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DESIGNER:
Thomas Perrodin  
VENUE:
Kab
Geneva
ND
Switzerland
 
SUBMITTED BY:
Thomas PerrodinSend Thomas Perrodin a message
2012-05-12 14:52:27
 
BANDS:
Bus Driver
Matana Roberts



Bus Driver Poster - Kab, Geneva - Thomas Perrodin



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Thomas PerrodinSend Thomas Perrodin a message :   I understand now your point 40oz, and i'm sorry if some people have been offensed by this picture. As europeans, we lighten those weights 'cause we're mostly living in a post colonnialist era where many (most) people think that foreigners (population from ex-colonies) shall, after rebuild europe after WWII, return to their land, I think some WASPs in the US border and in deep land think the same about mexican people... I have to tell that this picture was made for a big alternative space in Geneva called Usine, with many social purpose and a post-punk state of mind with a tip of cynicism. And i think that pictures with no clear intent are obviously the more stimulating.   2012-05-15 14:47:34
epicproblemsSend epicproblems a message :   This is starting to remind me of another racist imagery discussion: http://www.gigposters.com/comments/17731_Gossip.html   2012-05-15 13:47:37
40ozGraphicsSend 40ozGraphics a message :   I'm making no judgement either way. I'm not sure I get your explanation but what I'm saying is you can't divorce the history from the image just because your using it in another continent. I worked in a shop many years ago and we were printing some gicle's for an artist who had created some satirical pieces based on racist southern advertising (including the use of black face). The artist was African American and the art was intended to inform on racism. Some of the African Americans I worked with thought we should turn down the job despite it's intent and who the artist was. It's a tricky image to use without clear intent.   2012-05-15 12:56:55
Thomas PerrodinSend Thomas Perrodin a message :   No, we don't had Minstrels shows in Europe, but we have our share http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_trade and we grown up with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banania for example... And yes, i draw on "this" image particularly and for the reasons I described below.   2012-05-15 12:40:10
40ozGraphicsSend 40ozGraphics a message :   The black face is a pretty loaded image. this may be a French artist doing a poster for a show in Switzerland but the black face is a particularly American image (unless Europe had a tradition on minstrel shows -feel free to correct me). So you are drawing on that history and all it's baggage when you incorporate the black face.   2012-05-15 09:22:50
Thomas PerrodinSend Thomas Perrodin a message :   Woow woow, i didn't expect so much reactions for the black face i've done. I understand the american point of view on this, and as a french we have a heavy colonial past. But yeah in a way, using a smily face (as the "white" US cartoon industry use to do, and i don't forget that most of those rappers are nerds about classic comics (maybe some of you are) which are politically racists, against reds and imperialists) to put a face on a multiply corpse composition (cause busdriver rap fast and abstract) make it (in my point of view) less monstruous and more funny. Beyond racial codes of representation, Busdriver seemed happy of the flyer and it was also a risky wink to Matana Roberts who speak a lot about black people hard life in the U.S (but don't worry Europe and Switzerland are also racists and facists people). I prefer to dared make it fun to break cleavages and my Senegalese neighbours (from Africa huh) found it really cool. And about cleavage, aren't you putting (keeping) walls between people to unhautorized this kind of stuff? In europe, many people are making fun of what "nazi" (whaaa nooooo) have done, which is heavy here, excactly to DESECRATED it. And Nadine is right, you'll have problems if you do a joke on jew on TV, unless you're jew, and, strangely it was not a problem 15years ago... it's an all fast growing conservative mood in the western world, and if you're interested about what happening in Europe and outside the US, then look at it.   2012-05-15 03:18:16
Thomas PerrodinSend Thomas Perrodin a message :   Woow woow, i didn't expect so much reactions for the black face i've done. I understand the american point of view on this, and as a french we have a heavy colonial past. But yeah in a way, using a smily face (as the "white" US cartoon industry use to do, and i don't forget that most of those rappers are nerds about classic comics (maybe some of you are) which are politically racists, against reds and imperialists) to put a face on a multiply corpse composition (cause busdriver rap fast and abstract) make it (in my point of view) less monstruous and more funny. Beyond racial codes of representation, Busdriver seemed happy of the flyer and it was also a risky wink to Matana Roberts who speak a lot about black people hard life in the U.S (but don't worry Europe and Switzerland are also racists and facists people). I prefer to dared make it fun to break cleavages and my Senegalese neighbours (from Africa huh) found it really cool. And about cleavage, aren't you putting (keeping) walls between people to unhautorized this kind of stuff? In europe, many people are making fun of what "nazi" (whaaa nooooo) have done, which is heavy here, excactly to DESECRATED it. And Nadine is right, you'll have problems if you do a joke on jew on TV, unless you're jew, and, strangely it was not a problem 15years ago... it's an all fast growing conservative mood in the western world, and if you're interested about what happening in Europe and outside the US, then look at it.   2012-05-15 02:47:53
BahrSend Bahr a message :   I dont think its actually supposed to be blackface. I think its supposed to be like the clay face at the end of this Busdriver video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JItQ4Kg5Zy8   2012-05-15 01:22:55
perkinsSend perkins a message :   I don't get the blackface either, but I don't know this band. I'm curious to know if there is some concept behind it or if it's just a careless (and if so, unwise) choice. And why is it such a small element?   2012-05-14 13:55:21
HrabovskySend Hrabovsky a message :   What Perkins said. People in other places don't see things like us always. Are they better for not seeing it as we do? Are we better for seeing it? Who cares? It's a poster.   2012-05-14 13:37:26
Nadine Y. NakanishiSend Nadine Y. Nakanishi a message :   http://rapfix.mtv.com/2011/02/24/experts-react-to-beyonces-black-face-photo-shoot/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/rihanna-responds-to-dutch-magazine-that-called-her-a-racist-name/2011/12/20/gIQAw15H7O_blog.html
Europe has had some issues... but basically it comes to this, if you are not part of the minority, you can't make that kind of joke. It's pretty simple.
  2012-05-14 12:50:21
crosshairSend crosshair a message :   In the USA there are plenty of people who have the reaction "PC bad, fuck PC." Which I understand and in some cases share, though in other cases I think it's taken to a retarded extreme (ooh I said retarded!)
In Europe (with the possible exception of Germany and the aforementioned swastika) I don't have the impression PC itself ever came to a point that it was something to backlash against as a phenomenon in itself. But to interpret that as meaning there's an enligtened, post-racial, post-nationalistic society that has matured beyond the need to consider these things, is just completely wrong.
I like this poster a lot, but I think in playing loose with something that should be handled with great care, it fails.
  2012-05-14 12:39:52
crosshairSend crosshair a message :   Don't differentiate with PC labeling, or don't differentiate period? If the former, it misses the point, and if the latter, it's horseshit.
In my experience they're extremely particular with "Swiss," and who it does and doesn't apply to.
  2012-05-14 12:02:45
iamprogrammableSend iamprogrammable a message :   Hrabovsky. I think you meant to say that they call them "Papier Swiss". right?
  2012-05-14 11:48:46
BahrSend Bahr a message :   this makes sense for Bus Driver.   2012-05-14 11:38:34
perkinsSend perkins a message :   I think Hrabovsky is trying to say they don't differentiate between races with politically correct labeling like we do in America.   2012-05-14 11:35:52
crosshairSend crosshair a message :   I'm thinking about it...and I don't get the point or buy the premise. Care to spell it out?   2012-05-14 11:11:26
HrabovskySend Hrabovsky a message :   In Switzerland, they call black people "Swiss". Think about it.   2012-05-14 10:54:01
crosshairSend crosshair a message :   Yeah... though there is a lot to like about this poster, you're in dangerous territory here. This would not fly in the USA, at all. Even if you are intending to comment on racial stereotypes in culture and people's reactions to them, this is clumsy.
It's is a bit like if I did a poster for a German band, and put a swastika on it.
  2012-05-14 10:51:21
iamprogrammableSend iamprogrammable a message :   Black face? Not such a good idea. That might work in Switzerland, but for two American bands, I think you are gonna have some problems. This is gonna come across as super racist.   2012-05-14 09:49:07
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