
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Fair enough, but this isnt handmade type. This is computer placed Jurrasic crap-type.   2005-03-16 13:58:20
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Different context.   2005-03-16 13:53:41
DecabetSend Decabet a message :   Fuck that. The first rock posters werent Xeroxes, they were made by pros and made well.
Go look at some of the great rock posters from the mid 50s. The text on those KILLS!
  2005-03-16 13:52:23
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   It could but that's not the point.
That's not a 'type treatment'
It's uneduccated rock art type and thus perfect.
  2005-03-16 13:49:45
DrueBarnSend DrueBarn a message :   Could that type treatment be any worse?
Nice tangents.
  2005-03-16 13:48:29
seripopSend seripop a message :   what a sweeeeet line up!   2005-03-01 16:24:16
8ballSend 8ball a message :   heh heh..John Napier = "Little Wee Wee"!   2003-09-12 03:31:36
Mr FrumpySend Mr Frumpy a message :   Khun, ...man I like this.The guy with the knife is holding his hand perfectly to flick a yo-yo. :lol: Need Cawfee...   2002-05-19 05:41:16
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