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DESIGNER:
Delicious  
VENUE:
The Empty Bottle
Chicago
IL
USA
 
SUBMITTED BY:
Delicious  
2003-06-20 09:43:06
 
BANDS:
Gossip, The
Antelope
Cougars



Gossip Poster - The Empty Bottle, Chicago - Delicious



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deadmeatSend deadmeat a message :   the best, wish i still had this!   2011-01-10 01:02:21
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   still one of my favorites.   2008-09-12 17:48:48
Davida_LocaSend Davida_Loca a message :   Classic! The KKK would love this I'm sure.   2008-07-07 20:44:00
john seaburySend john seabury a message :   Mammy!   2007-07-01 00:26:02
ImJustRickGSend ImJustRickG a message :   Not only does this have a TON of comments, they're also more interesting than the usual "Nice One" kind.
Hmmm.
  2007-06-30 23:58:59
Zach HobbsSend Zach Hobbs a message :   this is an awesome poster Billy.   2007-06-30 22:27:25
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   an old favorite.   2006-08-22 09:52:00
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Same here.   2005-08-20 01:44:18
JGexSend JGex a message :   Own it. Love it.   2005-08-19 20:54:43
JephSend Jeph a message :   I still like this poster, as offensive as some may feel that it is. It's just very well done.
My 2 cents.
  2005-08-19 19:42:15
slidingpastSend slidingpast a message :   i think i get it. it was for a show at the EMPTY BOTTLE.   2005-08-19 19:07:46
John ASend John A a message :   Randomizzler is timely as always.   2005-08-19 18:32:45
ShinyBlueRobotSend ShinyBlueRobot a message :   Dunno how I missed this one either... I think this is great.   2005-01-14 09:57:17
zelootSend zeloot a message :   ha..i missed this one...as well as the discussion that it generated...whatever; this is great!   2005-01-14 03:33:07
RIKISend RIKI a message :   :o :o :o wow :o :o :o amazing, i give this a 10 all around. Including use of imagery in relation with the band. "The Gossip", look 236 comments, you suckers all bought into it.
ZING!
Imagine the ordinary non-poster connoisseurs that walked by and saw this, im sure they had some shit to say about it. Way to make a fucking amazing poster!
  2004-09-08 11:06:03
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   besides, one friend is super afrocentric and the other just doesn't get art very much.   2004-02-26 12:18:09
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   nah man, I love it, it's gonna go up on the wall whenever I can scrape some money together for wood to build frames.   2004-02-26 12:17:25
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   sorry Andy. Back under the bed she goes I guess.   2004-02-26 12:15:52
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   I bought this and brought this out with me directly afterwards..two of my black friends were with me...one took a look and raised his eyebrows, the other got pissed. I tried to explain it, but they weren't too impressed.   2004-02-26 11:55:54
slaterSend slater a message :   bamboozled.
I think this is effective, and executed well.
  2004-02-26 11:46:39
sanmiguelSend sanmiguel a message :   cut to your own... randomizer :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o   2004-02-26 10:42:47
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   fuck, I forgot how many comments this thing had on it.   2004-02-12 21:27:07
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Pigs in a blanket- Best of both worlds   2004-02-03 14:41:12
Barry ObamaSend Barry Obama a message :   or maybe laid out lokie a log.
a pancake log.
  2004-02-03 14:39:46
harpuas420Send harpuas420 a message :   fuck now i'm hungry for breakfast   2004-02-03 14:38:03
Barry ObamaSend Barry Obama a message :   silver dollar size buttermilk panckes interleaved with crisp bacon. a stack 2 feet tall.   2004-02-03 14:36:51
bdixSend bdix a message :   Yup! with tons of butter, folded in half, no forks or knives.   2004-02-03 14:35:30
harpuas420Send harpuas420 a message :   with some mrs butterworth?   2004-02-03 14:33:30
bdixSend bdix a message :   I think I'll have some waffles when I get home.   2004-02-03 14:31:05
harpuas420Send harpuas420 a message :   oh uh yeah right oops   2004-02-03 14:29:54
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   I don't think I can condone both "whitey" and "power" being used in one comment.. :)   2004-02-03 14:28:36
sanmiguelSend sanmiguel a message :   that looks pretty nice.... in my kitchen :D   2004-02-03 14:18:42
harpuas420Send harpuas420 a message :   fight the power whitey you can like what ever you want to like   2004-02-03 14:07:57
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   awwww...but whitey, he likes this poster.. and pancakes.. :(   2004-02-03 14:02:33
perkinsSend perkins a message :   People named "Whitey" are not allowed to comment on this one. :wink:   2004-02-03 14:01:05
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   agreed..   2004-02-03 13:59:28
harpuas420Send harpuas420 a message :   still one of the best   2004-02-03 11:35:58
ShawnySend Shawny a message :   ummm..make that piece of design.   2003-12-05 08:06:24
ShawnySend Shawny a message :   Despite the baggage that comes with this one (aka 212 comments, explaining intent, etc...), it is seriously a fine, fine, fine peace of design. I really dig the 'cut to your own conclusions' element.   2003-12-05 07:59:24
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   I saw Chloe's copy before it was on her wall.
It does look mighty fine.
  2003-09-16 16:54:06
seripopSend seripop a message :   i got this on my wall it's hottttttt (so is beth)   2003-09-16 16:53:00
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   209 comments. Thats a lot of comments.   2003-09-08 13:05:45
Darren GrealishSend Darren Grealish a message :   Fastest. Sorry. :roll:   2003-07-09 17:47:46
Darren GrealishSend Darren Grealish a message :   the fasted I ever went in anything was 140 in a 1965 E-Type Jaguar. The cars on our side of the freeway looked like they were going in the opposite direction! Very scary. Just one patch of oil and.......... :o :( :) :D   2003-07-09 17:45:41
piemelSend piemel a message :   do we have an image of the jim/lemmy poster?   2003-07-09 17:43:50
kozikSend kozik a message :   pretty good luck. i've only gotten popped once, outside of LA....
like 4 years ago?
112 mph.
in a rented van.
  2003-07-09 17:42:16
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Yes Jim did. Hysterical poster though.   2003-07-09 17:41:34
kozikSend kozik a message :   I took it out and replace it with a bearinged throttle.   2003-07-09 17:41:23
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   130? How did the flux capacitator hold up?   2003-07-09 17:40:51
piemelSend piemel a message :   will you update us when you get your first ticket in that nissan?   2003-07-09 17:40:40
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   Didn't Jim piss off Lemmy pretty good?   2003-07-09 17:40:18
kozikSend kozik a message :   I was doin about 130 yesterday on the freeway..heh heh.   2003-07-09 17:39:11
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I went for a ride in Starship Sharon aka that Nissan 350Z and while Mr. Wisdom did drive with restraint for most of the trip there was a brief stretch of street where he opened it up a little more than was necessary. I wish you all could have seen the glimmer in his eye during that brief bit of acceleration.
I'm telling Sharon.
  2003-07-09 17:35:21
kozikSend kozik a message :   since when do you know me to withhold my 'wisdom', jackass?   2003-07-09 17:28:20
ryanaugustSend ryanaugust a message :   Has anyone else ever pissed off the band they were doing a poster for? I mean, I can see a band saying "This isn't really our image" or "It's okay..."
But, actually make them really mad?
  2003-07-09 17:27:43
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I don't recall asking your opinion Frank.   2003-07-09 17:25:50
kozikSend kozik a message :   well..he's alittle snotty, but his posters kick ass.
  2003-07-09 17:22:53
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Well I don't know him either. But what he has presented here as 'art' gives me the ability to stereotype him as an intellectual twat.
And then he backed up my suspicions by explaining his 'art.'
  2003-07-09 17:21:56
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   well, i don't know delicious....so the only opinion i can form from this piece of art is from the art itself....therefore I stand by my comment that I think it is a brave decision.   2003-07-09 17:19:41
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I already said that I find Delicious offensive.   2003-07-09 17:14:42
piemelSend piemel a message :   I think I'll call Dusty Baker and ask for his opinion
Got one of these in my collection
  2003-07-09 17:13:27
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   How does one hide behind one's intellect? Can you hide a bad design behind your intellect? Can one hide racism behind an intellect (you have already agreed no about the skinheads). That statement doesn't really mean anything. Sounds to me like you have something against delicious.???   2003-07-09 17:08:41
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   No it's not brave. It's pussy. Hiding behind your 'intellect' is pussy.   2003-07-09 17:02:17
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   NOT BRAVE? You gotta know when you are making something like this that you are gonna get creamed! It takes some Cajones. Wankery perhaps...but I doubt delicious spends 24 hrs a day tee-heeing with his friends over scones....at some point he goes out to face the Gossip.   2003-07-09 16:55:56
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   i've read some of this thread on this poster (though not all of it - yeow!) and i had some passing thoughts about it. first, it's a beautiful poster, well exectued, a truly masterful piece. but the controversy is over the image itself (aunt jemima is still used to sell baking goods and nobody seems upset by that).
i've always felt that if you're going to do something that pushes a boundary and risks pissing somebody off, you really should go for broke. the whole point of doing an image like this is to make people stop and think and even make them angry and question the established order of acceptible images and what they mean. in other words, you should EXPECT to piss 'em off and you should scream SUCCESS when they GET pissed off. it's sorta the old punk credo of 'fuckya if you can't take a joke', and 'whatsitoyamutherfuckr?', if you catch my drift.
if you going to use touchy images to piss people off, enjoy pissing them off and revel in the reaction the fools give you. after all, it's what you intended and what you wanted.
so, don't get all misty when they react negatively - expect and use it to your advantage, ya know?
  2003-07-09 16:55:49
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I still say bullshit. This isn't fucking brave.
All I see is something that Delicious could tee hee with, with friends over coffee and scones.
Bullshit.
  2003-07-09 16:51:14
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   Holy Shit I was trying to come up with some great Sambo's reference but nothing particularly clever came to mind.....Kozik with the royal flush.....excellent.   2003-07-09 16:50:04
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   1)I am not sure how this image fits The Gossip as a band.
2)If Delicious had used a stereotypical "gangsta" image with gold teeth and a gun...I doubt it would illicite this response. (although I would be even more inclined to wonder the relevance) Both are equally misrepresentational of human beings with a high concentration of melanin in their skin.
3)Its a good poster with historical significance, and it has generated dialogue to the tune of near 200 responses.
I say good job. And a brave choice by Delicious.
  2003-07-09 16:45:03
Darren GrealishSend Darren Grealish a message :   Great design/layout/colors imagery. I have no idea if it goes along with the band. Never heard them. But those who shock easily should be shocked more often. Take a look at this poster... http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=6990 Do you think he'll get all harassed by womens groups for such a blatent rape picture? It's a great rock poster! If some folks throw Malitov cocktails through your window at night then you might have a small problem but if you tick off certain folks they'll just have to get over it. Sheeeeeez. There are so many anti whitey imagery and sayings all over our society. This imagery is from another time. Alot of our imagery is taken from other times. NO BIGGIE. Nice work. If the band asked for this to be removed from association with them then so be it. But if it chaffes certain people then I say "Well done"! :D This is what is so great about our country. Freedom of religion, press etc.... :D This is my opinion. :D   2003-07-09 16:35:47
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   i stand corrected. mmmmmmmm.....butter.   2003-07-09 16:30:10
kozikSend kozik a message :   unless you get the circle of tigers going really fast then they will melt and turn into butter.   2003-07-09 16:29:01
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   everyone should shut the fuck up. you're all talking in circles. you know the thing about circles?.....they never fucking end!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:   2003-07-09 16:27:54
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I still don't see what is so special about the design of it?   2003-07-09 16:21:58
perkinsSend perkins a message :   There are obviously certain types of images- this being a prime example- that are so sensitive to the public that we just generally don't go there. But the fact that is considered to be off-limits increases the temptation to use it, with no malicious intent, and let people interpret it how they will. I think this is what Billy was trying to do in the beginning, then finally relented to the inevitable questions.
Having said that though- even though this is great on many levels from a design standpoint, conceptually it has nothing to do with the band. I still defend it based on design merit & I don't think a poster needs to be conceptual to be good. Bottom line: Great poster that didn't do the best job representing the band.
  2003-07-09 16:19:13
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Tell us what you really think RG   2003-07-09 16:18:38
Casey BurnsSend Casey Burns a message :   my take: i'm usually very concerned with whether or not the band will like what i've done for the show. i always try to keep that in mind. they are the most important audience, and the poster represents them to their own audience. that's where i tend to make the judgement call.   2003-07-09 16:18:21
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I'm not offended by this poster. I'm not anything by this poster.
I find Delicious offensive. This is more white boy intellectual wankery.
Oooh look at me I made a racist joke and I want you to think about what that really means.
It doesn't mean shit.
I perdonally find extremely blunt racist humor hysterical. Am I a racist? Nope. Why do I find it funny? I guess cause stereotypes are hysterical.
Shit. What's funnier than a skinhead? Not much on the stereotype scale. To have such conviction about something so stupid is amazing and listening to them speak about their convictions is nothing but comical.
I lost my train of thought.
In conclusion. Skinheads = Comedy Intellectual Caucasians=Offensive
In the words of Lee Ving. Go Die.
  2003-07-09 16:14:41
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   It all comes down to respect. Show respectand your career will prosper. Show disrespect and it can blow away with the wind.   2003-07-09 16:13:50
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   'Your right, I suck. damn it! You live you learn. next....'
heh...please. You definitely dont suck at design, cause this one is VERY well-done...
  2003-07-09 16:13:40
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   "Now, if you wouldve put a panther pin on her chest, a rifle in one hand, a wrinkled copy of the Emancipation Proclamation...and fangs in her mouth...well THEN you got us thinking.... My opinion..."
Your right, I suck. damn it! You live you learn. next....
  2003-07-09 16:11:46
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Yeah, I guess it's not that bad out today. I'm at school right now so I have actually left the house. And not just to get the mail.   2003-07-09 16:11:06
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Hey Steve, get outside once in a while, i got the windows wide open and its a cool breeze blowin' through Barf Nation, baby.
I want one of these posters, but I would never have created it. That's how I am.
  2003-07-09 16:07:41
uncle charlieSend uncle charlie a message :   I'm a big fan of pancakes so I like the poster.   2003-07-09 16:07:37
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Now, if you wouldve put a panther pin on her chest, a rifle in one hand, a wrinkled copy of the Emancipation Proclamation...and fangs in her mouth...well THEN you got us thinking.... My opinion...   2003-07-09 16:06:20
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   that's a great point. I think I obviously failed when it came to the band and forcing an idea or image upon them. they rejected it outright and aparently it pissed them off a bit. I had my fun though and I'm not concerned enough about my career as a poster artist to worry too much about pissing people off. I just do this on the side to get my kicks. and this one gave me quite a few kicks, and still does.   2003-07-09 16:05:32
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   There's no denying that visually this poster kicks ass if you strip it of any possible meaning.   2003-07-09 16:05:24
mike kingSend mike king a message :   Its not about it upsetting people. It doesnt upset me at all...Its a well-designed poster...just dont try and sell it as this deep exercise in racial education...
i think you hit the nail on the head
  2003-07-09 16:04:41
kozikSend kozik a message :   Jermaine is 100% right.
the 'ploy' is obvious-hence boring-but the poster is marvelous.
I believe I have violated every taboo, left and right in my career..yet it still thrives.
hmmmmmmm.........
  2003-07-09 16:03:50
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Well said
I thought I told you to shut up and draw. How sweaty are you?
God I love central air.
  2003-07-09 16:03:39
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   There is a vocabulary of images i will use, some I would not even think of using.
I can draw some sick and twisted gross stuff. I deal in fantasy. This image is too heavy with reality for me to want to attempt to de-claw it.
  2003-07-09 16:02:08
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   A couple of you are missing the point... Its not about it upsetting people. It doesnt upset me at all...Its a well-designed poster...just dont try and sell it as this deep exercise in racial education...   2003-07-09 15:59:19
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Done.
And for the record, i shall repeat one last time... :o
wow.
  2003-07-09 15:59:09
kozikSend kozik a message :   Chantry did it first.   2003-07-09 15:58:25
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   that was for DWITT not Jermaine   2003-07-09 15:58:08
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Shut up and draw another poster why don't you...   2003-07-09 15:57:15
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   I read your thoughts down there about civil rights and the Gossip/lesbian tie-in... So you make a 'statement' on civil rights with something stereotypically viewed as a racist 'joke'? Im trying to understand. It also gets into the mechanics of a poster artists primary job being a 'pitchman'. Obviously, strong elements in the band didnt dig this...and its not hard to see why. I think theres a fine line between making personal statements and doing your job as an 'advertiser'. It can be done...but youve got to think. Forcing this image on a band, even for but one show, can hurt you. Does that make sense?   2003-07-09 15:56:55
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Steve, you are whitey.
Now make me some waffles.
  2003-07-09 15:56:22
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   The poster does not upset or offend me in any way.
This poster makes me hungry and honestly, the first time I looked at this, "kill whitey" popped into my head. Now every time I see it.... Kill Whitey.
How much does one cost?
Wait, I'm broke.
  2003-07-09 15:54:41
JephSend Jeph a message :   In that case, my posters make people THINK...
...think that my posters need work. :mrgreen:
  2003-07-09 15:53:36
kozikSend kozik a message :   It's a cool poster. anyone that gets upset is a jackass.
you guys should see my 'designer klan' cup set i sell in japan.
  2003-07-09 15:52:38
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   "OK...Tell me. Whats it supposed to make me think about? Obviously, it made YOU think of something. Im curious."
well... from your perspective, being a poster artist, it made you think about how this poster is ineffective at getting any particular point accross and it made you think that all I was trying to do was to offend people to cause a splash, (and I'm just speculating here cause I have no Idea what you really thought), then maybe you thought how this could have been improved then maybe you thought about how you would have done it, etc.... your thoughts we're based on your experiences your opinions and are uniquely your own and that was point. The poster means completely different things to me and you can read about them in the previous comments.
  2003-07-09 15:50:16
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   OK, but can we still kill whitey?   2003-07-09 15:48:23
Casey BurnsSend Casey Burns a message :   well, cerdo, in a fight, waffles always knock the pants off pancakes. but this makes me think of pancakes.   2003-07-09 15:46:50
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   OH.... and KILL WHITEY!   2003-07-09 15:45:03
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Fuck pancakes.
WAFFLES!!!!
  2003-07-09 15:44:38
JephSend Jeph a message :   Oh shit...here we go again... :o   2003-07-09 15:44:16
Casey BurnsSend Casey Burns a message :   pancakes!   2003-07-09 15:44:09
kozikSend kozik a message :   some jambo sambo mandingo love potion   2003-07-09 15:40:35
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   OK...Tell me. Whats it supposed to make me think about? Obviously, it made YOU think of something. Im curious.   2003-07-09 15:39:41
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   "but please dont sell me the idea that this was somehow a 'deep' exercise in making people think about themselves or society or whatever."
But that's the truth baby
  2003-07-09 15:38:01
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   sometimes "train wrecks" get the most news coverage. you have a good point though.   2003-07-09 15:36:09
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   I like Delicious...but I see no point in this poster. Whats it supposed to make someone 'think' about? On design merits, its very well-designed...but please dont sell me the idea that this was somehow a 'deep' exercise in making people think about themselves or society or whatever. I dont buy it. It was just 'easy'...in a 'train-wreck' sort of way...   2003-07-09 15:34:20
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   WOW!, no i never got a chance to talk to the singer, I only talked to the guitar player and he was totally nice about it. that's interesting.   2003-07-09 15:33:32
standardSend standard a message :   Artistic statements that need to be explained generally aren't very good ones.
I like the colors on this, though. Straight up.
  2003-07-09 15:33:26
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Wow. They must've cooled off a bit about this poster after they were in MPLS. We talked to them a bit about it at the show and the singer went on for quite some time how much she was upset by it and how inappropriate it was. There was no doubt she was definitely angry about it.
So, did you talk them through it or what?
  2003-07-09 15:30:12
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   The Brother has spoken and he has said,
'...'
  2003-07-09 15:05:55
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   ...   2003-07-09 15:03:07
funkytrampSend funkytramp a message :   heh... ain't no place like America today   2003-07-09 14:34:55
perkinsSend perkins a message :   That's too bad. You know I love this poster, but honestly I'm not too surprised. A band is much more image-conscious than any of us. In the long run, I think they would have had to do more explaining & answer more questions than even you did.
You saw the reaction here- pretty split. They probably decided they couldn't take a chance that half their audience would misinterpret it. I'm sure you'll bounce back with the next one. This one goes down in infamy- I'm glad I own one.
  2003-07-09 14:23:57
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   "Hey, so what ever happened with this poster?"
Good question. So I went to the show last Thursday to sell S&N posters. I went up to the door guy and I said, "Hey, I'm Billy, I did the posters, (I show the posters), and I'm here to sell them)." The door guy tells me to wait right there. And I'm thinking he just doesn't know about me yet and isn't sure if I should have to pay a cover or not. But that's not it. He grabs the guy who runs the place who I haven't actually met yet and he leads me out into the sidewalk so we can talk.
He's real apologetic and keeps telling me he really loves the poster and "that it is one of the best posters he's ever seen.... he's getting one framed in his home, blah, blah, blah" But, and this is a big "but" he tells me that the band is uncofortable with the image used on the poster and has forced the venue to remove all posters from the club. Therefore I will not be albe to sell them at the show.
I ask him if it would be ok for me to talk to the band, explain myself, explain why it makes sense for them to use the poster. So the Manager retrieves the guitar player, i forget his name now. So I talk with the guitar player for about minutes and he explains to me why they are uncomfortable with the image, and I understand, but he also expresses how much they, the band, loves the poster and he actually would like a couple to keep and that when they come back into town they hope that I will do a poster for them again, (I laughed a bit when he said that). They were basically too afraid to use it. I try to explain to him what was meant with the poster but unfortunately I didn't explain myself very well, like I am known to do. It was all left on good terms, I'm still doing posters for the club, the band doesn't hate me, etc....
All in all, I can say I was a little dissapointed that they didn't have the guts to use the poster, that I didn't explain myself better to the guitar player, that I didn't get to sell any at the show. But in another sense it was really great to get the whole range of opinions and reactions to the poster and to "watch" as the poster grew beyond paper and ink and lived a life of its own.
I have no regrets.
  2003-07-09 14:05:09
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   Hey, so what ever happened with this poster?   2003-07-07 08:56:06
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   "i'm stating it for the record, once and for all: I AM NOT, AND NEVER WAS OFFENDED BY THIS POSTER. jesus christ."
OK, now I'm offended.
  2003-07-02 14:58:43
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   I was never offended either. But it did make me want pancakes and it makes me want to kill whitey.   2003-07-01 09:51:21
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   i'm offended by having to "cut/come to my own conslusion." i'd rather be told what to think.   2003-07-01 09:03:46
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   i'm stating it for the record, once and for all: I AM NOT, AND NEVER WAS OFFENDED BY THIS POSTER. jesus christ.   2003-07-01 08:53:07
ENothingSend ENothing a message :   Somebody wanna take Meeloo's question?   2003-07-01 08:53:02
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Paranoia may destroy ya   2003-07-01 08:51:28
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   bah.   2003-07-01 08:37:45
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Just got one of these in the mail yesterday. No controversy, no protests, no news crew accompanying it-Just a great poster!
Thanks Billy!
  2003-07-01 08:36:39
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   pass the butter... and kill whitey   2003-07-01 07:07:16
standardSend standard a message :   Thank you, Masked Man.   2003-07-01 06:45:01
ZELIGSend ZELIG a message :   We are terrified of being labeled racist and thus feel the need to engage in superfluos discussion to prove how unracist we are. For a better understanding of this phenomenon, listen to Lenny Bruce's "How to chill out your black friends at parties".   2003-07-01 05:51:57
MeelooSend Meeloo a message :   ....that's a great poster. ..... but why must american people always overreacting ?...   2003-07-01 03:57:13
altieriSend altieri a message :   I printed about 200 of these off this image. I am going to wallpaper my kitchen. Kidding aside, I think this is a great poster. Raises a few eyebrows, but that is what great design does sometimes.   2003-06-24 17:57:17
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   All the things I miss when I'm not here for a couple of days. My two cents: Well designed, great use of two colours. The iconography and how it relates to the Gossip: not sure what to think. Am I offended? Not really. Do I feel uneasy looking at this? Yup. I'm a jumble of emotions at the moment. All I'm really sure of is that I can't wait for the Gossip to head here on the 29th. I :heart: Beth. http://www.onourbacksmag.com   2003-06-24 17:33:15
ENothingSend ENothing a message :   Must put comment. Not be left out.   2003-06-24 14:03:09
gordo55Send gordo55 a message :   i can't believe i read this whole thread...it's only a poster!...and a compelling one at that. must have been a slow week!
:skull:
  2003-06-24 13:58:36
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   There are no Fish on this poster   2003-06-24 10:51:03
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   "You sir, are no Art Chantry." It's called sarcasm. I'm obviously not the new "Art Chantry". please... :roll:   2003-06-24 10:27:18
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   It needs some lightning bolts.
Kill Whitey
  2003-06-23 20:21:32
kozikSend kozik a message :   pure alabama jambo sambo..tsk tsk tsk. didnt you watch 'ghost world?' have you learned nothing?
YOU CAN ONLY OBJECTIFY WHITE MEN.
  2003-06-23 20:04:33
kozikSend kozik a message :   shit you allready got an 'y' nicknmae..lets see
'lumpo' how's that?
  2003-06-23 20:03:05
TerieyedSend Terieyed a message :   it's kitschy. i thimk someone made a comment about the eyes. if i was walking down the street i'd be like whaaattt is up with that exaggeration.   2003-06-23 20:02:43
lumpySend lumpy a message :   You sir, are no Art Chantry.   2003-06-23 19:53:49
kozikSend kozik a message :   thing is to be the new art chantry you got to give us nicknames like snappy or plakky or sarge.
you must also bewail your fate 24/7.
  2003-06-23 19:33:15
Brendan JordanSend Brendan Jordan a message :   106 comments in three days! That's insane.   2003-06-23 19:29:36
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   no. i like obvious.   2003-06-23 19:16:18
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   ok, let's go back to calling me the New Art Chantry then. are we happy now?   2003-06-23 19:15:19
kozikSend kozik a message :   why? I never said you where evil.
just like, obvious.
  2003-06-23 19:13:05
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   just call me evil then.   2003-06-23 19:11:31
kozikSend kozik a message :   you got to have at least 1 ancestor who is black, otherwise you are evil and it is not ironic.   2003-06-23 19:09:33
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Mike Brady has a fucking Afro...so no.   2003-06-23 19:09:18
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   I'm trying to grow and afro, does that count?
(last word)
  2003-06-23 19:08:22
kozikSend kozik a message :   they got this stuff I hear about on late night radio that will take of those frequent and annoying trips to the bathroom.
I stay away from Minstrelsy because with the Nazi stuff, I can pull pout the old chestnnut about them killing my family so I got a right etc.
  2003-06-23 19:06:41
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   exactly   2003-06-23 19:04:26
kozikSend kozik a message :   so you mean you have an enlarged prostrate?   2003-06-23 19:03:48
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   haven't you heard yet, kozik, I'm the new "Art Chantry" - that's how I'm billing myself. either that or the new "Popa Smurf", I have yet to decide.   2003-06-23 19:02:25
kozikSend kozik a message :   chantry allready beat him to the punch on this Sambo stuff.   2003-06-23 17:43:55
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   What this could use is some more skulls. :skull:   2003-06-23 17:36:26
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Until I started going there for tourniments and hockey camp. Then I realised it was like an alternate universe version of the U.S. One where all things are in 2 languages.   2003-06-23 17:23:12
dspringSend dspring a message :   "I learned to worship Canada." I think the rest of you could stand to follow Fisher's example. :P You may go now.   2003-06-23 17:17:17
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Kill Whitey.
French Toast for me please...
extra butter.
  2003-06-23 16:55:17
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   It's a deal. Leave the Aunt Jemimma out of it though. I only like pure Canadian maple syrup. As a kid from Cali growing up playing Ice Hockey I learned to worship Canada.   2003-06-23 16:46:09
UnitusSend Unitus a message :   after looking at this poster for a bit this weekend, i made pankakes. no lie.
and they were good.
  2003-06-23 16:45:41
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   Hey! MaxFlo i think you're an excellent artist. a much better draftsman than myself! tell you what... if Flatstock ever comes to Chicago you're comming over to my place and I'm makin' you some pancakes, ol' Aunt Jemimma Style, just the way you like em!   2003-06-23 15:41:29
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Waffles are also excellent. I like pretty much all breakfast foods. Although I hate eating breakfast at breakfast time. I'm never hungry in the morning.   2003-06-23 15:22:31
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Give me waffles or give me death!   2003-06-23 15:20:49
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I like smashed bannana in mine. I put lots of vanilla in my pancakes as well. I also like to put vanilla in my French Toat batter. Also a small bit of suger. It adds a nice touch and helps make them a little extra golden in color. I like to cook. I'm actualy a better cook than I am an artist, which should come as no suprise to you all especialy you Delicious!   2003-06-23 15:19:17
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   I make great pancakes! the secret is to put a lot of shit in your batter. shit being: cinnomon, vanilla, a pinch of salt, lemon juice (keeps em fluffy), and a bunch of fruit preserves or apple butter. oh, and butter the hell out of your griddle before every pancake   2003-06-23 15:16:31
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Pancakes are Delicious.   2003-06-23 15:13:22
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I fucking hate pancakes.   2003-06-23 15:10:40
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   i have nice feathers?
shit im gonna go listen to maiden yo.
  2003-06-23 15:04:41
dspringSend dspring a message :   "she wont stop staring and its fucking freaking me out... "
That's because you stunned her Dave, beautiful plumage though.
  2003-06-23 14:50:19
JephSend Jeph a message :   OK this pezzo character is too well spoken to be posting here. I feel dumb...
:duh:
I think it "looks cool".
  2003-06-23 14:43:40
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   how much longer are you guys gonna wax poetic about this? you are smart.. so are you!!!! you all rule!! she wont stop staring and its fucking freaking me out...

  2003-06-23 14:39:54
pezzonovanteSend pezzonovante a message :   Delicious, that's an excellent answer. You figured out a really interesting take on the Gossip. If you could have built that interaction of gay problems and race problems into the poster so that a viewer could potentially cull that statement from it, you'd've had a really fucking tight and impressive poster.   2003-06-23 14:37:55
Bob CaruthersSend Bob Caruthers a message :   Aunt Jemima translated means "I'm not your mother."   2003-06-23 14:37:36
perkinsSend perkins a message :   See? You can always improve.   2003-06-23 14:24:49
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Now that is a statement!   2003-06-23 14:23:18
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Shit, take it all the way & have a donkey fucking Aunt Jemima.   2003-06-23 14:22:46
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   This poster just screams:
LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!
I'VE CAUSED AN INTELLECTUAL RUCKUS!
  2003-06-23 14:20:20
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   If you really want to be provacative I recommend using Donkeys fucking Women.
People love that shit.
  2003-06-23 14:14:46
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   "Or would this just as easily have been a poster for Panty Lions, Nashville Pussy, Interpol, Built to Spill..."
No, not at all. The Gossip because their following is largely made up of the lezbian community. To me, "these are my thoughts not what I intended the poster to say", The femenist and civil rights movements of both african americans and gays and lezbians are not seen as parts of the whole but completely seperate movements. I feel they are all apart of the whole. The iconography of "aunt jamimma" is not that far from the iconography of a "nancy boy" or "bull dike". the civil rights of all human beings are the same. the struggles for equality are all parts of the same fight. And if these communities, these movements, could realize that and take strength in the trials that have come before and ban together they could accomplish so much more.
But this is my take on it. I didn't want people to have my take on it. I wanted everyone to have their own take on it. I don't find it irresponsible to offend, or provoke emotion or thought, if anything that's responsible.
  2003-06-23 13:51:54
pezzonovanteSend pezzonovante a message :   Kozik's an interesting case, because it's clear when you see his posters that he's aware of what icons he's manipulating. The fact that they rarely have anything to do with the bands they're attached to is subsumed by the texture of rebellion and fuckyouness that he's building into those posters. He's showing off his asshole to the world so that those folks who aren't interested in punk or counterculture will fuck off and stay away.
Fair enough.
Kozik is actually a really good example of what I'm talking about. He's not tiptoeing; he's shitkicking. Design sure as hell isn't about tiptoeing around these icons, or about tastefulness or any of that: but you gotta make some decisions and put your ass on the line when you use the Big Pictures like Aunt Jemima or Stepnfetchit or a swastika or the rebel flag or a dead raped woman or whatever. Those images will never be offlimits to designers: hell, it's designers who made them in the first place and gave them such power...
...what i'm saying is you have to acknowledge their power and grapple with it, use it purposefully instead of ignorantly. you want to use a classic racist image in your work, it's not enough to say "i liked the red against black color scheme". It's not even enough to say, "I just wanted to stir shit up."
Which is why, basically, I think some of Kozik's work is killer--all of the deformed kiddies and kitties and bunnies, all these evilized icons of goodness--and a lot of it is lame or just not speaking to me. You want to associate an event or your art with Nazis or with Manson because it's "rebellious," because "they didn't give a fuck and neither do we"--well, I get the message loud and clear. Successful design: it's more than just something to look at--i know just by looking at it that i probably wouldn't like the designer or the event. Cool, now I know. Kozik's posters work because they're consistent with his personality as I've seen it here; he seems approximately as repellent as the images in his posters, and that's what he wants me to think, and that's what makes them good design. With this Gossip poster, I don't know what conclusion I'd come to, except that I'd expect them to have something to say to me about race in America. And if they didn't, I'd be disappointed. And if they said, "Hell if we know, we had nothing to do with that poster, go ask the designer"--well, at that point, I think the designer should have built the answer into the poster. Somehow. That's the tough part, but what the fuck? Good design's tough. Really good, charged AND meaningful design's really fucking tough.
  2003-06-23 13:46:49
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   Well stated OPINION pezzo. Every one has their own reasons and philosophies about design. Which is the right opinion? Anything can and will offend someone in some way. I like to be offended once in a while. Personal preference is is just that. You were offended and I wasn't. I'm not black so I can't realate on some levels but I can say that I appreciate the design and boldness of this poster. Maybe it would make me come over and tear it down -who knows.
EGG SHELLS EY?
  2003-06-23 13:45:27
piemelSend piemel a message :   pezzodude... nicely worded points there. not saying i agree or disagree but...
how do you feel about Kozik's use of swastika's, hitler, and chalrie manson?
  2003-06-23 13:06:51
perkinsSend perkins a message :   This whole line of conversation reminds me of the guy who walked up to Rob Jones' booth at Flatstock, looked at his poster of Don Knotts with his hand down his pants, & asked him what kind of artist statement he was trying to make with it.
A person could debate the same sort of thing forever over Kozik's use of Nazi & Manson imagery. A person with too much time on their hands, that is. Who gives a fuck? Who among us is going to tiptoe around every religious, political, ethnic etc. group & stifle ourselves so as not to accidentally offend someone?
I agree that whether or not this was intended to make a statement, it does say something. What that something is though, is subject to interpretation. If it was intended to provoke a reaction, it's done its job. If it was intended purely to draw attention to a gig, it's done its job. Is it in poor taste? Some obviously think so. I respect an artist's decision to use whatever image he or she sees fit to use. The only parties who need to approve are the bands/promoters/venues. Everything else is just reaction.
  2003-06-23 13:03:10
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   cool...   2003-06-23 12:55:49
pezzonovanteSend pezzonovante a message :   It's very strange to me when I read posts from postermakers who act as if the iconography of American pop culture just doesn't matter. Like your source doesn't matter, the references don't matter, the content doesn't matter, all that matters is how it looks. Disregarding the references, especially in poster art, is like leaving out the name of the bands... Delicious decided to make a poster for the Gossip that uses as its imagery the Aunt Jemima images that have enflamed racial relations forever. Is there a reason he chose to do it with this band--something about their music, their politics, their name, anything? Or would this just as easily have been a poster for Panty Lions, Nashville Pussy, Interpol, Built to Spill...
You take imagery this strong and use it without a purpose and you deny the power of posters in the first place. You've got a loaded gun here, and you know it: why fire it randomly? To say that it's your own business why you made this poster is to ignore the fundamental power of posters to communicate all kinds of information--written, felt, remembered, associated, assumed; personal, cultural, countercultural, political--and in favor of what? It looks cool? You'd throw away everything this poster is capable of expressing for the idea that it looks cool? It made ya stop and "think"?
If I were to find this poster offensive, it wouldn't be on behalf of all the black people I know or don't know. It would be as a designer, watching the willful misuse of a powerful image for no constructive purpose.
It was interesting to see that you realized that putting that explanatory text into the poster didn't solve any problems. It overfocused a message and flattened out the complexities of the presentation. But "cut to your own conclusions" doesn't solve that problem, I don't think. The problem is that you've made a hateful thing--a thing that expresses contempt and historical ignorance and all kinds of negative associations--without handling that energy at all, and you just let it loose on the walls. You may think you don't have to answer or be responsible for that energy, but you put it there. If you don't have to answer to that, then you shouldn't get to answer for the positive energy your other posters bring people.
And again--why would it not matter that this bears no apparent relationship to the Gossip at all? Here's this social/political cannon, and as far as the rest of the world knows, it's being aimed by the Gossip.
I don't think the mission is accomplished just by getting someone to look at it. That's the most simplistic and reductive version of what design is and is for. That's just where design starts. And the idea that, well, it got people talking doesn't do it either. Leading the discussion, bringing it up and then taking your own position on it: that's art AND design.
Maybe some folks don't think these are significant concerns--that they're tangents, or somehow off the subject--but to me they're what makes design more interesting than any other form of art: it's inherently public; it's inherently cultural; it's a forum where you can make some incredibly powerful impressions on people, sometimes without them even realizing it; and you've got all these invisible tools at your disposal: icons and references and jokes and stereotypes and underground languages. To pretend that you're not responsible for what your images mean is just...missing out on what makes posters important. It's not design.
Even if and especially when the poster is a technical beauty, like this one is.
  2003-06-23 12:24:45
TerieyedSend Terieyed a message :   interesting. there's an artist who dealt with the aunt jemime issue. her names betye saar. check out some examples:
www.netropolitan.org/saar/auntjemimamaidrite.html and www.sistahspace.com/backdoor/bettyesaar.html
  2003-06-23 11:15:57
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   Nicely designed 2 color poster. If I saw this from across the street I would definitely go up and check it out closer. Mission accomplished!   2003-06-23 11:03:39
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   nah, I left it out. because everyone knows what time shows start at the empty bottle. the last time they played at the bottle it was practically sold out. I'm sure people won't miss the show. I see your point but I didn't feel the need because everybody just shows up to the bottle around 10pm, no matter if the show starts at 9 or 9:30. it's kinda pointless   2003-06-23 10:50:42
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   seriously. all this introspection..
how about what time the show is? you know the concert this poster is promoting?
or is it in the fine print?
  2003-06-23 10:46:48
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   I didn't want you to think about anything that I wanted you to think about. You think it falls short, you think it's not subversive you think. that's what I wanted. "Cut to your own conclustions"   2003-06-23 10:43:30
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   thing=think.   2003-06-23 10:32:22
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   i wasn't done. ok. may be i am. i've got my views as to why it falls short. i applaud delicious for trying to elevate the poster past the point where it is just a nice dedsaign promoting a band performance. he made me thing. unfortuntaely, not about what he wanted ,me to. or didn't want me to. now i'm done.   2003-06-23 10:31:57
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   perkins-i don't think it's controversial at all. i think it's simplistic. it hasn't made me think about any of the things delicious has stated he wanted to bring across. and by introducing social commentary into it, you elevate it past 'just a poster'. it becomes more than that. you know me, i'm NOT sensitive, nor very PC. and the irony here, is that by charging for the sale of these, delicious is profiteering off it, just like the products he illustrated in his deleted commentary.   2003-06-23 10:27:26
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   this makes me think the artist wanted to rile up people on purpose...
best stuff gets a reaction without being prodded.
what time is the show? :o
  2003-06-23 10:19:23
Bob CaruthersSend Bob Caruthers a message :   I like this poster a lot. How can I get a copy? Great!   2003-06-23 09:57:39
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   12x18 2-color 50-print run $10 (if your interested)   2003-06-23 09:56:29
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Guess I'm not trying to read anything into this. If there is some social commentary here, I don't know enough about the band to get it, so for me it all comes down to graphics which I think are top notch. Come on...at best, this is only mildly controversial. I wouldn't see this as offensive to anyone who wasn't overly sensitive. I see it as poking a little fun at classic Americana, and a damn tight design. We can't walk around on eggshells & pretend certain aspects of our history didn't exist, as much as we might wish it hadn't. Truth is, this kind of imagery was prevalent in advertising at one time, & even now is a collectible form of Americana. I just don't see this as trying to offend or shock. If it is trying, it fails to shock me. It's a bold choice by the artist of an image some of us would shy away for fear of what SOME people might read into it. It's just a poster, just art. I think if you stop looking over your shoulder to see if anyone is watching, you might actually admire it for the great design it is.   2003-06-23 09:53:19
standardSend standard a message :   Yeah, I'm glad you left all that text out. Then I would've thought it sucked.   2003-06-23 09:41:54
ZELIGSend ZELIG a message :   What's the size on this?   2003-06-23 09:40:44
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   What I was trying to do is to make you think and you did. That's valid enough. You thought the use of this imagery was not subversive and it was so unsubversive that you wrote a small paragraph about it. That's awesome. This poster says a lot to me on a personal level, and it obviously says a lot to you, but I didn't want them to be the same thing.
Originally, I felt I needed to explain the use of this image or rather apologize for it. Originally the copy around the figure read as: "Does this image offend? Common sense would dictate so. But if this image is so offensive why do you still find it acceptable for the modern version to reside in virtually every grocery store in America? Why doesn't "Uncle Ben" piss you off? Why doesn't the Cleveland Indians mascot infuriate you? Why is it still socially acceptable to degrade individuals that are over weight? Why do high school students and rappers still use the word "gay" as if it was an insult? If this image is so overtly offensive then why aren't all these things also horribly offensive?" Then I thought that was lame so it was changed to, "Does it offend you to look into the face of racism? The system has performed a sleight of hand. We've replaced the image of racism with the hidden economic engine of racism. Steppin Fetchit has been replaced by School Vouchers. No need for slavery when you've got the prison system. Like homophobia, racism is a tool to create economic hierarchy, which is a way to redistribute power and resources. Money isn't green, it's white, straight, Christian and covered in blood. Never mind a color-blind society, we 're just blind. And if you look upward, the powerful will step on your face to boost themselves higher." Which was really "in your face" but I felt it watered down the impact the image might have. And like I said before I don't want you to think what I want you to think I just want you to think whatever you want to think. If you hate this poster then that's awesome because I actually evoked a response from my viewer. Their are so many posters on this site, mine included that are just blah, "yeah it's nice but I don't love it, or ehh, it's not great but I don't hate it" I just wanted to do something that people would either love or hate.
  2003-06-23 09:40:10
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   I like the use of two colors, I also like the simple-ness of the image, but I don't know if perhaps the Gossip logo takes away from it a bit? At least in my humble opinion..seems a bit distracting.   2003-06-23 09:15:12
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   oh shit! This kicks all forms of ass Billy.   2003-06-23 09:10:32
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   this would absolutely rule if it were for pearl jam.   2003-06-23 08:52:31
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   the concept here is that the singer obviously eats lots of cake, among other things.   2003-06-23 08:40:00
standardSend standard a message :   Great looking poster. As mentioned below, excellent use of 2/3 colors. I like The Gossip.   2003-06-23 08:07:53
sockMONKEYSend sockMONKEY a message :   great postur...always had athing for mrs butterworth   2003-06-23 07:27:47
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   kill whitey   2003-06-23 00:08:36
PunchgutSend Punchgut a message :   dig it..... when did we go pc? classic americana imagery...i dont think anyone would take it as kkk propaganda...maple syrup tasty   2003-06-22 23:39:28
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Didn't we determine back in early 2002 that the 'succesful cause you stopped to think about it' argument was bullshit?   2003-06-22 22:54:01
Michael M. MotorcycleSend Michael M. Motorcycle a message :   Rockologist...are you trying to imply that people of the Jewish faith tend to be money grubbers? :wink:   2003-06-22 22:50:24
JephSend Jeph a message :   s 2003-06-22 22:19:37
rockologist- if this poster made you think that much about it, your own thoughts your own conclusions then it was successfull, in my mind. I'm not trying to be preachy or make you think in a way that I want you to think. I want you to think what you want to think, or not to think. Sure, I've got opinions about racism, sexual discrimination, war, money, power, white privelage, etc, etc..... but who cares about my opinions. ..... I think the worst way to get someone to come around to your way of thinking is to shove it down their throat.
You lost me, dude :o
  2003-06-22 22:41:44
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   HA! Good point.   2003-06-22 22:40:16
ryanaugustSend ryanaugust a message :   I'm sure all the record stores are going to be thrilled to hang these in the window :roll:   2003-06-22 22:39:40
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   On a graphic level I don't think it's breaking to much new ground. Seen it before.   2003-06-22 22:37:28
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   will i be seeing these around town?   2003-06-22 22:36:58
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   my eyes were very similar to hers when i first saw this. still dont know how i feel about it. :o :?: :o   2003-06-22 22:36:15
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   but see, it didn't get me thinking about the imagery so much as why you used it. i've already thought about racism. plenty. what i was trying to get at earlier is that you obviously were making a statement. and i think that from what i know of you through your work and from your posts, i can get an idea of where you'r coming from. but the next person who sees this may not. and to me, to make a statement tis bold, but then to say 'draw your own conclusions' is not seeing it ll the way through. if i made a poster with a man on it with a big hooked nose and a yamulke holding 2 big bags of money, and put a band's name on it, i think i need to either give it some direction, or be ready to back up my reasoning other than saying, 'i have my beleifs, you'll just have to guess'. i think in making political statements, you NEED to be bold about it, or else you're not really making a statement. so, on that level, for ME, this doesn't quite succeed. on a graphic level, however,i think this is a great poster.   2003-06-22 22:35:17
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   My posters are my opinions. They are my thoughts and my feelings. If your art doesn't speak for you or you don't try and speak through your art whats the point? It's just graphic desing at that point. Like a magazine ad or a Corporate annual report. An image this strong and potentialy offensive with no reason IS offensive. Like I think you had better have a good reason to use it and be willing to explain it as well. Unless your black. Then of course you don't have to explain shit. We allready know.
In my opinion of course.
  2003-06-22 22:32:06
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   rockologist- if this poster made you think that much about it, your own thoughts your own conclusions then it was successfull, in my mind. I'm not trying to be preachy or make you think in a way that I want you to think. I want you to think what you want to think, or not to think. Sure, I've got opinions about racism, sexual discrimination, war, money, power, white privelage, etc, etc..... but who cares about my opinions. ..... I think the worst way to get someone to come around to your way of thinking is to shove it down their throat.   2003-06-22 22:19:37
perkinsSend perkins a message :   FUCKING RULESSSSSSSSS!!!!! Sweet Jehosephat, I must have one of these!   2003-06-22 19:38:42
PediniSend Pedini a message :   That's agenda, not agends. Sorry.   2003-06-22 14:51:44
PediniSend Pedini a message :   Well, my conclusion is that this is one damn fine design. I don't need to know the Uncle Tom correlation, if any, or the band's agends or nuthin... I didn't make it so I'm simply looking and saying "ahhh... nice!"   2003-06-22 14:51:16
MURPHYSend MURPHY a message :   Needs a gradient   2003-06-22 13:49:55
JephSend Jeph a message :   :o Damn!!! Check out Jamie gittin' down to biz-ness! Nice.   2003-06-22 12:59:03
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   kj wrote: "i think it says "cut to your own conclusions" around the border." yeah, i saw that. i just don't think that concept succeeds. if the idea is to generate a dialogue about a socio-political issues which should be brought to our attention and discussed, then i think he should find a new one. this has been done before. michael ray charles has been doing it for years. i'm not offended by the imagery, because to me, it's been done and the effect is really not as strong as before. my contentioin is that if you're going to use a poster to bring up a sociopolitical argument, then maybe you should do more than saying "SAMBO, now discuss." honestly, i want there to be a reason for me to give delicious props for doing this. but his reply left me feeling like there really wasn't as much behind it as he wants us to believe. delicious-prove me wrong, please. i'm not trying to be confrontational. this is obviously a strong visual, and i just wanted you to back it up better than that. maybe i've just had too much coffee today. it's a rock poster. 'nuff said.   2003-06-22 12:06:26
funkytrampSend funkytramp a message :   yup, fresher than 20 devil girls, 7 Hitlers and a whole box o' iron crosses.
it's a hup ho world. i just live in it...
  2003-06-22 11:44:05
KJSend KJ a message :   i think it says "cut to your own conclusions" around the border.   2003-06-22 11:35:47
lil_tuffySend lil_tuffy a message :   I wish I could read what's going on around the border. It would prolly give me some insight into what it's all about. I've seen the gossip and like 'em and all but i have no idea what the reference is. Issues aside, I think the poster is beautiful.   2003-06-22 11:34:41
Michael M. MotorcycleSend Michael M. Motorcycle a message :   I actually love this poster, are they a band of aunt jemima's. I think I heard one of their songs....yo yo massa massa, I get yo conebred an sum apple pie...when yous all done I tuck you beddi bye....just kidding....   2003-06-22 11:30:59
lil_tuffySend lil_tuffy a message :   Scissors.   2003-06-22 11:09:50
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   ah, so responsible... :roll:   2003-06-22 11:05:33
DeliciousSend Delicious a message :   yes, it has something to do with the band, yes I have my reasons, yes it's socio-political, no I won't tell you what I was thinking. "Cut to your own conclusions...." that's the point. thanks for the feedback.   2003-06-22 11:01:36
funkytrampSend funkytramp a message :   brutalized women & Nazi imagery = good/subversive
Aunt Jemima = bad/tasteless
???!!!
  2003-06-22 10:54:00
JephSend Jeph a message :   I'm hungry.   2003-06-22 10:50:30
thinkmuleSend thinkmule a message :   eat your pancakes.
nice one billy.
  2003-06-22 10:44:57
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   what rockologist said.   2003-06-22 09:29:29
vastaghSend vastagh a message :   excellent use of two colors.   2003-06-21 22:46:54
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   i like the poster, but not so much the type. i'd like to know what the words are that outline her   2003-06-21 19:40:15
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   no, the image doesn't HAVE to do with the band. but, attention getting or not, this is a very loaded image. if it somehow ties to the band then that really helps defend the use of the iconography. otherwise, i as a viewer, have to wonder why use this. i don't really think it's subversive in any way. i could be totally wrong about it. so it gets my attention.does that justify it? maybe a reason behind it would.   2003-06-21 18:44:50
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Yeah there is that whole argument...
I recently heard something about the lead singer or The Gossip posing in some lesbian sex mag.
I can imagine an all girl punk rock group from the Northwest really digging the stereotypical image of a black woman to promote their show...
Not! again.... :o
  2003-06-21 18:41:41
BryanSend Bryan a message :   Does the poster have to relate to the band? I see many posters here that have nothing to do with the band. As for this image, it works. It gets your attention which is what these posters are meant to do. There is far worse things on this site than this.   2003-06-21 17:56:39
ryanaugustSend ryanaugust a message :   I've heard the band's name before. Never actually listened to them though- seems like one of those "white belt" sort of bands.
Can't wait to hear the motivation behind this one.
  2003-06-21 17:44:13
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   hmm. well, it's certainly attention getting. but is there a point? is it connected to the band? you know you're gonna have to defend this one, delicious.   2003-06-21 17:37:54
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   I'll say it again... :o   2003-06-21 17:36:32
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   im TRYING to come to my own conclussion about this......but......damn.   2003-06-21 17:34:54
ryanaugustSend ryanaugust a message :   Yeah... I imagine this will get some attention/reactions.   2003-06-21 17:30:23
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   :o
wow.
  2003-06-21 17:25:59
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