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DESIGNER:

Pete Cardoso

VENUE:

Met Cafe

Providence

USA

SUBMITTED BY:

Pete Cardoso

2003-04-07 16:15:27

BANDS:

Spoon
Crooked Fingers

Spoon Poster - Met Cafe, Providence - Pete Cardoso

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RichieGoodtimes :

Total Kozik ripoff.

2004-08-17 12:42:17

ENothing :

Who is "Velvet Underground"?

2003-08-05 12:05:56

artboy :

nanna' posters always rock...there just ain't enough fruit in posters today.

2003-04-09 02:00:33

RichieGoodtimes :

This RISK game will happen. And I will win.
Much like Parker Lewis... Richie Goodtimes Can't Lose.
That's right. I've invoked the power of Parker Lewis.

2003-04-08 23:36:42

MURPHY :

Coming soon... Castle RISK-The Rematch :o

2003-04-08 19:06:37

MaximumFluoride :

That sounds about right to me Murph.

2003-04-08 18:56:44

MURPHY :

My prediction for the RISK match: Richie(dizzy with power and Smirnoff Ice), starting to see his forces dwindle, commands Cochina to eat all the peices of Jermaine's army thereby forcing him to concede. Richie is disqualified for 'cheating'leaving Dusty and Kozik.Since Frank sits around thinking about military stategy all the time, he dispatches Dusty at last in a hard fought battle.

2003-04-08 18:53:03

Dusty! :

jermaine you are going down, my south of the equator attack has never been out manuvered. like a black cloud my armies will sweep across the board crushing until there is nothing left to crush.

2003-04-08 18:35:54

Jermaine :

You guys decide. Im game. Meanwhile, the creepy white guy is singing on American Idol right now...

2003-04-08 18:04:59

DWITT :

I ate the brown banana a mentioned a few dozen posts ago.
It was really soft.

2003-04-08 18:03:20

RichieGoodtimes :

I accept your challenge Jermaine. What are the Stakes?
You, me, Kozik and Dusty.

2003-04-08 18:02:20

Jermaine :

Taking a break from work because youre ALL fools. I am a master at RISK. Period. You will lose. The continent you must obtain first is Australia: right on Richie. Only one territory of defense. Next is Africa: 3 strong armies you must have. Then North America, cause theres only 3 borders to defend and you get more additional troops. Its even better if you get South America too, cause thats your only direct immediate threat if you got North America. Europe and Asia are too hard to protect...so I let the other fools have them. 'Ukraine'...heh :roll:

2003-04-08 18:00:23

stinkbait :

sorry man I couldn't come up with any clever way to push my way into the conversation.
I'll destroy some fools at Risk. I just need to read the rules again.
Plus Murphy said my name I felt obligated. I'm going home now to print...

2003-04-08 17:28:09

RichieGoodtimes :

Uhh...Peveto...Jackass.
We decided to talk about RISK instead. Get with the program.

2003-04-08 17:25:08

stinkbait :

concepts suck, clip art sucks. Spoon rules! Hand draw it you designer sissies!
I like Pete alot and Spoon but as far as I can tell there is no connection between the image, Warhol, VU or Spoon. If there is Pete, you have pulled out the most obscure one since AA's shirt or our piano one.
Wait... Pete do you know about "interview with Lou Reed" on the Drake Tungsten - "Clocking Out is for Suckers" cassette? If you do then this is GENIUS!

2003-04-08 17:19:48

RichieGoodtimes :

Priority One is always Australia. Control Australia early and you get 2 extra armies every turn. It only has one point of attack. 2 armies may see measly, but early in the game it can really make a difference.
South America is next in line in importance.
I will destroy you.

2003-04-08 16:31:05

Unitus :

kozik wrote: Chilly Willy lives at the North Pole.
i saw chilly willy ice cream treats at wallgreens last night. AWESOME.

2003-04-08 16:07:08

Dusty! :

the should be "can attack" not "cant"

2003-04-08 16:04:58

Dusty! :

clearly you gentlemen need a few lessons on the game of risk, the real keys to this game are the continents of Africa and South America (i am setting these keys out under the understanding that we are playing on an original risk board and not the new fangled ones with the additional bridges.) Africa and South America connected by the "bridge" form a super continent that cant attack North America, Europe and Asia. The real key here is to secure and fortify the northern sections of South America as this will be your only attacking point but also your main defence with North America. Generally players who aim to obtain control of north america will fortify one territorry in the southern section, on territory bridged to asia and then really push to fortify many countries in the eastern portion in order to annex Europe. With this flaw any player possesing strong numbers in South America can easily dominate the board.
whoa
whos bringing risk to FS3?

2003-04-08 16:03:43

piemel :

i remember playing risk in the old days... game would last for days since we created some extra rules. our mum's would kick us out of the house and we would carry the whole board with all the pieces on it to the next place to continue the game

2003-04-08 15:54:18

piemel :

here comes the Dutch army!
umm
that didnt sound so good
still, I'll blow up the dikes and flood your armies!!

2003-04-08 15:52:13

RichieGoodtimes :

Hey Rene. Wanna get your ass kicked at RISK?

2003-04-08 15:49:56

RichieGoodtimes :

We need atleast one more person. I can't stand those fucking neutral armies in the 2 player game.

2003-04-08 15:46:56

kozik :

bring it on bitch.

2003-04-08 15:45:57

RichieGoodtimes :

The Ukraine? Are you mad?
I'll destroy you.

2003-04-08 15:44:41

rockologist :

risk is for kids. i hear axis and allies is where it's at.

2003-04-08 15:43:50

MaximumFluoride :

or Chess.

2003-04-08 15:43:41

MaximumFluoride :

I have never played Risk.

2003-04-08 15:43:30

kozik :

the Ukraine is the key. nope..salmonella meatloaf from Ted's deli did it. I woke up, thought I was having a fucking stroke. couldnt stop shivering. I still feel like I have a bag of cement in my intestines. my kidneys ache.
waaah.

2003-04-08 15:43:24

RichieGoodtimes :

You're a fool.
I challenge you to a game of RISK at Flatsock 3.

2003-04-08 15:42:58

rockologist :

i start with africa or asia.

2003-04-08 15:41:56

RichieGoodtimes :

Always take Australia first and Hold it. Amass large armies there while working on South America. Only a fool would attempt to hold North America, Europe or Asia early in the game.

2003-04-08 15:41:23

needles :

you ate indian food again, didn't ya gramps?

2003-04-08 15:41:17

kozik :

knight to queens bishop 7. I rule at risk. I once made a risk board and extra rules that included navy's fighting over the oceans.
fuck. my kidneys are killing me. I got food poisoning last night, was up all night with the sweats, cramps and poisoned ass. I'm still groggy.
I LOVE YOU ALL.

2003-04-08 15:39:20

rockologist :

huh? male chest?

2003-04-08 15:38:31

RichieGoodtimes :

Mail Chess.

2003-04-08 15:37:26

rockologist :

i'll play you risk.

2003-04-08 15:37:24

kozik :

are we playing Stratego?

2003-04-08 15:36:49

RichieGoodtimes :

That's not even a very good drawing of a banana.

2003-04-08 15:36:34

rockologist :

it's our battle now, goodtimes. trying to read your comment just crashed my browser.

2003-04-08 15:36:22

kozik :

Battle? I assume you have girded your loins in preparation.

2003-04-08 15:35:48

kozik :

Chilly Willy lives at the North Pole.

2003-04-08 15:35:19

RichieGoodtimes :

Stay out of this Frank. This is my battle!

2003-04-08 15:34:59

RichieGoodtimes :

Don't tell me to chill out. I'll let you know when I'm ready to chill out.
Why don't you chill out?

2003-04-08 15:34:32

kozik :

IT RULES

2003-04-08 15:34:29

peter cardoso :

Look everyone needs to chill out a bit. This was just a concept an idea. IT WAS meant to be a direct copy of the original except i added the sticker. It's funny, it makes you go "oh I'v seen that before but wait there's that cute sticker I see on all my banannas". Thats ALL I'm not making a reference to VU spoon, nothing. It's a concept that was used to advertise. Would I use this as a cover, no, print a zillion, no. There were so few made it would be a waste of time to make a big deal out of this. So Don't sweat it people, it was a fun concept and i had fun doing it, so give me a break. For the record my favorite Spoon poster was done by AA, that was awsome!!

2003-04-08 15:28:50

Dan Apparatus :

artificial banana flavoring is the shit.

2003-04-08 15:21:12

Platinum Rich :

has anyone tried that new bananna snapple? i've had at least a case in the last three days. damn good.

2003-04-08 15:14:16

art chantry :

that's not for me to judge. i'm talking about multinational corporations and heavily funded institutions who go to great lengths to protect their established trademarks.
have you ever checked out trademark law? yeesh!
metallica might actually get nasty. don't know, and don't wanna know. lifting metallic's lp art for a spoon poster is a crummy idea.

2003-04-08 15:12:50

Dan Apparatus :

I hear ya, Art.

2003-04-08 15:10:28

Dan Apparatus :

Okay, what if this was the Master Of Puppets album cover and instead of Metallica it said Spoon.
That's still iconic but it's not considered the "high art" that the Warhol is. Would that make it different/less offensive?

2003-04-08 15:09:33

art chantry :

dan -
i agree, conceptually similar and even directly copycatted creative work has been done time and time again without problem (for instance look at my 'career' - from BOTH sides of that concept). i'm not saying this poster concept, however weak and direct it might be, is a BAD concept. that's not my point. what i'm saying is that if you are going to poke sticks at corportae monsters, be careful which corporate monster you poke at. this is such a direct lift (do the shadows on the banana match?) of such a famous 'trademarked' image that to even attempt to do this without edotorializing a least a LITTLE is like giving donald rumsveld a swift kick in the nuts ("it's for art and politics!"). it's all going to depend on how pissed he gets and whether or not his lawyers on staff (constantly trying to drum up billable hours to justify their keep) feel they have the time and decide to make a pint to curry favor with their client. it has nothing to do with good/bad, right/wrong, just/unjust. it has to do with RISK. this one is a BIG risk.
i, for one, have worked very hard to avoid leaving my fate in the hands of sleeping cranky monsters.

2003-04-08 15:07:40

Dan Apparatus :

I wish I was smart enough to have intended that be a pun.

2003-04-08 15:06:37

Dusty! :

further more, might i add that, why put such an iconic image on the front that is an icon for a specific band/time etc... i mean i look at it and is says "VELVET UNDERGROUND" it screems velvet underground... it doesnt say oh SPOON! it doesnt make me think of spoon at all, and why would it? its VU

2003-04-08 15:05:13

Danny F. Criminal :

a lot of bananas on comment page. Feel like in jungle.

2003-04-08 15:00:41

rockologist :

hey murphy-remember: blood in, blood out.

2003-04-08 14:58:58

Dusty! :

"I can't believe that conceptually similar work (aping famous artwork) hasn't been done time and time again without trouble."
is that a pun?

2003-04-08 14:58:54

RichieGoodtimes :

I've never heard them but I bet that I would not enjoy Spoon at all.
"Hi. We're Spoon. Enjoy our wuss rock stylings."
That's what the name Spoon makes me think.

2003-04-08 14:58:53

gun sho :

i've met Pete before, he's a cool guy. my opinion on this poster has nothing to do with my opinion of Pete. It doesn't sit right with me. I'm not sure why, maybe it's the music to music thing that Dusty mentioned.
the simplicity of the original Warhol work is what made it great. This is pretty much a direct copy of something totally iconic. It's simplicity carries over to this work but because of that, I can only think of the VU. I guess, my problem is that it seems unimaginative in that in order to work, something ironic needs to be taking place. like a bite out of the bananna, or the image as a big yellow dick or something, or even a spoon. To just simply take one idea and place it in a barely disimilar context just doesn't fly with me.
my two cents, that's all.

2003-04-08 14:57:40

rockologist :

yeah, concepts are awesome. thinking RULES! does the clip art wizard have starts in his eyes?

2003-04-08 14:56:00

MURPHY :

"illustrators...pshaw."
You said it. Losers :x
I'm going to beg Peveto to let me join his design gang.

2003-04-08 14:54:48

needles :

the only time i ever use a spoon while i'm eating a banana, is when i also happen to be cooking my smack.

2003-04-08 14:51:48

RichieGoodtimes :

Does anybody else like concepts? I like concepts.

2003-04-08 14:50:46

DWITT :

yup. Call me the Clip Art Wizard.

2003-04-08 14:48:21

rockologist :

illustrators...pshaw.

2003-04-08 14:47:14

Dan Apparatus :

I can't believe that conceptually similar work (aping famous artwork) hasn't been done time and time again without trouble.
Does this cross the line because it's music-to-music?

2003-04-08 14:46:23

DWITT :

Maxflo- there is nothing entertaining about illustration. Yawn.
:wink: :lol:

2003-04-08 14:45:42

brian kroeker :

ahh, that last comment was a response to goodtimes' comment. just to clarify. sometimes art sneaks his 2 cents in there just before you press the 'add' button... :)

2003-04-08 14:42:37

brian kroeker :

you said it!

2003-04-08 14:38:35

art chantry :

some folks who might be interested in this poster:
1) the warhol foundation 2) polygram 3) lou reed
all these folks are well-known for their altruism and support of the arts in all of it's interesting permutations, especially copyright infringement. (note: this is sarcasm)
look, friends. there is a very simple rule of thumb when it comes to keeping yourself out of copyright infrngement trouble: if there is the slightest doubt that you are crossing the line, don't do it. simple
this crosses the line for several litiginous and nasty organizations and individuals who love squishing little folks under their heels.
i hope none of them ever see this poster.

2003-04-08 14:38:06

RichieGoodtimes :

Somebody shuld just break down and do a spoon poster with a mutherfucking SPOON on it.
Damn it stop dicking around.

2003-04-08 14:37:38

MaximumFluoride :

Ah... I feel another clip art vs illustration thing coming. It's been a while. It'll be entertaining for all of the newer people.

2003-04-08 14:36:14

Dusty! :

the thing is ive seen with my own 2 eyes people get crusified on here for using imagery that is much more relevant to the band than this piece is.

2003-04-08 14:08:32

Casey Burns :

pete cardoso is awesome. lighten up and let him have some fun.

2003-04-08 14:04:09

philaarts.com :

man..
gets ugly at times. if the parties liked it, which they did, cool.

2003-04-08 13:45:00

DWITT :

I've got a brown banana for a snack today.

2003-04-08 13:17:19

Dusty! :

but what is the reference in reference too?

2003-04-08 12:16:41

Dan Apparatus :

I don't think this is the first time that someone has ripped off a famous album cover for their own use.
The reference is all it means.
At least he got the "SPOON" type right.

2003-04-08 12:13:32

brian kroeker :

best spoon poster ever: http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=8747

2003-04-08 12:08:56

Dusty! :

not if i put a sticker on him and used him for a bright eyes poster he wouldnt.

2003-04-08 12:01:24

standard :

I'll have you know that Eddie could be so tall he loomed menacingly over drumsets and entire stages. Don't you dare call him a "little guy". He'll totally kill you.

2003-04-08 12:00:27

Dusty! :

yup, as long as the band sounds nothing like iron maiden and you add a sticker to Eddies for head. Thats that little guys name right?

2003-04-08 11:58:51

Ewing :

Like....IRON MAIDEN? Dusty! 2003-04-08 11:53:02 so you can do that? just scan some iconic album cover, put a stick on its fruit put a new band name on it and bang you got a poster?

2003-04-08 11:56:54

Unitus :

yup.

2003-04-08 11:56:19

seripop :

lame.

2003-04-08 11:55:38

Unitus :

yeah. you can.
it's not a good or smart or creative practice to just rip off an album cover you like for a "new" design...but we're looking at proof that you can.

2003-04-08 11:54:56

Dusty! :

so you can do that? just scan some iconic album cover, put a stick on its fruit put a new band name on it and bang you got a poster?

2003-04-08 11:53:02

Unitus :

what's not to understand?
he admitted he just lifted the vu's album cover... that's it. end of story.
he's not making a statement, relating vu to spoon or anything. he just appropriated it.

2003-04-08 11:51:03

seripop :

the band loved it and he made money case closed nothing to understand i still don't get it either

2003-04-08 11:48:43

Dusty! :

i still dont understand.

2003-04-08 11:46:02

seripop :

spoon sound notting like vu i don't get it. um yeah

2003-04-08 11:39:39

peter cardoso :

It's just a play on the image I included the chiquata bananna sticker on it (which the original does not have) it has the info inside the sticker. jezzzz the band got it right away and loved it. they Even deemed it the best spoon poster ever. This is all about an idea and it went over extreamly well in every way,got attention, helped sell out the club, band loved it, I made money. Job done, case closed. Have a nice day

2003-04-08 11:24:17

art chantry :

what's missing is the pink banana that was underneath. that's what made this classic. peel-off rules...

2003-04-08 10:33:40

brian kroeker :

it took me a while to 'get' AA's 'shirt' poster... so maybe I'll be listening to spoon one day and hear a previously unheard reference to A) Bananas B)Warhol C) V.U. or D)Plagarism

2003-04-08 10:10:08

Tenebrini :

Spoon that is...

2003-04-08 10:09:20

Tenebrini :

I love the Velevet Underground but hate Andy Warhol. Funny how that works. Well I don't really hate HIM, I just think he's over rated.
Is Soon like VU in some way?

2003-04-08 10:08:47

Dusty! :

yeah i feel like im missing something, i know spoon, but im thinking "maybe" there is something i dont know....

2003-04-08 10:08:01

brian kroeker :

lino: i don't think this is promoting ban(n)anas... not sure why the warhol ripoff... whats the connection to spoon??

2003-04-08 10:06:43

Dusty! :

i dont get this at all. how is this relevant to spoon?

2003-04-08 10:01:48

LINOTYPE :

Bad rip-off. That bannana does give a large amount of corporate money to support our "war". I gave up bannanas, though still have to pay taxes, which subsidises the bannana plantions in South America which in turn pay donations to our government to fight wars as long as they are out of it. Enjoy yer' bannana!....

2003-04-08 04:17:51

MaximumFluoride :

I love Cardoso, but I hate the Velvet underground.

2003-04-08 03:25:58