Overall I like this, except:
--Don't like the info type treatment, doesn't fit with the rest of the poster
--I think the flowers should have been all black or all pink, i.e. on the same plane, would have created more depth
I'm waiting for the right band to bust the titties out.
Mike I told Murphy since I wasn't hosting this next Flatstock that we're getting pissed when you get to town. I can't wait. I'm gonna be in Cali next week but my fuckin schedule won't let me get to San Fran or San Josie. I'm bummed cuz I usually take advantage of the ticket out there and try and see Frank and Goodtimes.
Richie and I just finished a nice ironic piece and found out the show was cancelled. Luckily it will work for just about any Death Metal band so we'll find a use for it.
I think Seripops Isis poster fits the band to a T. They like all of that crazy looking stuff. They also seem to like the super clean techno looking stuff as well. Your guys Slayer poster just flat out rules.
Ya know Mike that's a really good point. Seriously. Same goes with the crap we do. Knowing the audience should be a big part of the design process. We don't always know it but we try like hell to find out as much as we can. I think you can get away with this sometimes for bands that it typically wouldn't fly for. I think our Slayer is a good example or Seripop's Isis. Both pretty desigerly for heavy bands but still in the vein of the music. As with everything there's exceptions to the rule.
Tell Murphy to stop crying I was only joking about the name. Pretty sensitive for a bunch of headbangers... :wink:
I think that some viewers need to be challenged and some viewers don't. I really depends on the band and the people who listen to them and you trying to speak to those people. See if I tried something like this with the bands that I do work for it would never fly. Never. I know my audience because I AM my audience. If that means we are stupid and don't "get it" then so be it. My job as a poster maker is to draw the eye of people who are like minded to the style of music the show.
So maybe I am wrong. Maybe this DOES succeed as and advertisment if it's trying to speak to the people who would like this band or type of music. I have no idea. This says nothing to me so I guess it's not intended to. I'm not saying it's bad, just that It would not draw me to the show.
Yes, Peveto, that is the best name we could come up with. We are dumb punk rock metal heads. Lowest common denominator. We make poster not home furnishings. Our posters probably wont match your carpets amd drapes.
I think you have some very valid points, gunsho.
I also think there are a ton of great designers on this site absolutely doing new stuff and pushing it.
Most of the "shit" I write is over the top on purpose. I just like to push buttons and get people to talk. So take whatever I write with a grain-of-salt.
My new way of deciding whether a poster is successful or not is by testing how bad my memory is. (Since I don't really follow who-does-what, forgive me for lack of designer names.) Off the top of my head, these posters are "good" to me, purely because I've remembered the band name along with the image:
• the bird/volante
• mark eitzel/shopping cart
• happy dog/beck (kozik, yeah?)
• "WATT" across mike watt's eyes/mike watt
• crow/Nick Cave
and, you know, a bunch of others. Anyway, I'll let you guys know in a few months if I think this is a good poster or not. Bate your breath!
i don't see this or your other work as necessarily "challenging the audience" any more than most other posters on this site. i'm not bashing you in any way, but the use of late 60's imaging in your work isn't really breaking new ground, the fact that someone may stare for 10 minutes at to understand what it's saying doesn't make make it successful. simplicity is just as poweful as confusion. i've stared at your work quite a lot, and honestly, i can't remember the names of the bands. i just like the art.
your psychedelic type treatment on the other posters is simply amazing, but it is derrivative of an era when that style was used in formulaic way to speak to a certain segment of the population that could decipher the type. it was an "in-crowd" treatment, that worked, because in it's effect, it shut the squares out. putting a big-titted women and a hot rod on a poster does the same thing to some effect. it speaks to a certain audience, yours do the same thing. to dismiss other styles for a lack of originality for the sake of something that isn't especially orginal, just seems pointless to me.
in all cases, this all comes down to taste. i think there are plenty of artists on here who are pushing the enevelope.
You may fool most of these people Goodtimes but I know the truth. You prolly know more about design than I do. Time to lower the tough guy shield and let the art school love in Richie. It won't hurt you. Although you may get kicked out of the Wrecking Crew.
p.s. is that the best name you dorks could come up with?
the basic and simple idea is "closure" if the view is forced to finish the sentence then they will remember that sentence. Wes Wilson said, (and I'm paraphasing), "If it takes the viewer 10 minutes to figure out what my poster says then he's not going to forget what he read" How many people do you think look at a poster for more than 10 seconds, not many. But I've actually seen people stare at my shit and after a couple of minutes they figure it out - and then they come to the show. That's the biggest compliment I could ever get because someone thought my shit was compelling enough to hold their attention long enough to try and understand it. If you never chanllenge the viewer then you will never reach that viewer. The bands that I do posters for are never big names - if they were all I would have to do is print their name huge and then maybe put some big breasted girl on the front. I don't have that luxury - nor do I want it. Maybe more people on this site should challenge their audience, like all the Seripop stuff, rather than talking down to them.
I gotta disagree with this failing as an ad. The fact that this is bright pink, thor with flowers and the type is all kinds of fucked up is precisely why I would look closer at it. Big blocks of type do not get my attention. Strong imagery is what catches my eye then I look to see what it's about. On that level this is a total success. Same with the Psyche posters you've done. The image makes me get closer to see what it says. If you hadn't integrated the type on the psyche pieces THEN that work would fail both as art and a cohesive design and advertisement.
Too many times artists spend the time creating an amazing image, be it hand drawn or found art, and then blow it by just dropping text randomly so it gets on the poster. I think it's time to evolve to art being just as integral and integrated as the information. I think the rule that the info has to be the absolute most prominent part of the poster is kinda stale. As artists we should be pushing the viewer to become more involved in soaking up the design. To want to explore the image more than just the cursory "where's the time and date and band ?" that's too easy. Who says we should have to cater to the consumer of the live music product just because they are too lazy to take one minute to dig deeper into what we are creating? It's time for people to think a little more and stop walking through life in a zombie state having to be fed eveything they need to get by. Even if it just is "where's the time and date and band ?"
This is a great poster, a great design and a great ad.
I agree with Mike about all of your nouveau style posters and this one. They are totally beautiful pieces of art but as advertisements they don't do the trick. If I saw this in a window of a store or in a record store, I would love it but might never get around to reading what it was advertising.
I'll tell you what I hate most about this piece. And this is just tops of a long list. The fucking type at the bottom. It doesn't follow any of the rules that I set up with the headline and supporting acts type. those are at a hard right angle to fight with the "flow" in the background but then when I get to the type at the bottom I just forget about it and run it flat and not on the same angle as the headline. That really fucking bothers me! If I'm going to make design choices I need to be able to follow them through the whole piece. The bottom type pretty much ruins the entire poster.
O.k. Since you asked for some tougher crit here ya go.
I havn't commented on this yet and the main reason is that I don't really get the irony of it. You had explained that this band is heavily influenced by Thors Hammer. Is that the 70's prog rock Thors Hammer or the 90's Black Metal Thors Hammer? Either way you look at it the pink doesn't really work. The whole thing just doesn't make me think of Thors Hammer. I guess if I knew more about the Conquerers it would help. The production info and support band text feels like more of a design element than actual information.
I guess as a piece of art I like it, but as an advertisment I think it falls short.
I'm pretty simple minded in the way I view design though so my opinion probably isn't the best.
I tried to create a dichotomy between the type, the name and thor as all being overtly masculine and aggressive to that of the color scheme, flowers and the background "flow". Satire is my all time favorite type of comedy and if I could satire the band's name by using a pink thor floating in a see of flowers then.... yay me! And as far as using the Jack Kirby Thor, well... If I wasn't going to draw it myself I better use the best. So it was either going to be Jack's or Buscema's - and Jack's is just so much more of a graphic Pop-art masterpiece than anything that has ever been done so I went with the Jack. He is King.
Holy shit!?!? Poster of the Week?? That's crazy. I've only been on this site for like a month now and the way that everyone has welcomed me into the fold has really been great. Thanks a lot guys. The only thing left for me to do now is to have Art say he digs my posters and for me to actually sell one for the first time- then I will be able to die a happy man.
It might be a little obvious, but at least he didn't use Rob Liefeld or someone like that.
I wonder what this band sounds like???? The name suggests one thing, but the image something completely different. The design on this is really interesting, but there's no way I'd go to this show.
This is very well designed. Typography and colors approach Shawn Wolfe-level greatness. But I'm just curious, is using a straight lift of a Jack Kirby illo as the primary design element OK? JACK KIRBY? C'mon...