The only problem I have with this (assuming its legit) is that the Tri Color look wasnt part of The Polices look in 79.
Its from "Synchronicity" which was 4 years later.
Forgive me if someone already made this point, but this thread is like WAR AND PEACE right now and I havent time to read it.
It might sucks for artists who get a hard time over stuff like this, especially if it's "legit." One good thing that comes of it, however, is that we tend to visibly police ourselves, and maybe that goes a long way in keeping these bands' managements from bringing litigation against us in mass quantities.
It shows we have standards as a community anyway.
i guess i was the one who chose to comment on this particular poster. to be honest, this is the first i recognized from that series. what are the others? why don't we call them up and then the comments will drift to the others and pete won't seem to be singled out?
and, also, i was was the one who referred to this as a "stone bootleg". and, unfortunately, i did so before i knew who did it or where it came from. i was calling it a bootleg, because in my first glance i recognized it as such immediately. see the danger? unless anybody out there sees it with the knowledge that it was a cardoso (who otherwise has integrity) and was for that series specifically (and outside of this thread and the people who put on the exhibit, there are precious few who know what this thing is), then it is nothing else but a bootleg. and that hurts all of us on this site. to anybody outside of this little discussion, it looks like an honored member of this fraternity is a bootlegger.
now we know he's not, and now we know the situation, but when i first saw this i didn't know anything about it. i just saw an obvious bootleg.
see the problem?
Rob- Myself, I'm just in the mood for posting. I would have made the same comment on the other comms if they were being talked about. I don't think anyone is slagging Pete, we appreciate his work and I for one like this poster. But the issue of comm(artprint)/gigposter should be discussed, I think its important. My apologies to Pete for this poster being the launchpad.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply people were attacking Pete (although being called a bootlegger isn't exactly a compliment). I meant that other posters from this same series were posted here, recognized as commerative posters, complimented, and then passed on. I thought it was odd that Pete's poster became a small lightening rod for this issue of the appropriateness of commerative posters. I assume this happened because either
A. As a Police poster, opposed to an Elvis Costello or Radiohead poster, this is obviously commerative because the band is so long dead thus attracting more of the crowd against inclusion of CP's on this site.
B) Art commented on it, and his observations on a poster can usually attract more comments on it pro or contra his stance.
If I was in Pete's place I would wonder why this ire against CP's wasn't raised by Tara's Elvis poster or Darren's Radiohead poster from the same series. I guess in the end, my post was a call for consistancy.
he did some record covers for uk "garage" bands like Earls of Suave, Johnson Family, Tall Boys, Escalators in the 80's (mostly people who played with Billy Childish)... he did some really great things.... with patterns & B&W photos.... nice font using....
sometimes his work make me think of yours... but in a different style.... more clean... i was just wondering if he was reconized for his work....
Zelig, man. I read thru this and didn't see one comment attacking Pete. I think all is cool in that dept.
as for the other artwork in the show, here are some pics for those of you interested (probably cut and paste this):
... yes sure, I understand.... i was not defending Pete....(but he's doing great posters anyway).... i was just pissed to see 87 % of the incomming posters.... witch are really bad exemples for the next generations.... I hate Photoshop junkies !
I have been approached numerous times to do fake posters. I never do. I HAVE don 'commemmorative' art silkscreens..like the one I did for Hendrix..but it was more of a 'portrait' and it was licensed from the estate and was not presented as a poster for an event.
it's nice of you to defend pete. i would do so as well, i think he's great. but it's this POSYTER that's taking the heat, not pete.
there was also that blondie poster that was part of that series. did anybody spot any others?
i just think that this should be discussed on the site, instead of ignored or ignorantly applauded. yes, it is a nicely designed poster. but that's not at all the point of the objection. understand?
i wish more posters looked like this, but it's not a poster. (figure that out, yet?)
this is NOT a poster, it's a piece of gallery art that is supposed to LOOK like a poster.
I guess because it's for the Police and obviously a commerative poster, this has caught the most wind on the shitstorm over this issuw. However, if I was Pete, I would be pissed wondering why I was selected to catch so much shit over this thing when other posters from this series practically walked away scott free and with compliments to boot.
Personally, I hate Cardoso because he got to do a legit Police poster (or art print posing as a poster) that's rather purty. I must say that this moron would buy it if it wasn't already sold out. The few Police concert posters I've seen in my life are pure 80's corporate shit that are one up from a photo of the album with text in a black box at the bottom. It's nice to see them get a cool poster, even if it's after the fact.
Good work, Pete.
i guess its clays call. just alot of posters were made and are on the site currently, and it seemed pete was taking the brunt...
as for commemoratives hurting the industry? if done legit-it has been very sucessful for all parties... many commemoratives done by very established artists and bands... and many 2nd edition prints done down the road.
right wrong? well, if done with the proper parties legit... its really just a business decision by all parties... and everyone does different business deals to suit them best.. you know?
again, for this site, clays call.
SHUT UP DAVE!!
I was asked to make something for the Paradise show as well, but I declined. I'm not into making commemorative posters, yet I don't necessarily condemn others for doing so. But I do agree with Art that they are more like art prints, and there place on this site is questionable to say the least. Clay, what say you on this issue? Are you comfortable with having purely commemorative, after-the-fact posters on this site?
here's something that happened to me yesterday. a designer callled and wanted me to print a commemorative poster. i said i wasn't really into printing it and i'm busy anyway. i asked why not do something for an upcoming show? he replied "why does it matter, i see stuff like that on gigposters.com all the time."
I myself wasn't thrilled with the idea of this show. However, lots of nice artwork was produced by a solid group of artists. I think "commemorative" anything is pretty bad, though... so maybe I'm not the fella to ask.... Oh, wait. No one asked me....
It is definitely a hazy area when it comes to this particular website. It is a new (ish) and legitimate issue that probably needs addressing at some point. It undermines the original "archive" aspect of this site. My impression is that this website was not intended to be an artist portfolio website. It's about ads for rock shows.
yes, absolutley pete is a nice guy. a great talent, too. i admire his work. nobody is accusing him of anything (except not thinking this thing through very carefully,maybe).
i think the question that poster presents here is a legit question all of us have to ask ourselves. if we don't do it, we could end up looking rather foolish eventually. as long as we can discuss this stuff, it's stays a good thing.
the fact that pete is such a good guy and well-established name here makes this question all the more imperative.
again, the question. if this is a gallery art print carefully created to look like a real poster, should it rightfully be posted here on gigposers?
this is no reflection on pete at all. just a fair question many of us would like to see discussed.
my 2 cents... alot of other people did this venue gig too...
just like, pete hardly even comes here... plenty of others you can trash too..
right or wrong? i didnt do the paperwork etc... i dont know..
pete is a nice guy...
well, let's assume that everything is on the up-and-up with all aspects of this. permissions were granted, none were sold illegally, it won't damage your integrity or portfolio, it has no bad reflection on this developing scene, etc. etc. etc.
even if all you say is true, this isn't a poster. it's an art print. it's a piece of gallery art that is supposed to look just like a poster.
so, should it be here on gigposters?
i think that is an entirely fair question that ought to be discussed.
personally, i'm not into this commemorative poster thing that the paradise put on. i think if there had been a show with hundreds of "original" rock posters from the various eras, it would have been pretty incredible and i would have gone nuts for it. i'd rather see the history on the walls.
if someone made 100 t-shirts with a particular band's name on it and sold them without permission, they'd be selling bootleg shirts. i don't understand how posters can escape that same notion.
i don't know how the paradise managed to get all of these bands to sign-off on allowing their names to be used on merch that the bands get no cut of. i doubt many bands would go for it.
i just assume that they didn't get permission, and the concerns that people on here have brought up seem pretty legitimate. if i'm wrong and the venue did happen to get 100 or so bands to sign off on these things, then whatever.
if a bands takes notice of artists using the recognition of a band's name to make money or advance the artist's careers without serving the purpose of truly promoting the band, i think they have a very legitmate reason to be upset and probably have legal recourse as well.
that said, pete's made many legitimate rock posters for some rather well-known bands. i don't know that it wil make a difference to his career if he tosses this police poster in his portfolio.
And if you want to know why, I chosse to do these colors etc... research the interviews I did and you will get it.What moron is going to buy this? Oh about enough Morons to sell out the whole edition. Have a nice day Rich.
OK here we go again, I hate having to explain myself, yet I will. Yes this was a ligit poster show, over 100 artists were chosen to do a poster of a band that Played this club because it was it's 25th annaversary. Yes it was legit, yes it was in a gallery, YES contracts were signed and all approprite things were handled by a big time manager in the music industry that happens to also do up art shows. This was a huge succsess coverd by all the big papers including the Globe and this has done nothing to hurt my reputation, if you knew the back round of what this was for then you would understand. This is not a bootleg thing I'm tring to make quick money from, it was a legit thing all around period. Also did a Tom Petty for this show and if you look around there are otheres that did great work for this show as well. So thats that. You can take it from there.
i hope i'm right on this (cause i registered just to make this comment).....
but in addition to being inappropriate for GP.com, doesn't this poster use the Synchronicity color scheme? That's an album that came out in 1983 being used to advertise a gig in 1979. What moron is going to buy this?
These make me feel really ill. You let these in and pretty soon everyone who can make a .jpg is "making posters" and everyone making posters has a diminished reputation. I'm a new weekend warrior but already the secondary market thing makes me feel like a scoundrel. Poster artists are going to stop looking like artists/designers and start looking like opportunistic confidence men. This isn't a gig poster...this is a pop art print, a reflection of a poster...design done in "poster style". As Lichenstien is to cartooning. Filter it as a community or you're going to get bit by it.
in a few years, this thing will pop up for sale somewhere, and it's going to hurt cardoso's reputation and credibility if it's such an obvious fake. who's going to trust anything he did is authentic if this is sittng there with his name on it?
bad all around.
I don't know anything about the dispersal of said posters. I'm not into the whole scene. I did one for EF, and that's all I was interested in.
To many good shows out there yet to happen that need promotions.
So this is part of a legit commemorative show.
Whats the criteria for defining a poster as a comm. gigposter?
What's to stop someone from just making something up and telling everyone "This is on display at the Flugle Gallery show of Rock and Roll art"; when there is no way of checking if the poster is valid.
I am sure there are a fair number of "fake" posters up already so i guess its just part of the game here at GP.
BTW I am not including this here police poster..i apologize to the designer; this just came up in this comment section...
bottom ine is that this is a stone bootleg (by anybody's definition of a bootleg). be sure it doesn't get wide dispersal. if enough of this sort of thing starts to show up in gp world, it's gonna be bad all around.
i know there is already a lot of this sort of thing around,but this is so blatant. this is the sort of thing that can really piss off authorities of all kinds. esepcicially record company and management-type authorities.
just be careful.