carson's stuff lives on in every student/fresh-outta-school 'designers' portfolio that comes through my office. it's pretty sad. but also encouraging, because if the schools aren't teaching people how to think for themselves, I'm gonna have a job for a looooonnngg time!
I'd love to get my hands on the bastard that came up with the "numbers as letters" thing (3=E, 1=I, 2=Z, all that crap). Annoying and cheeky and misused. Though I can't fathom if there's a right way to use em.
now that everybody's had their fun, i just want to add that nobody 'ripped off' anybody. if you read my longwinded comment, i wasn't even talking about ripoff, i was talking about language. when you do this stuff well, it becomes part of our shared language of pop culture. the fact the he made something look like mine (it wasn't EXACTLY the same idea) was because i managed to connect out there on this level that fit right in. THAT'S when i know i'm doing my job well.
and to add to fuss, i want to point out that visualante makes some mighty fine images - he's got a rather nice illustration style that i think will do him nicely - especially as he gets more comfortable with it. to be honest, i really do think he could do more with his typography. perhaps do a little research on some famous old guys like herb lubalin or lou dorfsman. or, better yet, look long and hard at those old seattle punk posters i've been slapping up. the one thing that differentiated seattle posters from the stuff created elsewhere (now this is an observation open to lotsa debate) is some lip-smackin clever, even downright good type ideas and usage.
KJ: i know what you mean about edmonton... i just thought it would be funny if he was from there... now Winnepeg! That's a city. My buddy Jeff moved out there last year and he claims he's now the kingshit screenprinter in town. He just ran a Propaganda Poster workshop... know him?
speaking as someone who has unfortunately spent time in edmonton, canada... i think visualantes poster works for the crowd and bar and band. design is regional. that poster suits edmonton and probably suits seedys. its not like edmonton is going to be the hotbed of new and orginal cutting edge graphic design and music.
i just want to say that visualante sucks.
more for his attempt at witty retorts than for his design. But in my opinion (which dosn't mean much because my new posters have 4 comments while this one has 42) .. the design is weak, boring, and effortless . You'd think after 30 posters his stuff would be getting better than this. I just think it's funny that instead of just defending his stuff he is bashing seripop, who is 10 if not 20 times more "fresh" than he is.
there is nothing to battle
this stuff is not interesting or creative at all
buddy's retorts are witless.
frankly if someone calling himself a "graphic designer" whis this stuff as his portfolio thinks my work is shit then good.
guys like this are like flies.
it's not like they are competion or collegues.
too many talented peeps on here with great posters to really waste more time on this.
Oh man, did you just call me Hon?
Really you get paid by someone for that stuff. I should get myself a can of silly string and some baby shit and see if I can't make a record company happy to sell my stuff.
This is fun. I hope you all keep bashing the shit outta my stuff. At least your looking at it. Which is exactly what they are designed for...
yes my work and the fact that i get hired by record companies bands and promoters all over canada andthe usa DOES speak for itself.
u just keep doing stuff for seedy's ok?
The interlocking 'E's on the breeders poster made sense - they were copulating.
the interlocking 'E's here are not interlocking, and do not really make sense.
I can't figure out how you would interlock E's in the word EMINEM.
And richie, i think Art hopes if he ignores you, you will go away.
Listen jackass, I never said my posters were better than anyone elses. Also, I would never go to someone elses posters and tell them their work is shite (In your case, your work speaks for itself).
And, no shit, not everything was done in design b4. I know that.
Lots of designers look back or have mentors whose style they emulate until they themselves originate their own.
I may have emulated a part or even some parts of other peoples work in mine. So?
If Art Chantry wants his EE's back he can ask me.
i'm sorry brah
your work is sooooo obviously WAY better than mine.
why this very poster is GREAT!
and no, not everything in design was done before.
there are those who CREATE and INOVATE and those who follow.
I was wrong... I saw that Breeders poster along time ago.
Oh well. Sorry Mr. Chantry. It wasn't like I stole it directly from you. I just forgot you had used it.
Didn't mean to rip you off by anymeans. I like your stuff, always have.
Everything in design was done by someone else b4, so maybe somewhere through the ages you saw it done (the EE's) somewhere and liked it as well.
As for Seripop, I wouldn't talk about others people art being clunky there bud. I have seen your work. I have made posters with puke myself. Never tried to make anyone like them.
this summer huh?
like after u saw this one http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=8459 here on gp?
sounds like visuante needs a serious education in what's what.
and IMHO this poster and all the others are pretty weak.
it has the inverted es that art started but the placement is clunky and not organic.
doesn't really work at all.
Rockologist and Art,
How can someone who has no posters on a site claim to have started a trend in design. The EE's that Rockologist is complaining about, i have been using since last summer.
We have been messing around with the logo and type treatment since the place opened. The elephant (Not clipart by the way) is the only thing that remains constant in the posters. I have two or three different type treatments that I use right now for the name Seedy's.
If you don't like the EE's that's fine, when you start posting your own crap, maybe your coments will carry more weight with me.
Thanks for viewing the posters.
art- i see exactly what you're saying. if you look back at graffit's history, i guess it's similar. like, one day some guy started using arrows. then some more people started using them. they became a staple. same thing with quotation marks. i wonder how those originators felt about that?
rockologist - when i was younger, i used to see people take my little experiments and ape them for all they were worth. so, i'd keep coming up with new ideas - again, the copycats. (funny, those folks just made me better at coming up with new ideas just to stay ahead. unfortunately, they got the money. what's that line about you can tell the trailblazer by the arrows in his back?)
but then, if i ever accused anybody of copycatting, most of them (except the insidious few who truly copycatted) didn't know what i was talking about. they were doing "cool" shit. that's all. what the hell was i talking about? they didn't know who i was, know what i did, or know my work in any way, yet there it was plain as day in their stuff. it was then that i began to see what was actually going on. i had tapped into the great truth behind graphic design - it was a subversive pop language form. in essence, i had coined 'words'. those words became popular vernacular, or slang. as i progessed, i began to very self-conciously watch how "words' i had 'coined' quickly drifted into the cultural dialog. with the help of a few friends, we began to track and trace how it traveled. after awhile, we began to do it on purpose, just to watch it go. it was particularly powerful during the "seattle scene" days. you could literally fart and the whole word would fart in unison response.
so, it's not copycatting or "ripoff". i's hitting the mark dead on, if you know what i mean. it's what i strive to do with my work now. have for years. throw it out there and watch it go off and become a new entity. spooky, but fun.