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2003-04-02 21:31:34
Whitey Houston
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Whitey Houston Poster - Seedys, Edmonton - Visualante

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whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   that's my fucking face   2008-05-20 23:31:48
battlethemnowSend battlethemnow a message :   ah, so this is the thread...   2005-06-24 08:38:47
Raymond BiesingerSend Raymond Biesinger a message :   ...And now, after having seen colour versions of every one of these in the rafters of the club, I confess: I'm a giant ass.
  2004-01-04 02:23:28
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   umm... except Ray   2003-05-12 11:11:17
whiteyhoustonSend whiteyhouston a message :   font snobs.. all of you.. FONT SNOBS   2003-05-12 11:10:19
Raymond BiesingerSend Raymond Biesinger a message :   Despite having lived in Edmonton forever, I've never seen a colour Visualante poster... I think he's colouring after the fact. This leaves me feeling creepy. Is that wrong?   2003-04-20 23:12:32
standardSend standard a message :   In my mind I've decided that David Carson and Carson Daly are really the same person. It takes less effort to dislike them that way.   2003-04-04 08:11:58
brian kroekerSend brian kroeker a message :   carson's stuff lives on in every student/fresh-outta-school 'designers' portfolio that comes through my office. it's pretty sad. but also encouraging, because if the schools aren't teaching people how to think for themselves, I'm gonna have a job for a looooonnngg time!   2003-04-03 15:18:07
seripopSend seripop a message :   i'll fight david his stuff sure didn't stand the test of time. meh   2003-04-03 15:13:18
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I'd like to go a couple of rounds with David Carson. Where do we sign up?   2003-04-03 15:11:58
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   standard - yeah, you don't seem like a big fan-type of david carson.
he'll fight ya!!!! he'll fight ya right, now!!!!!
  2003-04-03 15:10:09
standardSend standard a message :   I'd love to get my hands on the bastard that came up with the "numbers as letters" thing (3=E, 1=I, 2=Z, all that crap). Annoying and cheeky and misused. Though I can't fathom if there's a right way to use em.   2003-04-03 15:08:31
kozikSend kozik a message :   cunieform   2003-04-03 15:05:10
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   now that everybody's had their fun, i just want to add that nobody 'ripped off' anybody. if you read my longwinded comment, i wasn't even talking about ripoff, i was talking about language. when you do this stuff well, it becomes part of our shared language of pop culture. the fact the he made something look like mine (it wasn't EXACTLY the same idea) was because i managed to connect out there on this level that fit right in. THAT'S when i know i'm doing my job well.
and to add to fuss, i want to point out that visualante makes some mighty fine images - he's got a rather nice illustration style that i think will do him nicely - especially as he gets more comfortable with it. to be honest, i really do think he could do more with his typography. perhaps do a little research on some famous old guys like herb lubalin or lou dorfsman. or, better yet, look long and hard at those old seattle punk posters i've been slapping up. the one thing that differentiated seattle posters from the stuff created elsewhere (now this is an observation open to lotsa debate) is some lip-smackin clever, even downright good type ideas and usage.
  2003-04-03 15:02:03
KJSend KJ a message :   i dont know anybody. that sounds interesting though. winnipeg is way more lefty and political than calgary. i love old winnipeg bands like swallowing shit and red fisher and the bonaduces.   2003-04-03 15:01:08
scrojoSend scrojo a message :   stoked!!.....i really have no interesting opinion to add to this debate but....i'm interlocking 'EE's the first chanche i get. ther a band called the 'peeved seedy breeders' ??
  2003-04-03 15:00:08
brian kroekerSend brian kroeker a message :   KJ: i know what you mean about edmonton... i just thought it would be funny if he was from there... now Winnepeg! That's a city. My buddy Jeff moved out there last year and he claims he's now the kingshit screenprinter in town. He just ran a Propaganda Poster workshop... know him?   2003-04-03 14:59:08
KJSend KJ a message :   brian- he's from winnipeg.
i dont mean to cut apart edmonton, but seriously- if its anything like calgary its just quick black and white flyers to get the word out and not much else.
  2003-04-03 14:56:30
brian kroekerSend brian kroeker a message :   KJ wrote: "its not like edmonton is going to be the hotbed of new and orginal cutting edge graphic design and music."
umm, isn't El Negro from edmonton?
  2003-04-03 14:48:31
KJSend KJ a message :   speaking as someone who has unfortunately spent time in edmonton, canada... i think visualantes poster works for the crowd and bar and band. design is regional. that poster suits edmonton and probably suits seedys. its not like edmonton is going to be the hotbed of new and orginal cutting edge graphic design and music.   2003-04-03 14:45:23
kozikSend kozik a message :   They invented all this alphabet crap. fuck letters. all my new work will be mimed. interlock that mofo.   2003-04-03 14:44:34
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   shit i miss all the good battles.   2003-04-03 14:41:33
c0metSend c0met a message :   He!   2003-04-03 14:38:39
needlesSend needles a message :   WOW...Pheonicians! That's a big word there Sparky! impressive.   2003-04-03 14:37:28
kozikSend kozik a message :   the Pheonicians are pissed.   2003-04-03 14:34:04
GoettingSend Goetting a message :   i just want to say that visualante sucks. more for his attempt at witty retorts than for his design. But in my opinion (which dosn't mean much because my new posters have 4 comments while this one has 42) .. the design is weak, boring, and effortless . You'd think after 30 posters his stuff would be getting better than this. I just think it's funny that instead of just defending his stuff he is bashing seripop, who is 10 if not 20 times more "fresh" than he is.   2003-04-03 14:30:44
seripopSend seripop a message :   there is nothing to battle this stuff is not interesting or creative at all buddy's retorts are witless. frankly if someone calling himself a "graphic designer" whis this stuff as his portfolio thinks my work is shit then good. guys like this are like flies.
it's not like they are competion or collegues. too many talented peeps on here with great posters to really waste more time on this.
  2003-04-03 14:11:13
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   wonder if the PM battle has started.   2003-04-03 14:05:03
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   I'm just reading this stuff.
I'm looking at a Seripop poster above my drawing table.
  2003-04-03 14:02:44
VISUALANTESend VISUALANTE a message :   Oh man, did you just call me Hon? Really you get paid by someone for that stuff. I should get myself a can of silly string and some baby shit and see if I can't make a record company happy to sell my stuff.
This is fun. I hope you all keep bashing the shit outta my stuff. At least your looking at it. Which is exactly what they are designed for...
  2003-04-03 14:00:01
seripopSend seripop a message :   Visualante hon, yes my work and the fact that i get hired by record companies bands and promoters all over canada andthe usa DOES speak for itself. mmm hmm u just keep doing stuff for seedy's ok? ok. :wink:   2003-04-03 13:34:34
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   The interlocking 'E's on the breeders poster made sense - they were copulating.
the interlocking 'E's here are not interlocking, and do not really make sense.
I can't figure out how you would interlock E's in the word EMINEM.
And richie, i think Art hopes if he ignores you, you will go away.
  2003-04-03 13:33:38
dspringSend dspring a message :   Wasn't it originally RichEEGoodtimes?   2003-04-03 13:33:16
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Actually those EEs are mine now. I stole them from Art.
Pay attention.
  2003-04-03 13:31:13
philaarts.comSend a message :   nah.. in the start eminem had a logo with just 2 interlocking e's
just some useless info i have in my barren skull..
this guy called me a jackass i think :bang:
  2003-04-03 13:30:40
VISUALANTESend VISUALANTE a message :   Sorry I should explain... My last comments were a retort to Seripop's   2003-04-03 13:30:22
ENothingSend ENothing a message :   Giddyup!   2003-04-03 13:29:46
VISUALANTESend VISUALANTE a message :   Listen jackass, I never said my posters were better than anyone elses. Also, I would never go to someone elses posters and tell them their work is shite (In your case, your work speaks for itself).
And, no shit, not everything was done in design b4. I know that.
Lots of designers look back or have mentors whose style they emulate until they themselves originate their own.
I may have emulated a part or even some parts of other peoples work in mine. So?
If Art Chantry wants his EE's back he can ask me.
  2003-04-03 13:28:17
brian kroekerSend brian kroeker a message :   i think eminems logo just had a reversed 'e'. but i would be VERY surprised if art's poster was the first to exploit the potential interlocking of 2 uppercase 'E's   2003-04-03 13:28:14
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   but goodtimes ripped it before anyone else i can recall. one day, he'll get his props.   2003-04-03 13:25:12
philaarts.comSend a message :   pssst
eminem also had a logo awhile back with interlocking e's
  2003-04-03 13:24:02
perkinsSend perkins a message :   I'm just glad Art created art so I would have something to do   2003-04-03 13:22:56
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Yeah but not by Art.   2003-04-03 13:21:54
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   should i chastize you for it then, richie. cuz i will.   2003-04-03 13:21:45
philaarts.comSend a message :   VISUALANTE-
chloe is our goodwill ambassador shes from canada....
  2003-04-03 13:21:43
seripopSend seripop a message :   rgt- yr ripoff was well done, clever and acknowlegeded.   2003-04-03 13:20:57
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Man. I go and ripoff the interlocking EEs BLATANTLY from Art and he says nothing.
What the fuck?
  2003-04-03 13:19:26
seripopSend seripop a message :   i'm sorry brah your work is sooooo obviously WAY better than mine. why this very poster is GREAT! and no, not everything in design was done before. there are those who CREATE and INOVATE and those who follow.   2003-04-03 13:13:02
ENothingSend ENothing a message :   Yee-haw! It's on.   2003-04-03 13:07:16
VISUALANTESend VISUALANTE a message :   I was wrong... I saw that Breeders poster along time ago.
Oh well. Sorry Mr. Chantry. It wasn't like I stole it directly from you. I just forgot you had used it. Didn't mean to rip you off by anymeans. I like your stuff, always have.
Everything in design was done by someone else b4, so maybe somewhere through the ages you saw it done (the EE's) somewhere and liked it as well.
As for Seripop, I wouldn't talk about others people art being clunky there bud. I have seen your work. I have made posters with puke myself. Never tried to make anyone like them.
  2003-04-03 13:05:01
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   visualnte -huh?   2003-04-03 12:30:14
KJSend KJ a message :   i've seen whitey houston live. they're pretty decent.   2003-04-03 12:20:06
seripopSend seripop a message :   this summer huh? like after u saw this one here on gp? sounds like visuante needs a serious education in what's what. and IMHO this poster and all the others are pretty weak. it has the inverted es that art started but the placement is clunky and not organic. doesn't really work at all.   2003-04-03 12:17:22
ENothingSend ENothing a message :   Don't forget SARS!   2003-04-03 12:13:09
KJSend KJ a message :   language is a virus. design is a virus.   2003-04-03 12:10:52
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   awesome. :mrgreen:   2003-04-03 12:10:34
KJSend KJ a message :   hahahahah!   2003-04-03 12:08:21
VISUALANTESend VISUALANTE a message :   Rockologist and Art, How can someone who has no posters on a site claim to have started a trend in design. The EE's that Rockologist is complaining about, i have been using since last summer.
We have been messing around with the logo and type treatment since the place opened. The elephant (Not clipart by the way) is the only thing that remains constant in the posters. I have two or three different type treatments that I use right now for the name Seedy's.
If you don't like the EE's that's fine, when you start posting your own crap, maybe your coments will carry more weight with me.
Thanks for viewing the posters.
  2003-04-03 12:03:46
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   art- i see exactly what you're saying. if you look back at graffit's history, i guess it's similar. like, one day some guy started using arrows. then some more people started using them. they became a staple. same thing with quotation marks. i wonder how those originators felt about that?   2003-04-03 09:59:18
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   rockologist - when i was younger, i used to see people take my little experiments and ape them for all they were worth. so, i'd keep coming up with new ideas - again, the copycats. (funny, those folks just made me better at coming up with new ideas just to stay ahead. unfortunately, they got the money. what's that line about you can tell the trailblazer by the arrows in his back?)
but then, if i ever accused anybody of copycatting, most of them (except the insidious few who truly copycatted) didn't know what i was talking about. they were doing "cool" shit. that's all. what the hell was i talking about? they didn't know who i was, know what i did, or know my work in any way, yet there it was plain as day in their stuff. it was then that i began to see what was actually going on. i had tapped into the great truth behind graphic design - it was a subversive pop language form. in essence, i had coined 'words'. those words became popular vernacular, or slang. as i progessed, i began to very self-conciously watch how "words' i had 'coined' quickly drifted into the cultural dialog. with the help of a few friends, we began to track and trace how it traveled. after awhile, we began to do it on purpose, just to watch it go. it was particularly powerful during the "seattle scene" days. you could literally fart and the whole word would fart in unison response.
so, it's not copycatting or "ripoff". i's hitting the mark dead on, if you know what i mean. it's what i strive to do with my work now. have for years. throw it out there and watch it go off and become a new entity. spooky, but fun.
  2003-04-03 09:46:33
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   only on the west coast.   2003-04-03 09:32:10
standardSend standard a message :   is "dogg" an acceptable alternative?   2003-04-03 09:30:00
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   you have to spell it DAWG, or it's not cool.   2003-04-03 08:54:02
standardSend standard a message :   It's like how I call everyone "dog" now cos of American Idol.
Wussup, dogs?
  2003-04-03 08:42:37
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   yeah art,like slang. it's just weird to me because i've never really conscoiusly noticed it happen before. do you think that it's a good thing when tht happens? curious.   2003-04-03 08:41:40
perkinsSend perkins a message :   It's the little elephant that I'm sick of. Isn't that essentially clip art from Image Club?   2003-04-03 08:35:33
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   you try a little experiment and it becoms a goddamned fad. see, that's how design actually works, dude.   2003-04-03 08:33:43
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   enough with the damn 'E's already.   2003-04-03 08:28:55
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