Thanks for all of the dialogue about the poster. I had to bang this one out quickly before I went to work, so the photoshop work is a little iffy. I've heard of Estrus Records, but I haven't seen their posters. Do they have a lot of racing stuff? I'm a New York City jewboy; so my Nascar knowledge is a little weak. I'd love to know what you guys think of my other stuff. I'm just getting started.
I have said it before and I will say it another hundred times I'm sure.
Spicy Rizzaks is the best band name ever.
And the fact it was designed by Bootsy Rizakk makes it all the better. One day I want to do a poster for these guys.
kurt - yeah, i still get hired to do an occaisional poster. nowhere near what i was getting when i lived in hipster seattle. mostly out here in nowheresville, i get other kinds of poster jobs, but i still get an occaional commission to do a gigposter. one of the big problems for me is that i can't get affordable screenprinting locally, so i can't really get a gigposter printed. most of the gigposters in st. louis are like computer prints. that's sort of it, and i don't do those things. i don't really think of them as real posters, even though they actually ARE real posters. i just can't get my head around them.
anyway, i guess the only place you can see more recent stuff of mine is in gallery shows (like that moma show) and in like the print annual (which i still enter). i don't have a usuable digital camera to photograph stuff for giigposter, so i can't really post any work from over the past few years. also, i could literally put hundreds and hundreds of gigposters on gp, but it's such a hassle. all i've got are 35mm slides, and i have to scan each one and balance and prep for gp and it's a pain in the ass.
I don't think this is anything like your stuff, Art, but there is plenty coming out that is definitely influened by you. I know I do it unintentionally. My girlfriend will look at something and say, that looks just like that "insert band" poster that you have hanging in the living room. And I'm all like, 'crap! it is isn't it.
As far as this poster goes, I just think that it collaged with too many conflicting elemets... photo real with graphics... clean and distressed type. Colors out the wazoo...
Ok. off to the salt mines. good weekend everyone.
what am i doing now? well, there's no plan. i'm just into what i'm into and it gets into my work. i'm just trying to hustle enough work to survive just like everybody else here. right now, if i don't somehow come up with some fast cash, the house is in jeopardy. so, i'm just like you guys.
in other words, i have to back and look at what i've done over the past years to tell you what i'm into. need to get an overview to articulate my personal trends...
hey, i'm accusing any body of ripping me off! i never said that and i don't think it. this style existed in the culture decades before i started working with it.
on the other hand, i disagree that this is lousy looking. i think that it's actually a pretty great poster, and reminds me of the kind of poster that racing culture and other redneck styles look today. it might be unintentional though, because the redneck look is based on amatuerism.
Art, what are you doing now? This is a serious question....you always talk about these innovative things you did, but what are you doing now, as in what's the next thing you hope to do, expand on, imagine...I guess what I'm saying is I would rather see you looking forward then looking backward, something I myself am guilty of....
But, dude, the viagra ar is in there! That means boners....
Personally, I don't minde the ressurgene of the Estrus aesthetic and the ripping of off Art and others. It's the crappy execution, poor olor theory and reliance on photoshop that irks me.
i understand your comment art... i just think rob "fit the bill" to then get money pumped into his musical promotion... his songs with the images took off... he was like at the right place at the right time...
he is a very good schmoozer... fuck he ended up doing a b movie.. almost everyones dream..
heck, the whole monster thing, he seemed to use it the best to his advantage... millions bought into it...
Really what I think is funny about this poster is how it's attempting this "high octane rock and roll" thing over indy and nascar imagery, which is pretty damn radio-friendly country in real life. Nascar and "a race to the death" go pretty stupid together.
Rob was apparently one of those classic examples of a guy who "goes Hollywood", except I think he did it before he even got terribly well-known. He just blew off just about every friend he had - even his family to some degree - moved west and changed his name/look/everything. He reached a point a few years ago where he realized that he had no real friends left so I think he started acting a little nicer.
I know this useless gossip because we're from the same town. The only other local celebrity gossip we had was about John Greenleaf Whittier, and you know. That shit's all played out in the tabloids.
well, yeah, that's a sad fact. along with the white stripes and the vines and all of the new york garage scene. it finally took new york to discover 'garage rock' to make it economically viable and then the money rolled in. nobody else ever cashed in. new york was never part of that particular scene - but virtually the rest of the planet was.
so, that's the way it always works. and that's what cracks me up and that's what my remark was about.
my comment really refers to the fact that we were doing this look at estrus 15 years ago. and it wasn't just us, oodles of folks were doing the hotrod/monster thing in spades. zombie came along with this "graphic style" much after everybody else. granted the band white zombie was into this a long time ago, but this particluar look attributed to him came along way after the fact that the whole garage rock scene all over the world had pounded it into the ground to the point that we weren't even using it any more.
that's what cracks me up...
cracks me up. "very rob zombie". that's a good one. speaks volumes about how this stuff works...
here's a funny rob zombie story:
a few years back when zombie was starting his label, he was trying to get every band with a "monster" shtick to put a song on a compilation record. he contacted estrus about a few of their bands (most said, "no way"), but he was particularly interested in a band called 'famous monsters" which had "monster chick shtick". it created a bit of a laugh because sean (the bassist from white zombie) was actually the one who started the band and played lead guitar in it. zombie didn't even know his own bandmate was in the band!
rock star myopia. if they don't notice it, it doesn't exist.